Women need to shut up and sit down

Okay so is that why women are to be silenced due to shechainah?

Is that why women must sit separately and keep their heads covered?


sarc

reply to post by sarcastic


Women should be covered because of the fallen angels.
Their hair is there for a 'covering'.
During prayer.

Thats a point of view. In fact thats a bible verse written by somebody who wasnt Jesus.

So why do you simply believe somebody who wasn't Jesus or God Himself?

I dont.


sarc

Originally posted by Missing Blue Sky
reply to post by scientist

 

The Female in nature is not submissive. The female in nature is much more powerful than the male. It is the female who can bring forth life. It is the female who is the egg. The egg is the creative force in nature. The womb is the cycle that drives the force of nature. Men are reactive to these cycles, women are the creators. The female is the creator. The female, the earth, the solar system, the tides are all in communion, the male is merely reactive to theses things. The female is creation, nourishment, nurture and love. The male is force, competition, war and insecurity.

Missing blue sky,
I want to thank you for clarifying this for me. It made perfect sense to me today when the woman I am seeing tried to get me to fix the brakes on her van for her.
After reading your post I decided I did not want to transfer my insecuritys to her and went fishing instead. Didnt catch much so I came home and watched some television, videos, and then read a good book. Very glad you tuned me into my insecuritys so now I dont have to concern myself with transfering them in my ineptness to my girlfriend. Thanks for the heads up.

I feel very confident that being a talkative and assertive woman..not knowing when to shut up ..or even caring about it...that she will be able to talk her way through this repair leaving me more time to be slack and having a good time doing it. I am also certain that being the assertive talkative...non shutting up modern type woman so common today ...when the time comes she will be able to talk her way (Flashdance Me) through my brake repairs too.

Do you think it will be important to her when she works on hers and my brakes ...whether her hair is covered or uncovered.?? I'm sorry....I meant talk her way through these repairs.

Also..I promise I will be sitting, silent, seperate and slack, in airconditioned comfort,cell phone in one hand and remote controller in the other, while she unsubmissively talks her way through these repairs.

Thanks again,
Great post you made,
You might wanta to run for public office/president on a platform of Change.


Orangetom





[edit on 3-8-2008 by orangetom1999]

Originally posted by jakyll
reply to post by JPhish

 

Galatians 3:26-29

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Probably not literal enough for you right?

I've already said that we are not equal in body strength etc.But our brains are the same.

There have been many notable people with downs syndrome who have achieved wonderful things.

Jakyll,

From page 11 of this thread.

Quotes like this you are using look very good and can easily silence most believers not well versed in the Word. These believers are stilll on milk and not strong meat.

However...you are using phariseeism here in misquote, misrepresentation.

This verse from Galatians is used in speaking to believers in the church at Galatia. It is not to unbelievers. THis verse is also about being heirs to a promose...not human equality standards.
It is also saying that we as believers are "One" in Christ...not human values and thinking. We are one in Christ. You and others who put great emphasis on humanity use verses like this to teach and preach equality. This is exactly the tack the Pharisees took in counterfittiing the Olde Testament. We know this in particular in the verse concerning the Pharisees bringing the woman caught in adultery before Jesus.
You are following the same pattern here as did the Pharisees ...counterfitting.
This verse is about being one in Christ and heirs to the promise made way back in the Olde Testament to Abraham. ..not in Human equality or belief systems.

As I have stated in many places on ATS/BTS...those of us who know and are on strong meat ..and not milk......also know the name of the counterfitter...by name.

Thanks,
Orangetom



[edit on 3-8-2008 by orangetom1999]

Originally posted by orangetom1999


Do you think it will be important to her when she works on hers and my brakes ...whether her hair is covered or uncovered.?? I'm sorry....I meant talk her way through these repairs.

Also..I promise I will be sitting, silent, seperate and slack, in airconditioned comfort,cell phone in one hand and remote controller in the other, while she unsubmissively talks her way through these repairs.


[edit on 3-8-2008 by orangetom1999]

God, Orangetom, it seems that you two go your rounds on this issue quite often.....maybe you should teach her how to use the brakes more efficiently....seems to be tearing them up somehow. and, did I misread...you're thinking she should fix your brakes also....a very brave man you are....you planning on driving this car far afterwards? you're going about it the wrong way here....
ya see, this is what you do.....you decide her brakes need to be fix, you start fumbling around in your tools, tell her you don't have the tools you need.....go out and invest in a few hundred dollars in tools.....and then you get to tell her your broke and can't take her to where ever it is she wants you to take her to because you had to fix her brakes! then, you tell her kids that ya, they can use the tools.....as long as they put them back....this gives you a free pass not to be responsible for your tools yourself, since you can always blame it on the kids...
the end result....you wife or girlfriend has a nice stash of old and rusty tools stashed in the cellar that she's gathered from the four corners of the earth, and you have nice new, clean shiny tools everytime you work on your cars...
of course.......eventually, you will have condemned yourself to never having the option of taking the car to the machanic and paying him to do the brakes since you will be hopelessly in debt from buying all these tools...
but, well........what can I say....
hubby has the new tools.....waiting for him to fix the brakes......been weeks now.....oh, well....imagine it will be done before it starts getting colder and the tires seem more threatening to me than the brakes anyways.....
but, well...the money's sitting in the tools, so no money for tires..
luckily I don't drive too far anyways, huh?

reply to post by dawnstar


Dawnstar,

You are of course correct in that we seem to go around on this issue quite often.

It seems that by ignorance and default I have set myself up to be used misused and abused by knowing how to repair different things. Would that I was totally ignorant and useless in this arena...I would not be so wont to be "Victimized" in such a manner.
It seems that with the working philosophy of some women out here
a mans "no's" really mean "maybe" mean "yes." Sound familiar to you Dawnstar??

However you once again have a point in that I should teach her to use the brakes more effeciently. I have tried this but to no avail. My woman here is what I call in military terminology ....High speed , Low drag." Translate that ..Lead foot. Hence also the tendency to be hard on braking systems. She has this button on the steerig column with the label...AFTERBURNER on it. It seems that when we go out somewhere...I drive much to slowly for her. She desires that I too have such a aftermarket button installed on my steering column.

In truth Dawnstar..I dont even drive my vehicles all that much and I have three. I usually take my mopeds and scooter about town unless I am planning a big load..and then it is in my pickup truck. A most useful vehicle.
It seems we just differ in our basic working philosophy and approach.

However....I am not disposable and expendable in such a manner...to be cast aside on the road in order to get her back to the afterburner button so despirately needed to support such a working philosophy.
She really does need to take this to heart and be responsible for her own repairs. Not exepct to be flashdanced through these hurdles by someone else depriving themselves in order to sustain her prioritys.
When subjected to this philosophy...I tend to call this behavior ...abuse.

On the other hand...using such deception or ruse as you describe is not very palatable to me. I am not a big fan of my "no's " mean " Maybe" mean "yes." While I am prone to longsuffering and patience...even I have limits. I submit to you that this is probably one of the great failings among many of us men.

I think a woman should be mature enough to understand and conduct herself beyond her immediate needs and desires to be flashdanced through life on the RISK of others. Some people would call this equality.

OH..as to her fixing my brakes...the solution to this having learned by years of RISK...is to have her there in the drivers seat for the test drive.
RISK..real RISK gets one serious ....when one is at the tip of the spear so to speak. While she is taking this RISK I will be here suffering in submissive silence..food, drink, computer , remote controller, telephone and airconditioning.

However...having gone through all that as a post ...I have it on none other than the authority of a feel good emoting expert like Missing Blue Sky .....that men are insecurity. Therefore it is incumbent on me to conduct myself in like manner and become the Victim here. I have seen the LIGHT!!!!
Not wanting to suffer more "abuse" in this arena...and being beat up...tortured out in the hot sun.....getting dirty...breaking a nail et al...I have decided as much as possible to get out of the "flashdaning" occupation/career. I should have done this a long time ago. Equality is a wonderful concept.

Seriously Dawnstar...I do promise to be silent and submissive while she is doing these repairs...Sorry....I meant being assertive and talking her way through these repairs..on her and my vehicles. I will be here in airconditioned comfort with telephone , food , drink, and remote controller in hand...silent and submissive...while being flashdanced through these hurdles/difficultys.

Persons like Missing Blue Sky need to be proud of their acumen and intelligence. Hence my closing statement that they might want to run for public office/president on a platform of Change.
I am so grateful that they have shown me the LIGHT!!!

Thanks for your post and advice,
Orangetom



[edit on 6-8-2008 by orangetom1999]

reply to post by orangetom1999

It is also saying that we as believers are "One" in Christ...not human values and thinking. We are one in Christ.....This verse is about being one in Christ and heirs to the promise made way back in the Olde Testament to Abraham not in Human equality or belief systems.

To be one entity is to be equal.
If Jesus is not equal with God then they are 2 related entities,not one.
If we are not equal with Jesus then we are not one,we are 2.
If we are one then we will have the same human equality and standards,if we didn't then there would be strife and conflict,which means we wouldn't be one.

The quote itself says that all are equal,no matter their sex,their religion or their origin.Why? Because we are all children of God.Thats why God made a promise to Abraham that in his Seed all the nations of the earth would be blessed.




[edit on 6-8-2008 by jakyll]

reply to post by orangetom1999


Your logic about your girlfriends brakes reminds me of The Betty Crocker joke...

"A newlywed couple just moved into their new house.

One day the husband comes home from work and his wife says, "Honey, you know, in the upstairs bathroom one of the pipes is leaking, could you fix it?"

The husband just looked at his wife and said, "What do I look like, Mr. Plumber?

A few days went by, and he comes home from work and again his wife asks for a favor, "Honey, the car won't start, I think that it needs a new battery. Could you change it for me?"

"What do I look like, Mr. Goodwrench?" was his response.

Another couple of weeks go by, and it's raining pretty hard. His wife then finds a leak in the roof. She pleads with him as he's walking through the door. "Honey, there's a leak on the roof! Can you please fix it?"

He just looked at her and said, "What do I look like, Bob Vila?" and sat down with a beer and watched a game on tv.

One weekend the husband woke up and it was pouring pretty hard, but the leak on the roof was gone!

Speaking of leaks, he also went to take a shower, and he found that the one pipe behind the sink wasn't leaking anymore either.

His wife was coming home just then, and as she walked through the door, the husband asked, "Honey, how come there aren't any more leaks, and the car's running?"

She replied nonchalantly, "Oh, the other day I was picking up the mail, and I ran into one of our new neighbors, Jon. What a nice man. He came over and fixed everything."

"Wow, did he charge us anything?" asked the husband.

"No, he just said that he'd do it for free if I either baked him a cake or had sex with him." she said.

"Cool. What kind of cake did you make?" asked the husband.

"Cake? What the hell do you think I look like, Betty Crocker? "




Just remember... men are like busses, there's one every twenty minutes.

reply to post by yankeerose


You may enjoy this article. It explains the tone of your last post.
www.savethemales.ca...

The "tone" of my last post comes from 25 years experience of raising three kids in a secure, safe environment after watching their father throw his life away on alcohol and gambling. By the time I was 30 with three small children, I realized they needed a secure base on which to build their lives. That meant a home safe from forclosure, violence, plenty of good nutritional food, medical care, and an emphasis on education and spirituality. None of this was in their father's plans. I made this home. I raised these children. I provide for their safety and well being. It was a huge sacrifice of my hopes and dreams .... but they were and are my responsibility because they are my children. I did it ALL on my own... no child support or alimony. Why? Because he was more than happy to sign away the rights to his children in exchange for not having to support them.

Now I suppose I could have done it your way... but we would not have a house, and the kids would have been raised in an abusive environment, we would probably be living off of the county...

Some men do not deserve a loving home and family because they never grow out of the "toys" stage of their life. Oh, they want one, but they are not willing to do the homework it takes to raise a family.

So what have you done with your life? Are you responsible for anyone other than yourself? Or does your ego insist that you need to be given "power" in order to carry out your responsibility in this life?

Keep screwing around thinking you are special simply because you have a penis. Neglect your family and you will be replaced... and rightly so. Respect and power is earned... for every guy that feels trapped by his wife and kids, there is another man that is willing to step in and make a home and family out of your "leftovers".

And remember... Once you get past the used part, it's all new.

The "tone" of my last post comes from 25 years experience of raising three kids in a secure, safe environment after watching their father throw his life away on alcohol and gambling.

I should have guessed.. Woman are immune to these problems, right? Men are guilty of so many things through this same kind of chip on your shoulder type logic . This is the snapshot of men from your perspective. It makes sense to me now where your coming from.

reply to post by sarcastic

I read the bible too and what I see is there is a huge difference between what Jesus taught and what Pauls writings teach. Its like the New Testament has two mutually contradicting points of view.

Once I realized that then its easy to follow Jesus and let the church following Paul go.

Ditto! Ditto! Ditto!

There is so much information coming out as to the validity or lack thereof: of Paul. Also, so much info regarding the NT itself!

If we don't keep up with new enlightenment, we miss out on possible information that God is releasing! The problem with Christianity of today is that it is overall very uninformed. Most refuse to keep up with more recent data.

I do appreciate some of the Bible scholars that have come forward and are denouncing a lot of what religion teaches.

"Misquoting Jesus," a good book by Bible Scholar: Bart Ehrman.

reply to post by MatrixProphet


how about this one from the OT.

passage from Judges 11:31

“… whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house (Jephthah’s house) to meet me,… shall surely be the Lord’s …and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. V.34…and Jephthah came…unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him… v.39…and it came to pass… that her father… did with her according to his vow…”.

In other words he sacrificed his daughter

HERE is the link to more interesting info regarding the Old testament, And a very different message.

[edit on 6-8-2008 by Swingarm]

reply to post by jakyll


Jakyll,

The verse is about being one in Christ...not in human equality. No where in the Olde nor New Testaments does it instruct people to put emphasis on their human equality...or Human Virtues.

Also Jakyll...the doctrine is that Jesus the Christ for remission of sins ..saves..not us/we save. We cannot save.. He saves us by His Blood...meaning we are not equal with Him.

The quote itself says that all are equal,no matter their sex,their religion or their origin

The quote does not say we are all equal...it says we are one in Christ. In Him there is neither jew , greek bond, free, male nor female It is not about human equality. It is about Him and those who are His..purchased by His Blood..not human equality.

IF you are purchased by His blood you are one with Him..Not equal...but one with Him
If you are purchased by human equalty religions...you are not one with Him... and again..not equal.

Thanks,
Orangetom





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