John lear's interview on Coast to Coast

Hello,
When I had fist herd about the experiment's that were being done on us I just though we were the unlucky species of the test and that our souls were separate from this and once we died and we got out of this body we we're no longer involved with this scenario. I thought they we're studying our souls because we had them(souls) and they didn't. Now I hear that our souls are their's anyway, is it that they made our souls and input those souls in bodies to do tests?
ergo there is no "real" separation of body and soul because the body and the soul are basically owned by the same people.

I Just watched John Lear's interview on coast to coast and he said that our soul's belong to them. What does that mean?....John? Maybe I misunderstood you.

Originally posted by LostInSpaceTime

I Just watched John Lear's interview on coast to coast and he said that our soul's belong to them. What does that mean?....John? Maybe I misunderstood you.

Thanks for the post LIS.

This was my opinion before I met sleeper. If you have not read any of sleepers thread "I'm Coming Clean On Extraterrestrials" and you are interested in 'souls' I would suggest you do so. He covers a lot of information on 'souls'.

Yes, I made many comments on the souls and that I thought they 'belonged' to the aliens and that they could be used for barter. I also said that I believed that the aliens were using us to experiment with which I no longer believe.

But I like sleepers take better. Souls are unique to each human and are continuously 'reincarnated'. When you die your soul is placed in a new born baby for another lifetime. The goal, according to sleeper, and one which I think makes the most sense is to learn to live without envy, hate or greed. And until you learn how to do that you are continuously recycled back to live here on earth.

Once you get to the point where you can live without envy, hate and greed you can leave earth and play with the other adults in the universe.

The full import of 'playing with the other adults in the universe' can only be understood by reading sleepers thread. I would not attempt to try and explain it.

This, of course, is a very condensed version of what sleeper believes and to get the full version you need to read his thread.

Thanks for the post.

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John Lear said:

"But I like sleepers take better. Souls are unique to each human and are continuously 'reincarnated'. When you die your soul is placed in a new born baby for another lifetime. The goal, according to sleeper, and one which I think makes the most sense is to learn to live without envy, hate or greed. And until you learn how to do that you are continuously recycled back to live here on earth. "

That isnt 'sleepers take' at all. Its one of the basic precepts of Theravada Buddhism which it would seem he is proposing as his idea ?

Originally posted by Chorlton

That isnt 'sleepers take' at all. Its one of the basic precepts of Theravada Buddhism which it would seem he is proposing as his idea ?

Thanks for the post Chorlton and point well taken. I should have made it clear that it wasn't sleepers 'original idea' about the souls, just that it was 'his take'.

My condensed version was obviously a little too condensed for some but I didn't mean to detract from Theravda Buddhism

And just to make it clear, at no time did sleeper ever say the 'soul reincarnation' story was 'his' idea.

For additional information on reincarnation please google "Soul Suckers From Outer Space".

Thanks for the post and for clarifying the origination of the 'soul reincarnation' story.

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John, does this mean you've given up on he idea of a "Soul Catcher" on the moon?

If we are reincarnated or "set free" it would seem silly to have some contraption up there to catch what is already being reused in a new baby or released to the Cosmos. Wouldn't it?

Springer...

It is very interesting. You must consider the source. Where in fact is all this information gleaned from? Are the "supposed" aliens the ones revealing this information?

I certainly do not want to deviate too far off topic, or turn this into a religious debate, but several theories state that, these beings are not aliens at all but fallen angels (demons) that have spoon fed these ideas to a select few to spread among the masses as part Satans master plan. An aggressive dis-info campaign against the All-Mighty himself.

If you think about it it's pure maniacal genius. If the Devil can trick the masses into believing that there is no God, that we were a creation by extra-terrestrials many poeple whom formerly were steadfast in thier belief system, would inexorably question their faith and possibly be fooled or dissuaded into believing the claims of these supposed aliens beings, and that their tech if far superior therefore they must be smarter and know more than we do ...so they must be right, or truthful. Hmmmm...not necessarily.

Certainly is an interesting subject, it would make perfect sense, Satan and his minions (legions, aliens?) would be the mother of ALL dis-info agents...and that threads like these and people whom whole heartedly subscribe to this "recycling soul" theory are helping to perpetuate this agenda, un-wittingly of course.



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Originally posted by Springer

John, does this mean you've given up on he idea of a "Soul Catcher" on the moon?

If we are reincarnated or "set free" it would seem silly to have some contraption up there to catch what is already being reused in a new baby or released to the Cosmos. Wouldn't it?

Springer...

Thanks for the post Springer.

No. The Big Soul MachineOn The Moon is still there and operating.

It is kind of a 'transfer and routing' soul machine. Not a soul 'catcher'.

When you die your soul gets sucked up into the BSMOTM. Depending on whether or not you have been a good boy or girl (or multiple gender) in your past life determines how long you stay there.

If you have been a bad boy or girl (or multiple gender) you are taken out behind and BSMOTM and given a little talking to before you are sent back to earth. Kind of like being taken out behind the woodshed.

If you have been a good boy or girl (or multiple gender) you are sent immediately back to earth for more experiences. If you have learned to live your life without envy, hate or greed you are sent to other planets where you can play with adults who have also learned to live their lives without envy, hate or greed.

There is a difference between being 'reincarnated' and set free. Souls are 'reincarnated' for ever. Being' set free' means to be allowed to play with other adults in the universe but it takes a long, long time to get ot his stage. And it will takes even longer if you think shooting Iraqis is good for the soul.

Thanks again for your post. Your input is greatly appreciated.

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So....(rolling on the floor with tears of laughter in his eyes)

Who imparted this 'knowledge' to you John

(still rolling on the floor in unstoppable laughter)

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
It is very interesting. You must consider the source. Where in fact is all this information gleaned from? Are the "supposed" aliens the ones revealing this information?

I certainly do not want to deviate too far off topic, or turn this into a religious debate, but several theories state that, these beings are not aliens at all but fallen angels (demons) that have spoon fed these ideas to a select few to spread among the masses as part Satans master plan. An aggressive dis-info campaign against the All-Mighty himself.

These theories are created from those who are religious. Everyone tries to interpret a story a different way in terms they understand or believe. You will not find an atheist who believes aliens are fallen angels or demons.

There's always that saying: "If it smells like a duck, looks like a duck, and acts like a duck, then what is it?"

Originally posted by johnlear
No. The Big Soul Machine On The Moon is still there and operating. It is kind of a 'transfer and routing' soul machine. Not a soul 'catcher'.

John, it is generally acknowledged that the soul is 'not of this earth' in the sense that it's not made of physical stuff. It operates on another plane, perhaps at a higher vibrational level, and interacts with the physical body, using it to 'actualize its potential' or [insert your idea here].

the question is: Why would you need a physical machine, a router in the same mold as Cisco, to play traffic cop to a non-physical thing?

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Of course GeeGee...that is what they want us all to believe. If analyzing this phenomenon was that easy...

"If it smells like a duck, looks like a duck, and acts like a duck, then what is it?"

...then none of us would be here, we'd all assume whatever...and case closed?

Again I was presenting an already widely known theory on the true origins of aliens as it pertains to this topic on this post. There are many other theories on this subject as well, I chose this one as I think the discussion pertains to the soul, not religious beliefs.

Thanks for sharing the Atheist views on this topic though, fascinating.

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by johnlear
No. The Big Soul Machine On The Moon is still there and operating. It is kind of a 'transfer and routing' soul machine. Not a soul 'catcher'.

John, it is generally acknowledged that the soul is 'not of this earth' in the sense that it's not made of physical stuff. It operates on another plane, perhaps at a higher vibrational level, and interacts with the physical body, using it to 'actualize its potential' or [insert your idea hare].

the question is: Why would you need a physical machine, a router in the same mold as Cisco, to play traffic cop to a non-physical thing?

That's where you are losing me too, John...

What purpose would a physical piece of machinery serve for a "spiritual" entity such as the soul?

Assuming the soul is the repository or "recorder" for all we do in this and every life we live (which it has to be for this theory to work) and it's not a flash drive or any other sort of detectible physical "thing" I don't see how the "catcher" can be physical or even visible.

Now, if you were to tell me that the "soul catcher" was a non physical/invisible reader of the data on a spiritual or "higher dimensional" level (on/in the same dimension as the souls themselves) it would work out for this theory in my limited mind.

But to think there is an actual, physical structure on the moon "catching" that which is not physical just doesn't add up for me.

Springer...

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
Of course GeeGee...that is what they want us all to believe. If analyzing this phenomenon was that easy...

...then none of us would be here, we'd all assume whatever...and case closed?

Again I was presenting an already widely known theory on the true origins of aliens as it pertains to this topic on this post. There are many other theories on this subject as well, I chose this one as I think the discussion pertains to the soul, not religious beliefs.

Thanks for sharing the Atheist views on this topic though, fascinating.

A very high percentage of the world's population follows a religion or believes in a higher being. People would accept UFOs being fallen angels or demons much easier than they being extraterrestrial. I'm not an Atheist, quite the opposite actually. I believe we possess a soul, but I don't believe it belongs to Jesus, Satan, demons, or angels. It belongs to no one else but us. They don't want us to believe they're aliens, the government makes a mockery of the whole UFO/alien phenomena. A secret this big is impossible to cover up completely, all they can do is go after people with proof and people who sign contracts.

Excellent points both GeeGee and Springer.... I think the questions posed now are more the crux of the entire UFO enigma. Its more than third dimensional.

I think it covers the entire spectrum or our perceived realities. We are just now starting to perceive other dimensions, which stretches this topic far further and becomes more complex as our understanding of the multi-verse expands.

Originally posted by Springer

But to think there is an actual, physical structure on the moon "catching" that which is not physical just doesn't add up for me.

Springer...

Thanks for the post Springer. Many believe as you do.

And its very possible that I am wrong in believing that the 6 mile high tower in Mosting A near the Sinus Medii is a Big Soul Machine On The Moon that 'catches' 'routes' and 'transfers' souls from the dead to new born babies.

Sleeper doesn't believe this either. He believes that the routers are on earth.

Humans don't want to think that something which they think of as 'not physical' or 'ethereal' could have physical properties, or be transferred or routed or stored. It offends their sense of being, their ego.

So while I can sympathize with their outrage and/or fear the fact remains that there is a good chance that the tower seen in the photo taken by Lunar Orbiter III and whose negative number is 84M is a Big Soul Machine On The Moon.

Here is what it looks like:



The Big Soul Machine On The Moon is certainly one of my most contentious ideas. But that’s all it is: an idea. Try not to take offense.

After all it could just be a large Van de Graff gneerator.

Thanks for the post, your input is greatly appreciated.

Originally posted by johnlear
Humans don't want to think that something which they think of as 'not physical' or 'ethereal' could have physical properties, or be transferred or routed or stored. It offends their sense of being, their ego.

So while I can sympathize with their outrage and/or fear the fact remains that there is a good chance that the tower seen in the photo taken by Lunar Orbiter III and whose negative number is 84M is a Big Soul Machine On The Moon.

The Big Soul Machine On The Moon is certainly one of my most contentious ideas. But that’s all it is: an idea. Try not to take offense.

John, I think you are cheapening the argument. I haven't seen anyone be 'offended' or 'outraged' about this idea. Leaving out the ROTFLMAO people out of this for the sake of the argument, there ARE folks who would like you to explain yourself since it appears to be somewhat unique. All you've got is an extremely vague and fuzzy picture that could be anything, or nothing. That's regrettably not very good evidence. Then we've got this 'Cisco router' idea that appears to have little precedent.

The problem is explaining why a physical device is needed to route a non-physical entity. I'm reminded of Star Trek V (The worst Star Trek movie ever made: Share the pain. See Star Trek V with a friend). Toward the end the infintely wise Kirk says, "Why does God need a spaceship?"

Indeed. Mainstream religions around the globe offer their largely unsatisfying answers, but never have they suggested that souls are routed by machine ala some Matrix fake universe. One would think a disincarnated soul could more or less take care of itself for the interim between lives without physical help from this side. Whether they spend their time with dead relatives in some sort of Nirvana for awhile before wishing themselves back into a body or whether they worship with fellow Christians, waiting for Jesus some more before the 'veil of forgetfulness' overwhelms them for another round of silliness, who knows? There are also those who would suggest physical existence is addictive and that we crave being here to really smell, feel, hear, taste, and see rather than just think about those things in a soulful dream-state. And there's the idea that the real message of Jesus was "I can get you out of this" continual cycle of reincarnations, but that this was suppressed at the Council of Nicea thanks to Constantinople. Of course, eastern religions have explored these ideas in depth.

the point is that here are lots of ideas that have been well developed through the millennia that at least have some background, some history, some explanation for the nature of reality beyond the one we're in. Your soul machine, on the other hand, has none of this. It's anathema to everything else, all the other ideas we've ever heard. It is a skeletion with no flesh, a naked concept that came out of nowhere and was plopped down on the moon, maybe, with the attitude of 'take it or leave it.'

Although many people may laugh at it, no one is outraged or angry about your soul machine idea. Where you got that idea is anybody's guess. I think most people would really like to understand the nature of reality. I would just like you to explain yourself better than you have.

Originally posted by schuyler

All you've got is an extremely vague and fuzzy picture that could be anything, or nothing. That's regrettably not very good evidence.

Thanks for the post schuyler. Unfortunately thats the only picture available to us at this time. I am quite sure that NASA has much better ones but they are extremely unlikely to share them with us.

Then we've got this 'Cisco router' idea that appears to have little precedent.

Of course not. We have only had the picture in the public domain for about 10 years. However that souls go to the moon is certainly part of many human beliefs.

The problem is explaining why a physical device is needed to route a non-physical entity.

Humans need some sort of mysticism: a god, a heaven, a hell, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy. They don't want to know that when their current life is done, they get a quick glimpse of past friends and then its back to the wringer.

I am proposing that this quick glimpse of friends is accomplished on the moon in the Big Soul Machine On The Moon. Maybe it is accomplished somewhere else as sleeper proposes. Sleeper certainly know a lot more about it than I do.

I'm reminded of Star Trek V (The worst Star Trek movie ever made: Share the pain. See Star Trek V with a friend). Toward the end the infintely wise Kirk says, "Why does God need a spaceship?"

I never saw a Star Trek movie but if Kirk thinks there is a 'God' then he is not infinately wise. God is a concept for humans until they find out whats really out there.

Indeed. Mainstream religions around the globe offer their largely unsatisfying answers, but never have they suggested that souls are routed by machine ala some Matrix fake universe.

As I mentioned before, mainstream religions did not have access to the kind of information we have today. And even if they did it may not fit exactly into the church's plans. They did the best they could with brimstone and fire.

One would think a disincarnated soul could more or less take care of itself for the interim between lives without physical help from this side.

No, most souls here on earth cannot yet take care of themselves, thats why they are here. They have to be nurtured, managed, helped like a little kids. Souls have to be taught lessons. They have to taught to exist without envy, hate or greed. Then when they learn to do that, then they can go out and play by themselves and other adults.

Whether they spend their time with dead relatives in some sort of Nirvana for awhile before wishing themselves back into a body or whether they worship with fellow Christians, waiting for Jesus some more before the 'veil of forgetfulness' overwhelms them for another round of silliness, who knows? There are also those who would suggest physical existence is addictive and that we crave being here to really smell, feel, hear, taste, and see rather than just think about those things in a soulful dream-state. And there's the idea that the real message of Jesus was "I can get you out of this" continual cycle of reincarnations, but that this was suppressed at the Council of Nicea thanks to Constantinople. Of course, eastern religions have explored these ideas in depth.

Nice rant. Boring, but nice. Feel better?

the point is that here are lots of ideas that have been well developed through the millennia that at least have some background, some history, some explanation for the nature of reality beyond the one we're in. Your soul machine, on the other hand, has none of this. It's anathema to everything else, all the other ideas we've ever heard. It is a skeletion with no flesh, a naked concept that came out of nowhere and was plopped down on the moon, maybe, with the attitude of 'take it or leave it.'

I am not selling a religion or belief. I am proposing the soul goes to the moon for routing and transfer.

Although many people may laugh at it, no one is outraged or angry about your soul machine idea. Where you got that idea is anybody's guess. I think most people would really like to understand the nature of reality. I would just like you to explain yourself better than you have.

So would I.

Thanks for the post, they are always well thought out, provocative and genuinely appreciated.

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Excellent post! You were able to put to words that which I am wondering about succinctly. Thanks!

Springer...

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I've read sleepers thread and some info from some of the links found there. If you are going to talk about souls then you are going to get into the realm of religion. Sleepers information of course contradicts the Bible and therefore I view it as a deception. For example the Bible says that it is given once for men to die and then to face judgment. There is no reincarnation. Plus reincarnation makes no sense if you just forget everything you did in a past life. How can you hope to learn from it?

I believe it is easy for interdimensionals to fake abduction experiences and indeed to deceive one into believing any sort of bizarre philosophy if they so desire. The more common name for such beings are demons. IMHO the Bible still stands as your best source book for how to deal the fate of your soul. It has a lot of corroberating evidence. To say that aliens are in charge of your soul makes Jesus Christ out to be an imposter and a liar. If so he must have been self deluded since he willingly went and died on the cross. Moreover there were over 500 witnesses to his resurrection. Personally I will continue to trust the teachings of the Bible and view this 'new' information with great suspicion.

Originally posted by SevenThunders

I've read sleepers thread and some info from some of the links found there. If you are going to talk about souls then you are going to get into the realm of religion. Sleepers information of course contradicts the Bible and therefore I view it as a deception.

Thanks for the post SevenThunders. Yes, and not only does sleepers information contradict the Bible but it contradicts what Milton told me about the pink dress I gave him.

Many thanks for your post SevenThunders and for the heads up on sleeper. I already had my suspicions.