Columbia brought down by a UFO weapon?

reply to post by Monsterenergy791


While that may be true. Why is it that so many people that claim they have the absolute smoking gun have some reason they can't show the evidence? Theres always some excuse yet they cry you gotta believe me!!

I'm familiar with this theory. I agree it is fascinating. Thanks for bringing it up and linking to it.

from the article, emphasis mine

Electrophysicists in the U.S. studying high altitude lightning feel there may be a connection but no thunder clouds are prevalent in California at the time to explain it.
The missing piece of the puzzle: A rare Solar Shockwave strikes the atmosphere at the same time the Shuttle is deorbiting.
Excess energy from the solar wind and/or shockwave somehow charges the ionosphere and causes the current sheet to drop to lower latitudes.

Lots of coincidences and unexplained occurrences "somehow" happening at the same time. I wasn't convinced, but this could be a valid explanation. We just don't know enough about what's going on up there yet. Maybe the Solar Shockwave was "somehow" generated by superterrestrials, if they exist.

Originally posted by Copernicus

It feels good to see the aliens push the US arrogance back where it belongs. I have no doubt they were warned in advance to not do whatever they were planning on doing, but ignored it.

You said this and you have the nerve to judge anyone else! You rejoice at the story of peoples deaths? You are one sick puppy Do you pull the wings off of flies also?

Originally posted by runetang
all i know is, uhhh folks, if that was an alien weapon, if it was, and it can't be a human made weapon b/c of its' speed, this whole "aliens vs humans" scenario will play out REAL fast..

The shuttle traveling at mach 18 is overtaken by something even faster than it which corrected itself in an instant after narrowly missing Columbia?

Whatever it was had to be at least mach .. pssh I dont know.. mach 30? 40? 100? Mach "We're f---ing dead?" ..

Right. Mach we are dead indeed. Interestingly it was destroyed with the first Israeli Astronaut in it, thus the first STAR OF DAVID to enter outer space evarrr on his suit, and the shuttle name was Columbia, the Babylonian Whore.

Oh me ohh my .. so much symbolism here it stinks prophecy.

Final warning, maybe?

If not, aliens definitely were trying to make us think some prophecy was being fulfilled.. downing our good ole' Babylonian Whore with little Ashkenaz man on it, who do they think they are?

Alternatively, if you think all of our leaders are all shapeshifting anunnaki reptilians from planet nibiru, who are in on secret Babylonian cults where people get killed like Bohemian Grove, perhaps one could think that the "Illuminati" shapeshifter reptilians shot Columbia down as a ritual sacrifice to Molokh, to symbolize the defeat of the Goddess Columbia by .. uh.. them .. or .. Molokh .. errr..

*looks over at sheet of paper that he's copying from*

Who writes this crap?

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people who are more intelligent then the men who wrote your bible. or the idiotic sheep that blindly follow religion and books based off what in todays world would be deemed as a psychotic episode. and the person would be locked behind bars the same as the guy who beleives hes a glass of orange juice

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reply to post by roadgravel


That's a great article, roadgravel, and more reasonable, in my opinion. While I, too, would like to see some better evidence of ETs and UFOs, period, I've yet to see anything about this particular incident to indicate an energy weapon.

Think about it: If ET has the technology to pay us a visit, do you really think their plasma ray gun is going to miss the shuttle, at first, then need to course-correct to connect to the target? I don't think so. Mach 18 would be nothing for a UFO, much less any weapons technology it would be carrying.

The purple corkscrew of electricity behaved just as the above article indicates, in that the shuttle became a lightning rod and found itself in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm open to further data and, should it be revealed, will gladly eat my words. The rest seems to be a bit dramatic.

namaste

reply to post by Copernicus


You know, I respect your posts, but, did you read the first line of mine?

What obvious conclusions did I make?

Why is it mind control if I have watched lightning and saw it last for prolonged periods of time and saw it in the strangest of patterns?

Why am I mind controlled if I disagree with someone's claim ... that I don't think they have verified it enough?

Where did I say I trusted NASA? I usually state elsewhere in other words, that, if NASA wishes to be trusted, then, they need to release ALL photos and videos it captured, unadulterated. I will easily claim that I don't believe their 'facts' about our solar system, other planets, etc.

Where did I say we are alone in this universe, galaxy, solar system?

Where did I say I don't think the U.S. government hides anything? In fact, they ADMIT they hide stuff, of course, for national security.

If they did a mass landing as you say, well, their tech would most likely be above ours, and, they would have little to worry about. They PTB wouldn't wait until they all landed, they would attack in flight, so, with their speed, no missile can catch them. Once they landed, they would have shown they were peaceful. They could, in fact, go somewhere that isn't as violent of a culture as the u.s.a. ... I think Japan would be more welcoming, in their culture, aliens usually are portrayed in a very positive light from the things I have watched.

I just want you to think a bit more, before jumping to conclusions about someone. What someone believes isn't always apparent by what they say when discussing a subject. To get to the whole truth, your mind must always be open to all possibilities regardless of personal opinion ... otherwise, you risk the chance of being biased and not interpreting all things fairly.

I understand your passion, it is a good thing, just a little better focus to the right things will make it more efficient. Mine is unfocused as well

I do suggest watching lightning storms more closely though ... of course, my local activity could be magnified since my state is a sliver of land surrounded by a large section of lang, a large gulf, and an ocean ... lots of interesting interactions I suppose, I am not meteorologist, but, I guess that would create different patterns than just being on an ocean coast, or just being in a plain (since FL is generally flat, though we do have some steep rolling hills, Kansas is FLAT).

Oh ... and no, I rarely watched the NASA channel when I had cable ... it was usually a bunch of kids shows that looked like they were filmed in the 80s. Not much interesting on it, so no subliminal messages programmed into my brain. In fact, I LOVED NASA as a child, wanted to go into space, but, I slowly faded away when I realized how little they do ... it wasn't exploration, it was like short trips to a lab. I would rather be exploring new worlds and such. Growing up in FL, our schools actually go outside for a launch and watch it go up. I saw the challenger explode with my own eyes. It was a sad time, and as a kid, I actually had a 'favorite' shuttle, it was Challenger. So I was quite saddened by it. I always thought they should have tried harder, and do more. Now it seems they are scared. Well, exploration comes at a price. We need true pioneers, not scared egotistical greedy boring whatevers. I think they are cancelling the shuttle because they already have better things that are going into space. There has been declassified craft that are claimed to go to the boundary of space for a very long time ... am I suppose to believe it stopped?



What I feel the real conspiracy is here ... with the shuttles ... is NASA. People, including myself, don't want the shuttles retired for some silly rocket ... it is like taking two steps backwards. What easier way in theory to get the public to want to retire the shuttle? Disasters. Make people fear putting them in space. The problem is, it isn't working. People realize that space flight is dangerous, so is strapping yourself to a skyscraper filled with explosives. They KNEW there was a problem. I think the astronauts themselves are going to be making decisions about whether they return or not ... after they inspect and decide if it is safe ... I know I wouldn't listen to some joker on the ground saying it is ok, trust me. If I saw a hole, I would repair it, or tell them to send a crew on another shuttle or capsule with a tile and repair it.

I have also always found it ridiculous that they don't have two shuttles prepared for launch at the same time. That way, if something was wrong, they could have another full crew up there immediately to assist.

Honestly, to me, the whole NASA program smells. I also think they need to seriously look at Venus as well.

Anyway ... that is what I think about the columbia disaster ... they may be responsible in some way for those astronauts' deaths ... negligence, stupidity, premeditation ... whatever. I highly doubt that if the shuttle can withstand plasma from re-entry, sonic boom, mach 25, that, a little bit of lightning would have cuased it ... nor does it makes sense they would intentionally land when they KNEW a burst of solar energy was headed that way at that time. Remember, they have satellites watching the sun at all times, they know when flares and such are coming our way.


But again, thank you copernicus for you comments, they are appreciated

Originally posted by jhamende
reply to post by Monsterenergy791

 

While that may be true. Why is it that so many people that claim they have the absolute smoking gun have some reason they can't show the evidence? Theres always some excuse yet they cry you gotta believe me!!

lets face it those that have these smoking guns are probably payed a visit by our goverment and told not to use this smoking gun they may have. lets face it the goverment tends to use force on those who thearten to blow the whistle on one of there dirty little secrets.

Where did NASA actually claim a 30 second lightning strike? This presenter is simply implying that based off of his statement of shutter speed from a camera (where's the camera, what model is it?) How about using a similar camera for testing and proving purposes?

As one of the posters stated about Florida, he is completely correct, lightning strikes can last for longer than most realize. It is also not abnormal for them to strike a same area over and over again. Lightning does not behave by any rules. There was even an account this past summer of a SCUBA diver being struck on his tank while bobbing on the ocean surface. Folks have been hit and electrocuted while stepping 15 feet out their front door to retrieve mail. There were higher and better electric conducting materials nearby, so why did the lightning single them out?

As of the strike near the Columbia, why has no one been discussing the possibility of a Plasma bolt? If the re-entry friction created gases hot enough, which also happened to build up within the uninsulated shuttle, this could produce Plasma. Not to mention that a Plasma Bolt could occur for any number of reasons, seeing as the Upper Atmosphere of Earth is still quite a mystery. Sprites, Jets, and Elves were not even proven until recently, and there has recently been talk of terrestrial lightning having effects thousands of miles into Earth's Radiation Belts.

excuse me friends, but the claim regarding a chain of photos covering 30 seconds of this is absurd on it's face

look at the one picture ... this could be genuine .. notice how the *shuttle* streak is in the whole frame and the *lightning* stationary .. this is about what you would expect in a time exposure of a few seconds ... however ..

... at the speed the shuttle travels, the frame PRIOR would show, at most the tip of the shuttle entering the frame, the frame prior to that would show nothing, being, as claimed 10 seconds or so earlier ...

... if there are 5 photos in sequence, how did the photographer track the shuttle at this apparent magnification ( 8x?, 12x?, 50x? ) ? .. and would not the *lightning* move from right to left across the frames ?

... well, it could have been 5 much larger stationary pictures cropped to show detail, realising it's impossible without a fixed stationary camera to have a clear 4-6 second exposure at even 8x magnification

.. but I'd still maintain, based on the thickness of the shuttle streak, that the shuttle would move completely though the field of (camera) vision in the claimed 30 seconds .. probably closer to 2 seconds

.. rather AMAZING that the photographer saw the shuttle coming, set up a stationary camera AHEAD of it's path AT MAGNIFICATION caught this event! ... even 1 or 2 frames!

.. *maybe* 5 frames of a high res stationary video, but that contradicts the 30 second claim ( maybe that's the disinformation part(?) )

.. assuming the picture posted is genuine, and is of the shuttle ( fairly big leap of faith to think so without timestamps and the photographer's testimony, IMO ) , it would appear to a natural phenom ...

.. if the shuttle is relecting sunlight to create it's *streak* , why cant we see the UFO shooting at it ?

What a disturbing thread. At first I thought this was some sort of terrible joke, until I read through some of the posts and realised people actually belived this rubbish! Destroyed by an Alien energy beam indeed!

Someone further up had posted that they are tired of being lied to by NASA. What if NASA aren't lying? Some people seem to have a real disturbing need to see ET influences everywhere.

nevermind - edited post...

[edit on 10/10/2007 by badw0lf]

The purple bolt of lightening that hit the spaceship was actually Scalar EM. Scalar EM is energy generated from decompressing time/ space to create a negative vacuum, hence it is called negative vacuum energy as well.

Certain countries such as Russia are allegedly sporting Scalar EM weapons already. Here's a link to some info about Scalar EM weapons...

www.tldm.org...


That's definitely worth reading

I think possibly an ET presence did blow up the shuttle. Either that or Russia. It would have to be one or the other most likely. Anyway this technology is based upon Nikolai Tesla's studies.

Originally posted by FreeThinkerIdealist
Honestly, to me, the whole NASA program smells. I also think they need to seriously look at Venus as well.

Of course NASA smells, it was created by Nazi scientists under 'Project Paperclip.'

A Nazi organisation in America. Nothing more to say really.

[edit on 10-10-2007 by Arawn]

I have to keep an open mind about this, i am a beliver in ET and know they are here in some form having witnessed an amazing object myself with witnesses, also it comes to mind about a UFO incident over turkey not long ago when a UFO was videoed destroying a meteorite then returning to space? i saw the video and read many witness testimonies who am i to call all those people liars? if someone knows of a link to that video it may allow others to see that these craft have these weapons..

Quite often I find the most logical, provable argument to be the real one.

In this case:

a) Columbia was brought down by a scaler weapon. There is no direct evidence such a weapon exists.

b) Columbia was shot down by a UFO. The evidence for this appears to be a photograph showing ionisation, possibly surrounding debris as the shuttle broke up:

en.wikipedia.org...:Columbia_02-01-03_-_0857_EST.jpg

c) The shuttle had a hole in one wing caused by the break-off of foam insulation foam during launch - a common occurance.

Only one of the above scenarios is repeatable and involves first-hand physical evidence.

In the interest of good research, I suggest proponents of theories A and B read the CAIB report and consider the evidence on offer. If, after that, you believe you're being lied to, then I suggest a similar amount of effort is put into validating alternative theories rather than relying on photographs that are hideously out of context.

The CAIB can be found here:

caib.nasa.gov...

Mark.

[edit - grammer corrections. I have a cold, give me a break here ]

[edit on 10-10-2007 by bohicaomnicrom]

UFO or not, this strange phenomenon should be investigated. Just my 2 cents.

PS: This is just a theory of mine so take from it what you will. Maybe the reason you can't see the UFO in the picture is because the UFO was traveling in space or the extreme upper atmosphere and the energy required to power the craft causes it to not show up in the visible light spectrum. Maybe if the camera had and IR lens something would have shown up.
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I would say most likely human tech. if anything.

Only once did I see the Grey's using there weapons and it was blasts of energy bolts. or not.

Ummmm from what I've seen out of the pictures and from what I've experienced in real life I'm gonna have to say I'm baffled. On one hand I've seen lightning that lasts for more then 5 seconds, but if you read into this it is only a residual light left over from the original beam. Lightning Facts! The other constant with lightning is that you need to be with in a certain parameter to be struck by lightning, go to high into our atmosphere and it's no longer lightning it's surface tension, or static shock. Static shock can either be met where the object hits the tension point or the object passes the tension point and the shock trials the object. So what height was the craft when it was struck, was it to high in the atmosphere to be lightning? Thats fact one needed to be found out. Go from there.

This photo also reminded me of something, a plasma or lightning globe. A simple device that can harness electricity heres an example just in case. Lightning Globe An at any rate if in fact this was a weapon I belive it would be more closely related to a tesla coil then anything else. But like I said first things first find out how high the ship was!!!