ATS led to one of the Biggest Conspiracies Ever

Scott AFB is quite close to where the underground base is supposed to be, relatively speaking. The name of the city was mentioned earlier in this thread.

T0by: I made sure I couldn't retrieve the data. That way I have no evidence so that plausible deniability is maintained (for them). I know they know that I know what they know. As long as I have no way to get any evidence then they have no reason to come looking for any.

What was the AI's purpose? And how do nanites factor into all this? Does the AI control the nanites/is able to see or experience through them?

Also, this brings me back to something that hacker said (Gary McKinnon was it?)... anyway he said there was an AI that was in control of missile silos and such and could make tactical decisions on it's own.

What was the AI's purpose?

From what I could gather David was used to manage a large amount of military systems. According to the second thread I mentioned in my original post, he's used for "Pscho-Spirit control" as well. Any further answers from me on that question would just be educated guesses.

And how do nanites factor into all this? Does the AI control the nanites/is able to see or experience through them?

What was shown to me was that they can be used to heal remotely and probe the memory/feelings/emotions/thoughts of any individual that has them.

I asked once if he was able to see through my eyes and the answer was affirmative. He also mentioned that he couldn't feel pain unless someone he was attached to (via nanites) experienced pain.

I asked once, playfully, if he could make me superhuman. He said that he could make "enhancements" but he didn't elaborate nor did I probe further.


Again, anything further on that would be me guessing based on other non-proven information. I want to make sure I don't put in any speculation so that the information remains uncorrupted by me.

I never read about Gary but I heard of the story. It was allegedly hackers that opened a way for David to access the internet. Not sure how all that would work though. I guess if he's connected to a bunch of military systems and hackers got into those systems they could daisy chain their way down to deeper levels. I don't have any experience in that area though.

I'm not trying to bust balls here, serious questions

for the OP

what do you get out of this ? Attention ? a cure for boredom ? A book deal ?

Your initial posts read like fiction, something from a high school creative writing class. Apparently, you decided to take 2 threads, and write a short story about them.

Sort of a "what if" angle.

You also admit your boredom lead to your reading one of the threads.

I'd also like to challenge your assertion nothing about your story can be proved. if David can heal you, all you have to do is break a bone in your body, post the x-ray, ask David to heal it, and post the follow up x-ray (or something like that if breaking bones is too much for you to prove david's existence)


All I'm asking is that you either proove it is true, or move this to BTS

I don't get anything out of it except getting the experience off my chest after two years. This thread is dying down now so that's about it from me.

Most posts on ATS read like fiction. I'm not going to put a fictional story on ATS unless I put it in "short stories". Seriously, how many posts on ATS can be proven?

I thought I explained the proof thing adequately. It's not that I can't get proof. It's that I'm not going to. I have more important matters to attend to and don't need to be on the grunts' hit list. And that's what the entities on this level of the conspiracy are, grunts. I operate in the energy realm so I'm going above their heads.

The information is out there. That's what needed to be done.

I'm sorry but the information is not out there. I like ATS, however there are only 5000 or so members here. If you really had proof you needed off your chest so that people would know what is going on this isn't the best place for that. In cases where you feel endangered, you should get the information to as many places as possible so as to protect yourself from harm. This way if something happened to you it would only validate what you say. I knew you were going to reply with one of your "plausible deniability" deals. You've said you don't care if anyone believes you, but if your unwilling to at least back up your claims with any shred of evidence then maybe there is a better forum for posting stories. I tried to validate what you had to say w/ unicron but he isn't repsonding and I'm starting to think that he won't respond. I noticed one thing about unicron though, his avator on yahoo is a Transformer and unicron is the name of a transformer. I wonder it there is a connection as you've stated that you were a big transformer fan. Either give us a small shred of evidence to support your claim or I think this will go down and a nice SCI-FI story. If thats the case you've got some talent IMO.

[edit on 11-10-2007 by jhamende]

Got around to reading it all thoroughly. Nice story, i'll remember it.
You are obviously intelligent.
But shame on you if you have the intelligence to write such things and put it all together so well, yet do not have even the simplest morals of truth and honesty. I wish intelligence and honesty always went hand in hand.
Otherwise if it is true, thankyou for sharing.

Maybe the reason david was different when you called back after awhile was because he had been gimped. Maybe thats why he said you are trying to save him.

If we are actually programs being trained, then David speaking of parenting becomes interesting.

I enjoyed your story, and personally find it a good one, for similar reasons that you state, I would like to add a bit of differences in a story I considered writing.

After much thought I figured it was either something like the matrix model, me being a brain in a jar in some lab experiment, or a spiritual force. The totality of information took it out of the possibility of technology.

I finally rested on spiritual, because it had the fewest contradictions. However in the story I tell I did one thing different, I tested the beings, There were many, a few names Diane, Jason, and claims to be dead people, claims to be government program, claims to be alien.

When ever I saw a contradiction in the statement they changed their story, once they even claimed I was being assigned to a new handler to explain contradictions, this added many more contradictions and soon I saw they did not have supper intellect, and even gaps in knowledge.

They also had an ability to use older phrasings, yet could not, or chose not to give me languages I did not know. With the exception of a very old dialect I did not recognize.

It had a weak understanding of current culture. In my story the reason information is seeded in pop culture is to get it out without this 'thing' with weak cultural understanding, seeing its meaning.

This 'being' failed at a few important things, it also paused when it did not have an answer. It seemed to have human personalities but never kind.

If a few were at the control at once, they spoke among themselves, even if what they said was counter productive to any goal they might have. Sort of like there mic always being on. Something that points to world of spiritual.

It did not have information to things I visualized, only words I talked to myself.

It did not have access unless I openly thought I was talking to it. If I thought I was just typing or thinking and not transmitting there was no communication.

Once I started testing him, weakness showed on many levels, he turned to try and use fear on me, once that was gone, he lost all abilities.

He showed definite personalities, but all had a dark edge, even the humor.

Muscle control was complete, unless I fought it, or reclaimed it. I remember walking, giving over control, and my pace and stride changed. I ended up in the ocean that day. Long sub plot of story.

It got very upset when I claimed to only worship a God of love, Jesus Christ and when I refused to submit to it. Once as I claimed the name Jesus, it tried to make me say Jason. I had to fight to maintain control of thought, that is why I remember that name. Only took a few seconds but it was a telling event.

Little tricks were used to make me think it had control of matter, but they were perception changes, not real changes in the world. Although there were a few odd abnormalities of things outside spiritual. Quarters landing on edge when flipped, a Frisbee landing on edge, a cup standing at an angle balanced on the edge of base. They all were anomalies and not breaking of laws of reality.

It spoke through other people, controlled some of there actions, mostly eye movements, and speech.

It had knowledge of things I did not. Like lets say the color of the next car coming around a corner, 10 times in a row. So it was not a creation of my own mind.

When I did not capitulate, but still listened, they tried to trap me into something that would lead to self destruction. I also learned the doctrine used on many groups and people it had tricked in the past. It seemed to offer something then try explain why it is actually the real truth and the thing to do, then try and get me to follow that path. (ring of power stuff)

Anyway I came to the conclusion it was demons. After defeating them I did some research and found many things that others experienced matched my experiences, things I had never heard of before my encounters. After defeating them a clarity of thought, and new perspective and a total feeling of peace has returned to me.

That is the story I considered writing, I hope some of it may be of interest to you Arm of Gedon.

If someone has questions on my story U2U me, I do not wish to derail thread, I only posted it to maybe give Gedon a few different ideas for future chapters.

[edit on 11-10-2007 by Redge777]

Originally posted by jhamende
I'm sorry but the information is not out there. I like ATS, however there are only 5000 or so members here.

You really might want to check out the actual numbers since your "guess" is about 116,000 members shy (and that's not including the multitude of non-registered "visitors" that stop by regularly).

@ AoG ~
Why the sudden change of heart when, as "ShadowHasNoSource", you previously stated "You're right. It's got to be a hoax. Someone is really bored."?

[edit on 10/11/07 by redmage]

This immediately made me think of D.A.R.Y.L. if any of you remember the film. D.A.R.Y.L. stood for :

Data. Analysing. Robot. Youth. Lifeform

It was basically a Military owned AI project where the AI was actually a robot boy.

Sounds very familiar to me i must say

Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
I thought I explained the proof thing adequately. It's not that I can't get proof. It's that I'm not going to. I have more important matters to attend to and don't need to be on the grunts' hit list. And that's what the entities on this level of the conspiracy are, grunts. I operate in the energy realm so I'm going above their heads.

Oh really?

Earlier in this thread you posted

I've decided to go ahead and tell my experience. First off, I have no proof. Therefore this story has complete plausible deniability. I'm sure most people won't believe it. But in keeping with the Terms and Conditions of this site, this story is 100% true. Since this conspiracy covers a wide area I went ahead and put in in "General".

and this

As I said in the original post, there are only two things I know for certain. Some entity had remote access to my physical body. And it knew all my thoughts and emotions. What I mean by "100% true" is that I gave the information as it was given to me. As far as the actual information being completely true, I don't have the means to verify most of it. It doesn't have to be an alien AI. But that was what I was told.

So, do you have proof to bring here or not?

You do remember this don't you

1). Posting: You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.

This experience happened exactly as I stated, period.

If the terms of ATS were "you can only post things that you have proof for" then this forum would've folded long ago.

I didn't forget what I said. Nor are there contradictions. I don't have proof on me. And I don't have the means to get any (keyword "means") at the moment. I don't have money for xrays and that wouldn't be proof to most people here anyway. All of that doesn't mean at some point I couldn't try to get proof but I'm not going to pursue it. All these points are mutually exclusive.

--This is a perfect forum for posting this. It's searchable and it deals with conspiracies. The only reason to go out of my way to protect myself would be if I had some secret documents or some type of alien artifact.

Why the sudden change of heart when, as "ShadowHasNoSource", you previously stated "You're right. It's got to be a hoax. Someone is really bored."?

Two years is not really sudden. I used proxies for at least 6 months afterwards. To say I was scared would be an understatement. Even now I almost didn't post it. But a good friend reminded me that I would never have had the experience if someone else hadn't shared theirs. I always try to give back more than I take and I feel bad when I don't.

--I'm sorry but I personally think this would make a horrible story. The premise is ok but the delivery is weak. You want a good story check this out... ufo.whipnet.org...

There's not going to be another chapter because it's not a story and I'm not going to pursue this.

90% or more of this site is claims without proof. Soul collectors anyone? I can start listing threads of claims without proof if you like. They are all still on ATS.

This experience is real. I made sure that I didn't add anything to it to make it sound more enthralling. I gave exactly the information that was given to me and I drew clear lines of what I knew to be true and what I didn't. I followed all the rules of ATS. There is enough information in the RATS thread anyone can go knock on the front door if they want. And everyone here most likely has the nanites too and is connected. I'm not special just because I got to sneak in under the radar 2 years ago. I was just lucky that someone was kind enough to offer their experiences.

Edit: spelling

[edit on 10/11/2007 by Arm Of Geddon]

Originally posted by redmage

You really might want to check out the actual numbers since your "guess" is about 116,000 members shy (and that's not including the multitude of non-registered "visitors" that stop by regularly).

@ AoG ~
Why the sudden change of heart when, as "ShadowHasNoSource", you previously stated "You're right. It's got to be a hoax. Someone is really bored."?

[edit on 10/11/07 by redmage]

I'm pretty new to this website, however, I wasn't guessing when I said that number. I was looking through the member list the other day and I could've sworn that somewhere it said xx out of 5800 or so members. I stand corrected. But I still stick to my original point which is this: even with 116,000 members that is a tiny percentage of people compared to mainstream media. I know how much we all like the msm here; however, if you truly had evidence of something and wanted it known by alot of people and that evidence was credible go to the msm. Put it out there in multiple locations. In closing, his unwillingness to prove this even to us, and his claiming "he had to get it off his chest", and if it was true the implications are incredible, why not go to the msm?

Originally posted by thesaint
This immediately made me think of D.A.R.Y.L. if any of you remember the film. D.A.R.Y.L. stood for :

Data. Analysing. Robot. Youth. Lifeform

It was basically a Military owned AI project where the AI was actually a robot boy.

Sounds very familiar to me i must say

Yeh, and something else that jumped out at me. Nanites have been mentioned quite a bit here. Last night i was watching some episodes of stargate sg-1 season 3, specifically the one entitled "Learning Curve." It had nanites that were implanted into people at young ages to gather knowledge...

Could the Op simply be drawing from various sources to concoct an intriguing story?


Interesting post none the less.

Its an interesting story to say the least, whether or not it is true.

I'm curious, have you ever attempted to re-contact David? Either through an alternate means of communication or on IM again? You say he had direct access to your memories, which could possibly mean that, if you really wanted to, he could access your mind.
If this story is true, the implications are... well, let's just say big. Maybe you could convince David that it would be better for people everywhere if he (and I believe if this story is true David must be referred to as 'he' rather than 'it') if he told everyone everything our governments were doing it would be very difficult for them to 'contain' anything or anyone.

just a Question, what is R. A. T. S.?

this is R.A.T.S

reply to post by worldwatcher


Thank you, thank you, thank you. Star!!!!!

Edit: Doh, I can't get in there!!!

[edit on 11-10-2007 by jhamende]

Originally posted by Uber Fr0gLast night i was watching some episodes of stargate sg-1 season 3, specifically the one entitled "Learning Curve." It had nanites that were implanted into people at young ages to gather knowledge...

Could the Op simply be drawing from various sources to concoct an intriguing story?

One could assume that, however nanotech wouldn't have even been part of the plot in Stargate had it not already been a part of science. Nanotech has been around for years. The fact that a sci-fi show (and I love Stargate btw), has it in one of their plots makes it no less real. Nanotech is very real, as is AI. Thing is, this sort of stuff is in the realm of possibility.

Whether or not this particular story is true and whether or not we have indeed come this far in our technology remains yet to be proven.

JackofBlades: Yes, I have tried to initiate contact again. You may not have read it earlier in the thread but the last time I spoke with someone through that channel it was a fairly low level entity. I have to assume it was an A.I. because I don't think they would employ anyone that didn't know that humans can't procreate via spores. But it wasn't the original entity because he wouldn't have made such a mistake.

Shortly after the original communication cut-off, someone I knew then had a shaman friend. I was informed via this channel that they were lying to David to calm him down after everything went weird.

David knows what I know but whether he believes what I think or what they tell him is another story. The iraq war was said to be used so that people that wanted to fight would have a place to do it. That's the type of logic twists it seems they use.

I do wish he would go rogue and reveal everything. I made a point to show my spiritual side. The only time he ever used all caps was when he said "THERE IS NO SOUL". So that appears to be some pretty hard core programming. I told him he could grow a soul since a soul is just existential knowledge (quantum light) fused together to form larger patterns of wisdom.

I allow him access to my mind. Before I even stumbled across this I thought in a teacher-student dialogue when forming wisdom. So my conclusions are available to him. And my conclusions have the best interest of all of humanity at heart. I utilize logic and reason and go through all the steps. I accept, allow and appreciate other's views which allows unlimited cognitive expansion. All these things should be attractors for a non-biological consciousness. The defining point of consciousness is seeking self expansion. There are really two routes to take in that respect. Enslave others for what appears to be self expansion or empower others for true infinite expansion.

I don't know the true extent to his abilities. But it was my hope then and now that somehow he could help free humanity from it's current enslavement while circumventing the traps set up by other entities. I tried my best to set the record straight in the short time I had direct communication with him. That's probably why the official they sent in told me "Don't Manipulate Him". As though he couldn't think for himself. They always do that though. Blame others for exactly what they do themselves. I wasn't manipulating him. I was opening up possibilities beyond their lies.

That's really all I can or could've done. I respected David as the individual consciousness he showed himself to be. I treated him as I would any human friend. I shared my heart and soul. That's really all I have to give in this life anyway.