My Demon

Thanks llpoolej, well put I think. Vultures are always there for their prey and it's not because they want to be friends.

This is my first post, please be gentle. Apologies in advance for length.

BooBabe, I understand your plight. I have had "something" with me for as long as I can remember. Creep-Me-Out Moment? We had a very reputable medium come to a house at which we had many strange things happening. I waited on the porch to greet her. As I stood there, waiting to offer a handshake or hug (we were very good friends with her daughter) and before any introductions were made she looked at me and said "It's here because of you.".

Back on topic. I know the futility of offering proof. Most of what happens with me is hard to prove, it really isn't anything tangible. Most of it can be debunked as something entirely rational, as I will point out. I do not know if I have had any real near death experiences. The few times that I was in situations that could have evolved into such, I had a sense of eerie calm because I knew that it was going to be okay. I have never seen a representation of my "something". I don't really get the impression that it is my "Guardian Angel" - there's no "angelic" feel to it. It does not feel malevolent, either. If I had to describe the vibe I get off of it, it is simply "old". Not "old" as in age, "old" as in existence. I do not really get an impression of determinate sex - it feels male. There is no regular interaction with it, it happens when it happens. There seems to be no predecessor. Which is a nice segue into the actual incidents.

When I was married previously, it was obvious that it did not like the spousal unit, "S". It did not care much for his sister, either. When we would get into arguments, things would break or things of theirs would disappear and then reappear in a curious manner. There were a few things that I can point out that were physical in nature and other people had witnessed, some of which seem to have no rational explanation.
1) We had an argument and the mood hung around all day. His sister, "K" would visit almost every weekend, and was there. "S" wanted to wear a specific hat, which he could not locate and the blame had been laid at my feet for hiding it out of spite. He and his sister were walking down the hallway, in which was completely bare except for the doors leading to rooms and midway, where there were no doors, the hat falls from out of nowhere to hit "K" squarely in the chest to drop to the floor. There was NOWHERE from which it could have dropped. Another time "K"'s keys disappeared and when we found them some hours later, they were on top of a cabinet near the front door. It was quite high - you would have to go to great trouble to put anything there. Did I mention that we did not keep things on top of any of the cabinets? (No one has been able to offer any explanations)
2) We were having an argument in the hallway and an ashtray on the living room coffee table exploded. It was made of lead crystal and was pristine - no visible marks or cracks. I remember it sounded like a quiet rifle shot. (Could have some rational explanation)
3) It would use my voice to call "S" and frighten "K". Sometimes when I was not there. One particular instance, "S" was in the bathroom, and claimed that I was insistent, moderately loud, and sounded angry. The children and I were in the living room some fifteen feet away. The kids were sleeping. I heard nothing. Another time, I was in the kitchen with "K" - I was doing dishes and the window above the sink was open. We both heard my voice - it sounded as if I was answering the telephone, and it sounded as if it were coming from right outside the window. "Hello? ....Hello?!!? Hello!" (I recognize that this can be dismissed as "hearing things")
4) "K" and I were sitting on the couch, discussing "S". We used to have a little baby seat that was suspended from the door frame - a "Johnny Jump Up", for those of you that remember. The conversation was not pleasant. (He was abusive, both physical and verbal) The baby seat begins to swing. The air is not on. No windows are open. It is not a subtle swinging, it's almost exaggerated motion. We watch it for a few minutes. She asks me quietly if I see it. We agree to get up and check for drafts or any sort of explanation. I feel no drafts, and as she goes to touch it, it stops in mid swing, at the zenith of the arc before it swings the other way. Stopped in mid-air and held for about two or three seconds before it lowered to the centered spot and remained completely still. She left right then and there (a two hour drive), leaving me alone with the kids. (No explanations for this one)
5) The kids were aware of this "Something". My daughter was four years old at the time, and my son had just been born recently. We did not speak of it in front of my daughter, but she would often say or do things that acknowledged it. ie; one night she came to our bedroom complaining that "Bob" would not let her sleep - he kept talking to her and he "sounded like leaves". She would complain that he would play with her toys - hearing them move, rattle, or jingle. (It continues to play with the toys - occasionally turning on toys that require batteries - sometimes when it does NOT have batteries) She had no fear of it. My son was a very happy baby and rarely fussed. His crib was in our room. One night I heard him wake and start to fuss, then I hear one of his stuffed animals jingle and a patting noise and he quieted down. (He was weeks old at this time, unable to roll over and my daughter was asleep and "S" heard it as well) I would leave the blankets down when he was in a sleeper, left at the bottom of the mattress in his crib. One night I did not close the windows and it got chilly. I woke up and went to cover my son, but it had already done so. I was alone in the house with my son. ( All of this can be dismissed if you want to - a four year old hearing things, toys settling, toys with batteries - batteries dying/toys without batteries - residual charge), forgetting that I had covered him up) Now the curious thing is, many years later - about 10 years later, I had my son at my apartment ("S" and I were separated) and out of the blue he complained that he felt like something was there, and that he kept hearing "a sound like leaves - in the fall". It was early spring and he would sometimes be in the middle of the apartment when he heard this sound.
6) It knocks on windows, walls, and doors. It slams doors. It has cracked a window, doors, and door frames. This has occured on second/third story windows (three people present) multiple times. It knocks on walls or slams doors when you are alone in the house or with multiple people in the room. There is never anyone on the side from which the noise would be coming. We always check for drafts. (Could be a rational explanation)

Somethings that have no tangible proof: Whenever something awful, and potentially tragic would happen; my father being admitted for emergency heart surgery, two of my kids cut themselves accidentally nearly nicking a vein/artery, a car accident happening two cars ahead of me on the Interstate, a few dangerously stupid things I/my kids did - two causing fairly bad internal injury - most of them involving potential serious physical harm - I KNEW that it was going to be okay. I don't know how to explain it other than a calm. I seem to get my way more often than I should. Whether that be in the way of material things or opportunities. One example: a camera - which was not too terribly popular and impossible to find as it was roughly 7- 8 years old - was given to me, out of the blue, from a photographer friend. I had never discussed this camera, save with two people who did not know this friend. Did I mention that this friend lived in Japan and we are East Coast? A lot of the time when "S" and I fight, something happens to him. (This still happens) Could be a random chain of events, but it's usually something fairly odd and potentially serious. ...A deer jumping through the driver's side window and nearly impaling him, assorted nasty injuries and the like. Some of the time, I have knowledge of said event before it is brought to my attention. ("S" got a nasty laceration, and I called him to ask if we needed to go to the hospital - He was at work, I was at home, and the injury occurred 2 - 3 minutes before my phone call)

My oldest daughter named him "Bob" - we don't know why. I don't think this is it's name. When things escalate in the ex's house, weird things like those mentioned above still happen. It's still very protective of myself and the kids. It STILL does not like "S". I do not make any claims of being psychic or to have spirit guides. I don't know what this all means.

Sorry this is such a long winded post, I wanted to note particular incidents and try to convey my mutual frustration at providing "proof". EVERYTHING can have a rational explanation if you WANT it too. But when strange things happen often enough, it makes you wonder. I have difficulty at dismissing them all.

Originally posted by llpoolej
I mean no disrespect, but, you can't love a demon into goodness. That is like going into the jungle and expecting the tiger not to have you for dinner, because you are full of love and happiness. Things do what they are meant to do. Demons cause destruction no matter what YOUR intentions are. Tigers eat other mammals for dinner, no matter how pleasant they are

True words of wisdom.

People that rationalize even the basic of other-dimensional manipulation worry me for the simple fact that we have a history of allowing ourselves to be abused (or the abuse of others) by the "Gods" even just for the little attention they give us.

If this thing is feeding off of you...and I believe and know these things happen...it is not there to help you but rather itself. I've been in the middle of those sort of things before and it's not easy to tell exactly what is really going on.

Hey Trask, I must admit this entity does have motive. In the example of hat and keys, seems to cause blame to be shifted. I'm curious as to just how much involvement this had in the relationship between your family members. Maybe more than initially realized? What are the beliefs/faiths of family members?

It appears to be a demon pursuing a strategy of "trust me."

Sooner or later it will try to dominate and possess.

I didn't mean to derail this into a "ME ME ME" post - simply an empathetic one.

That being said, I figured I would be polite and answer questions.


s4G:
Motives? I am not sure. As I said, I have been aware of "something" for as long as I can remember. Wouldn't it have made it's move by now? It has by no means spared me from all harm. My life has not been all happiness and cupcakes and bunnies and getting my way. FAR from it. It seems to keep any real damage from coming to me/my children, though. Too many last second saves, and wow-that-could-have-ended-REALLY-badly things to dismiss.

In the case of the hat, keys, various objects, it seemed more reactionary or as a punishment/to irritate "S" and/or "K" than anything else. See, I was held responsible for anything and everything by "S" anyway. Even when he killed my kitten, that was somehow my fault. I don't understand the blame shifting angle you are getting at - perhaps I am dense. Elaborate, please?

Involvement with my family members: as I said, it seemed to be ~around~ from when I was little. I guess when I met "S" it surfaced in the awareness of injuries. I do not mean to imply any sort of clairvoyance or precognitive ability in the next statement: The women in my family all seem to have a knack for knowing things we'd have no way of knowing and finding things. I've kind of dismissed this as one of the things you'd find in a close family, and simply remembering things, even if you didn't really notice the first time around. It didn't really go into protective mode until "S" started to become abusive/violent.

I am Roman Catholic, "S", Baptist. I go to mass occasionally. A lot of the times I was prevented from going to mass because of the disapproval of "S". He had no interest in attending any sort of service, regardless of denomination. He thinks that all church goers are full of you-know-what. He dismisses all Catholics as shallow and back stabbing. My oldest was in a Parochial school for a while. Sunday school was attended by my children off and on, both Catholic and non-denominational. Although I consider myself a lapsed Catholic more than anything else at present, I do still attend mass occasionally and my rosary goes everywhere with me. I have casually studied other belief systems but have not committed any of the classic mistakes that invite trouble.

Zane:
(If the questions were directed at me)
I don't get that impression of it. As I asked before, wouldn't it have made it's move by now? I don't trust or distrust it - it simply IS.

I would disagree, and that leads to my next question:


In that vein, couldn't ALL "Guardian Angels" be dismissed as potential demons? Attempting to gain trust through a series of misleading events? I neither believe nor disbelieve in Guardian Angels. I do not know what defines it. Who makes the call for you to arrive at that title? Are all good persons who go to heaven angels? My mother believes very strongly in them, and with due cause. I believe her "GA" for lack of a better term, is my sister. I think that the term does not matter. Guardian Angel, spirit guide, honored ancestor, totem animals, saints - whatever the term, don't they all arrive to do basically similar things? I believe demons can be placed in this category as well - the exception being that they want you to take a darker path and are more forceful about it. I have chosen not to address the possession/wanting to exist on our plane topic, in fear of derailment.


Please do not misinterpret my debate as argumentative. I acknowledge that I do not have all the facts on this and have never really dissected it, I welcome any and all points, counterpoints, and questions. And forgive my long windedness, I prefer to be thorough.


Lastly, a question for Boo:
Does his visage frighten you? Is he the prototype for what you would imagine such a creature COULD look like? In what I have learned, some demons are not pleasant in appearance, and will assume the form of something more acceptable - to deceive or at the preference of the conjurer. Do you not think this could be possible with angels as well?

Does this entity make you feel safe and happy when it's around? You have no feelings of negativity about it at all?

Instead of thinking about what it looks like physically, tell us more about how you feel when it is around you.





[edit on 4-10-2007 by elaine]

Originally posted by Trask
s4G:
Motives? I am not sure.

I believe the motive is clear. Divide and conquer. In your account it sounds like division is its specialty. Demons hate it when family comes together because its enemy is love, compassion, forgiveness, togetherness, sharing, etc. It's a logical point of attack especially when there are some who are protected.

Originally posted by Trask
As I said, I have been aware of "something" for as long as I can remember. Wouldn't it have made it's move by now?

Asking this is akin to asking a zoologist "When does a rattlesnake strike?" The answer is, "when it is confident it can deal a final blow"

Originally posted by Trask
It has by no means spared me from all harm. My life has not been all happiness and cupcakes and bunnies and getting my way. FAR from it.

I'm with ya. If you find the cupcakes and bunnies route, feel free to let us know . (Ironic verbage actually because I like to bake and have a pet rabbit. I know what you mean though)

Originally posted by Trask
It seems to keep any real damage from coming to me/my children, though. Too many last second saves, and wow-that-could-have-ended-REALLY-badly things to dismiss.

In the case of the hat, keys, various objects, it seemed more reactionary or as a punishment/to irritate "S" and/or "K" than anything else. See, I was held responsible for anything and everything by "S" anyway. Even when he killed my kitten, that was somehow my fault. I don't understand the blame shifting angle you are getting at - perhaps I am dense. Elaborate, please?

When things are missing, out of place or at fault, the first person we tend to blame is our spouse. Then children. Then relatives. I'm sure demons are last on the list.

Originally posted by Trask
It didn't really go into protective mode until "S" started to become abusive/violent.

I am Roman Catholic, "S", Baptist. I go to mass occasionally. A lot of the times I was prevented from going to mass because of the disapproval of "S". He had no interest in attending any sort of service, regardless of denomination. He thinks that all church goers are full of you-know-what.

Not your typical bapist way of thinking, but I guess we all have the right to label ourselves anything we like.

Originally posted by Trask
He dismisses all Catholics as shallow and back stabbing. My oldest was in a Parochial school for a while. Sunday school was attended by my children off and on, both Catholic and non-denominational. Although I consider myself a lapsed Catholic more than anything else at present, I do still attend mass occasionally and my rosary goes everywhere with me. I have casually studied other belief systems but have not committed any of the classic mistakes that invite trouble.

I'm glad to hear you have a Biblical background. The big question is "are you John 3:16"?

Here is how you can find out about your visitor:

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." - 1 John 4:1-3

I'm curious to hear how that spirit responds. The passage is confusing at first, but after a few read-throughs I got it. This is the new international version (which I'm more comfortable with):

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world." - 1 John 4:1-3

I believe the motive is clear. Divide and conquer. In your account it sounds like division is its specialty. Demons hate it when family comes together because its enemy is love, compassion, forgiveness, togetherness, sharing, etc. It's a logical point of attack especially when there are some who are protected.

Our marriage was not one of love, compassion, togetherness, or sharing. (I left out forgiving because I repeatedly forgave him his violence against me) There was no division to be made - it already existed. It did not further the division. This relationship was bad from the onset and I married against my better judgment. But that is a another story for another day.

Asking this is akin to asking a zoologist "When does a rattlesnake strike?" The answer is, "when it is confident it can deal a final blow"

Another answer to the rattlesnake question might be "When it feels threatened or is provoked." That would also fit this scenario, no? And if it was looking for confidence as to when it could have dealt a final blow, it had it's choice of a number of miniature disasters.

I'm with ya. If you find the cupcakes and bunnies route, feel free to let us know . (Ironic verbage actually because I like to bake and have a pet rabbit. I know what you mean though)

I was gonna go with rainbows and glitter and unicorns, but what the hey, ya know?

When things are missing, out of place or at fault, the first person we tend to blame is our spouse. Then children. Then relatives. I'm sure demons are last on the list.

Ironically, once things started disappearing, "Bob" got the blame, not me. Also things breaking/occurring when there was an altercation had a tendency to catch S's attention - a way of warning him that things had gone quite far enough. Also, the children were relatively immune to the ex's anger - S directed it at me.

Not your typical Baptist way of thinking, but I guess we all have the right to label ourselves anything we like.

He did not attend church with any regularity, even growing up. I believe he considers himself non-denominational, or simply Christian at this point. He is happy enough to let the neighbors take the children to church, but does not attend himself. *shrugs* To each his own. I do not believe that one has to attend a specific ritual in a specific local to have congress with God. I hope the ex has found his peace in what ever way that he chooses.

I'm glad to hear you have a Biblical background. The big question is "are you John 3:16"?
Here is how you can find out about your visitor:
I'm curious to hear how that spirit responds.

I was raised Roman Catholic. I attended Parochial School. The Catholic church and I had a parting of the ways when I was confronted with communities that were not much more than women looking at your shoes and rings when you came to mass. Ostracizing people they thought beneath them because they were not in the same tax bracket. So, in a sense, my ex was right. To a degree. My thoughts are that it is a behavior you are going to encounter at church, in the work place, and in social groups. It was unfair in that he made it a blanket statement.

This next part is going to be somewhat all over the place, but bear with me. I have the good fortune to have been raised abroad where I was exposed to many different cultures and religions. They cannot all be wrong and Christianity is the only right. Does everyone else go to hell because they do not believe as prescribed by Minister X? Some seem to think so. I do not. I do not think that we know enough about ANYTHING at all to make that call. How can other religions that have such passionate believers/leaders who do such great humanitarian things be wrong?

I do not put much faith in the Bible as a reference guide. The Bible is a book written by men. These men were surely inspired by God, but men nonetheless and fallible in that his interpretation was subject to his point of view. You have to consider by what motives these men might have been swayed. To be commissioned by God to speak for him and have it recorded for all future generations to follow? Be honest when you think of what that might do to a man, honorable intentions or no. How many things things in the Bible have been changed to modernize them? Whose interpretation of the Bible is correct? I believe, at best, it is a guideline rather than a rule. I think that is requires a great deal of audacity to imply that you speak the word of God. That takes serious cojones. No one knows who is right until the time comes. Unfortunate, perhaps.

So, while I appreciate your efforts, your advice will do me no good. I truly do. You took the time to sit and offer your thoughts and advice. But, while I admire the strength of your conviction, I do not believe as you do. And I liken that to a cross not working to ward off a vampire because "You gotta have faith for that to work, Mr. Vincent!". I do not address "Bob". I do not implore him to do my bidding or ask him to perform parlor tricks. I do not ask him to find lost objects or predict the future. I've never felt the need to confront him. It's never influenced me to do any one thing or another. I do not feel the need to become an evil-doer. And I must repeat again, that it never drove a wedge between myself and anyone else. It's never been an issue. It simply is.

p.s. I realize that I have used "it", "him" and "Bob" when referring to the ....something and that it's ...confusing?

Originally posted by Trask
To be commissioned by God to speak for him and have it recorded for all future generations to follow? Be honest when you think of what that might do to a man, honorable intentions or no. How many things things in the Bible have been changed to modernize them? Whose interpretation of the Bible is correct?

Can I send U2U since this is off topic? The short answer is when you have a connection with God, you can verify anything you like. The Bible, those who are representing God, etc. Since this was the response to "Are you John 3:16?" I presume the answer is no.

Originally posted by Trask
I believe, at best, it is a guideline rather than a rule. I think that is requires a great deal of audacity to imply that you speak the word of God.

Yes it does, but He tells us to.

Originally posted by Trask
So, while I appreciate your efforts, your advice will do me no good.

If you're convinced of this I have no doubt its true. I think per your rattlesnake response the question is, "What are you defending and why?"

Originally posted by Trask
I truly do. You took the time to sit and offer your thoughts and advice. But, while I admire the strength of your conviction, I do not believe as you do.

My job isn't to direct others to my beliefs, it's to help them establish their own connection with God.

Originally posted by Trask
And I liken that to a cross not working to ward off a vampire because "You gotta have faith for that to work, Mr. Vincent!". I do not address "Bob". I do not implore him to do my bidding or ask him to perform parlor tricks. I do not ask him to find lost objects or predict the future. I've never felt the need to confront him. It's never influenced me to do any one thing or another. I do not feel the need to become an evil-doer. And I must repeat again, that it never drove a wedge between myself and anyone else. It's never been an issue. It simply is.

As superstitious as you seem the cross is, others would say your relationship with "Bob" is too mere superstition. I'd not be quick to elevate one's own status above another's belief without complete comprehension of both situations.

Originally posted by Trask
p.s. I realize that I have used "it", "him" and "Bob" when referring to the ....something and that it's ...confusing?

You're honing in and realizing you're doing it. It happens the more often 'weird stuff goes down' and you get used to it. Sometimes you're on target, sometimes it takes refinement. I think were I was 'off' was thinking that you may be receptive to the idea that this entity requires critical analysis and testing instead of blind acceptance.

Hello,

I got to admit...demoniac's are very intelligent beings, and they score points by damaging human spirits. To my knowledge, they are easy avoided by "faith" and ofcourse asking a simple question..."Who is your father"...they can not say "jesus" if there a true demon. I have fought numoruos demons in my life, some were the result of playing with a ouiiji board as a kid, others were present at investigation sites and had used a senitive to portal through, which to me is a scary situation, being you don't know if they will get violent or not. I was a victom of one demon who scratched my neck in a outburst of hate because im a minister. Demons are real and do exist in this world. My advice to you Boo, if your religuos, ask it who it's father is...(not creator, this is a easy lie for them) and if it beats around the bush or changes the subject...get rid of it!

Trask
How nice to hear your story, muchly appreciated. And don't be worried if you feel you are butting in, you're not. I welcome any input, I'm finding this all very interesting. As to your question of looks, I know to others he looks ugly and evil/demonic, because I have formed his head in clay, also sketched him, and that is what everybody I have shown has said. Personally, I don't give a flying **** what anybody or anything looks like, so to me he just looks familiar. Personally I think that if the beautiful beings known as Angels exist, they would hold far more suspicion of being evil to my mind. Beauty is an external mask for these angelic creatures, appearances can be deceptive, no? I don't trust this 'Demon' of mine, nor would I trust an angelic looking being that appeared in the same manner.

Elaine, if your question was directed at me, no, I have no feelings of negativity when he is around, I am ambivalent I would say. The way Trask described the feeling of 'oldness' while their own entity is around, is perfect, I understand what they meant by that, its very fitting. I get a feeling from it not of any kind of ego, bad or good. Have you ever been in a really, really old growth forest, and found a tree that looks to have been there since the world formed, and you can feel a kind of presence about the tree, as if it is in some way sentient. I get the same sort of feeling from the 'Demon', and it doesn't make me afraid, or trusting, sort of just calm.

A question for Saint4God and Scipp
What makes you think that if you asked a 'Demon' a question, it would tell the truth? That honestly seems like a ridiculous concept to me. Isn't 'Satan' the so called god of lies? If that is the case, I would imagine a lot of what is written in the 'Holy' book could be a little bit suspect, hmm odd concept, but look how many people follow that blindly, scary really when you think about it. And S4G I really think you shouldn't u2u anyone in this discussion, being the one who posted this thread, I would like to hear what comes out of the discussion, it may be off on a tangent, but thats good, thats how humans think. Feel free to tangent away where everyone can enjoy it.

lee anoma and llpoole
I don't think you understood what I was saying there. Here's a thought about that tiger. Humans have a liking for fixing things, yes? How many times have you seen a documentary where a human takes a naturally 'wild' creature that is injured or sick, and rehabilitates it? While they might enjoy this task, and the feeling of satisfaction they get whilst doing it, do you see the tranquiliser gun in their hand, and the cages the tiger is in? A non physical entity can't hurt you physically, otherwise 'Satan' and his minions would have just ripped off all our meaty heads, yes? Instead, they have to use their wiles to garner our souls, that's the rules as set out in the 'Holy' book I believe? You could probably discern by carefully reading my posts that I am not in any danger of falling prey to a clever non-physical trickster. Fear is our biggest enemy, it can make us blind, and careless. I'm not about to sell my soul, ask for any favours, trust blindly, etc. But I won't be scared away, if something feeds from something I have no need for anyway, that just seems cruel to me. It doesn't 'steal my soul' or any other such claptrap, just draws what it needs, and as I have enough emotions to drown in, I can't see why I would be petty enough to smack away saying, "mine."

I think dominating and possessing only works on the unsuspecting. Considering it has been around for over a decade of my life now, and I am not dominated or possessed yet, I guess its a really, really patient 'Demon.' I do hope for its own sake that it's not about to die of boredom.

If it were really a demon I think it would be best not to speak to it at all.

I also think that speaking directly to a demon gives it more power and brings it more fully into our reality.

In this case if you are feeling mentally stable and it's causing you and your loved ones no harm or bad feelings it does not sound very demon-like to me.

Can you put one of your sketches of it up so we can see it? Not that I judge these kinds of things by appearances, but it would be interesting.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe some of us won't think it's as "ugly" as you say.

reply to post by BooBabe


The last part of your post would suggest that your time is of any relivance to something that's immortal. A decade or so for something that is ageless wouldnt strike me as a long enough time to generate boredom. Perhaps thoughts like that will lower your guard and make you a victim. Just food for thought, it all sounds very interesting and Im not sure if I have any real opinion yet.

Demonic Gaurdian.

Demons and Angels are more likely to be rooted in our minds through belief, religion and other sources of pychological conditioning.
As I understand there is no absolute proof or evidence to place these entities of light & darkness into reality.
Many psychological factors - hallucinations, mental disorders, delusions, recreational narcotics, medication, etc are rarely cited as a possible cause when debating this subject.
The bedrock of any subject that has zero indisputable evidence is always counteracted with an hypothesis to clarify and reinforce the belief of an individual. That belief can grow and develop into 'fact' in many cases.
I have yet to be even remotely convinced that the label 'Demon' actually belongs to any entity.
Yes, I believe that negative forces can exist - poltergeists, hexes, etc, but this is likely to be the result of negative essences or conciousness that science cannot yet identify.
Should this (drum roll) Demon factually manifest then I would like to see an image posted on this forum to support this claim. E.V.P. would suffice but something tells me that this is Very unlikely
Convince me and I will happily hand over all my ATS points and I'm certain this will not happen.

"A question for Saint4God and Scipp
What makes you think that if you asked a 'Demon' a question, it would tell the truth? That honestly seems like a ridiculous concept to me. Isn't 'Satan' the so called god of lies? If that is the case, I would imagine a lot of what is written in the 'Holy' book could be a little bit suspect, hmm odd concept, but look how many people follow that blindly, scary really when you think about it. And S4G I really think you shouldn't u2u anyone in this discussion, being the one who posted this thread, I would like to hear what comes out of the discussion, it may be off on a tangent, but thats good, thats how humans think. Feel free to tangent away where everyone can enjoy it."

Hello Boobabe, See a demoniac spirit can't lie to the Almighty Father, for Jesus is the truth and the demon knows this and has no power over him, This is documented thought out the world and honestly to answer your question bout this subject from my opinion and experiances, when you "ask the spirit to tell you it's father name, if it says "jesus", then it's good, but if it can't speak Jesus's name then It's bad", because demonic spirits cringe at the very sound of our fathers name. I have cast many demonics out in my life time and know first hand what there capable of doing.

Originally posted by scipp
Hello,

I got to admit...demoniac's are very intelligent beings, and they score points by damaging human spirits. To my knowledge, they are easy avoided by "faith" and ofcourse asking a simple question..."Who is your father"...they can not say "jesus" if there a true demon. I have fought numoruos demons in my life, some were the result of playing with a ouiiji board as a kid, others were present at investigation sites and had used a senitive to portal through, which to me is a scary situation, being you don't know if they will get violent or not. I was a victom of one demon who scratched my neck in a outburst of hate because im a minister. Demons are real and do exist in this world. My advice to you Boo, if your religuos, ask it who it's father is...(not creator, this is a easy lie for them) and if it beats around the bush or changes the subject...get rid of it!

S/he who has ears, let them listen. Those who have been in these battles can readily identify others who have as well.

Originally posted by BooBabe
A question for Saint4God and Scipp
What makes you think that if you asked a 'Demon' a question, it would tell the truth? That honestly seems like a ridiculous concept to me. Isn't 'Satan' the so called god of lies?

The reason why that passage was written (and I see Scipp verfies) is because a demon cannot lie to say He serves God and Jesus Christ came in the flesh as the son of God. God didn't leave us without a way through deception. If you doubt it, test it. "Test everything, hold on to the good".

Originally posted by BooBabe
And S4G I really think you shouldn't u2u anyone in this discussion,

Strange, I don't see "moderator" by your name. Must be an error?


[edit on 9-10-2007 by saint4God]

Here is a theory. You're completely certifiable and this is nothing more than your brain misinterpreting it's signals and misfiring again and again. Or another theory is that you are an attention floozie looking to get people interested in your story. Here is another theory, you are a pathological liar and you alienated everyone in real life so you come to a forum where you can proliferate your lies to an even grander scale. Here is another theory, you are so old and feeble you think the cardboard cutout in your house is a guardian demon who talks to you and protects you from harm while all other people see is some lady in the throes of serious dimentia.

Those are some possible scenarios to ponder.



Just an fyi I would have given your thread a more serious read if you didn't jump all over the one person taking you seriously and who was trying to help you.

"he was attracted to me as an intense source of food/energy. And no, at this stage, I cannot see the point of 'banishing/exorcising ' him, after all, my survival is my main interest, and if a little suffering along the way ensures that I am guarded from damage or death, I consider that a worthwhile trade."

(BooBabe)

Heres a question for you...."Do you truely love yourself ? "