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Why is this part of history hard to understand? Why do so many people think Palestine was around first? I think history is too hard to swallow for some since it will instantly change the way they think and understand that the Hebrews have a right to live in Israel no matter what anyone else says
Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
If some of you knew how to interpret my posts, you'd know that I'm referring to the point in time around the 1947 Partition, and slightly before. If you don't know how to interpret it, then don't make assumptions.
I don't know if it was a Jew or a Muslim who first set foot on the land that is now Israel. That's not what I'm debating, because frankly, I don't care.
The FACTS are this: Palestinians were displaced. They had control of this land, everything was fine in that area, and they were displaced.
reply to post by FredT
You could just as easily say that isreal is antagonizing Iran as well as her direct neighbors like Syria with thier latest attack eh?
Originally posted by humanunnaki
(I lived in AK for eleven years. It is not survivable without help from the southern 48 unless you go native and eat muktuk
Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
This is the basic point:
If some of you knew how to interpret my posts, you'd know that I'm referring to the point in time around the 1947 Partition, and slightly before. If you don't know how to interpret it, then don't make assumptions.
I don't know if it was a Jew or a Muslim who first set foot on the land that is now Israel. That's not what I'm debating, because frankly, I don't care.
The facts are this, willfully ignorant grasshopper: Jews were there first, and they were DISPLACED. They had control of this land, and they were displaced.
The FACTS are this: Palestinians were displaced. They had control of this land, everything was fine in that area, and they were displaced.
Really - is it just coincidence that the violence in the Middle East has skyrocketed in such a short period of time since that partition?
The war monger Israel view point only works if you don’t think they have a right to be there. If you do recognize Israel as a state, then you can see defense for what it is.
Another FACT is that Israel is allowed to do what ever it pleases. They're allowed to have nuclear weapons. They're allowed to bully other nations, bomb other nations, and if any of those nations retaliates, it's terrorism.
What? They were a ME peoples. They lived in Palestine before any other group still around to stake a claim.
Another FACT is that the Holocaust happened in Europe. If we, the British, and the Soviets were so damn sympathetic of the Jewish people during that time, we could have sacrificed a little land in our respective controlled areas of Germany and formed a Jewish state.
I don't care what the Bible says. You don't make political decisions based on religion. You can't stop every last lunatic from doing it, but the all mighty UN should be above it.
Again, thats just sick.
You make the Jewish state in Germany because it HAPPENED in Germany.
So - again - who was the first to set foot on the land? A Jew or a Muslim? Maybe a Christian? I don't know, and I don't care.
It doesnt require bible text, no one really disputes what I said above. Well, there are some who think Jesus never walked the earth, but there aren’t really any solid arguments to that, however in this context it doesn’t really matter because Christianity was there before Islam even if there was no Christ and no Mohamed.
If I did care, I'd like to see anyone truly prove which one set foot there first. And when I say truly prove, I mean don't give me Bible text.
So who was truly there first is up for debate
- but is pretty much worthless, because the facts that Palestinians were displaced,
Originally posted by Areal51
reply to post by cavscout
What I would like to know is, why any country should be allowed to have nuclear weapons.