Element 115 question

reply to scepticsRus

From the way that you immediatly attacked him once he responds make me think that you are on some kinda witch hunt here .... out to provoke a response what you know will get other like-minded individuals to jump on the band waggon turning this in to an anti john lear thread.

I didn’t immediately attack him…….I waited a few posts in then went at him, lol. I shouldn’t joke like that; people like you fail to see humor when it comes to this sort of thing. John is supposed to be an EXPERT in this field, as his good friend Jim Rhodes (spelling?) calls him “an expert investigator and an impeccable, detail orientated observer”. Expert investigator huh? The fact that he does not have the presence of mind to ask for a tape of only the most earth shattering thing that could prove almost everything he claims is true……..WHAT?!?!? Expert investigator? Investigators DOCUMENT things. Especially things that could prove them to be right when making such outrageous claims. Hard to believe after YEARS of investigating this sort of thing, and being considered the top investigator by many, that he comes in contact with some of the most amazing things, people and evidence and does not have the presence of mind to document it? Expert investigator my rear end, sir.

Do i have to remind you that john has never "claimed" anything

ah……………..o.k.

Now, if your conclusions lead you to think that what john is writing is utter rubbish then leave it at that there is no need to continually try to bash the man verbally trying to get others on your side.

Bashing him verbally? Johns got pretty tough skin, and I’m sure he doesn’t see this as verbal bashing. When you make outrageous claims, such as he does, this kind of disbelief is par for the course. Most people who make outrageous claims never seem to be able to back them up, maybe that’s what makes them outrageous. I don’t know. But here is what I am getting at:

John is supposed to be this expert investigator. Top in his field, and respected by his peers. He might be the loudest and outspoken, with the biggest blind following….but top investigator? Other than ordering a bunch of moon photos and outlining “buildings” and “fusion reactors” (LOL) he always seems to be able to distance himself from his own claims. If you don’t know what I mean by this, I will allow others to explain it to you, as plenty of people around here have noticed and have been saying stuff right on this very board about it.

i think that it is VERY probable that we have already been to Mars, not using robots but actual human presence.

Are you sure you understand that probable means more likely than not?

I know that ITF has commented on some of my threads in the past with the comments "they are just rocks .... etc" that may be the case, but that may not be the case .... all we are asking is that you keep an open mind and ask yourself the question ..... what if ????

Yeah, and so has dozens of others. I know it must upset you that most of us don’t see what you see in a pile of dusty rocks, sorry. And I do ask, and wonder, what if? That’s why I am here. That’s why all of us are here. Plus, it’s a discussion board, so when you post a thread, people are going to reply to it. I should hope that you know in advance that not a lot of people are going to see things your way before you post.

On the experiements that john witnessed, if you are not a scientist of some kind you would never realise whats happening, nor would you immediatly appreciate what you are seeing and you are not really going to take notes and gather assumptions or predictions prior to the experiements.

This has nothing to do with John understanding the scientific experiment he was present for. Hell I wouldn’t either. But, my point here, if you have not gathered it by now, is that he didn’t need to. Only needed to document it in an indisputable fashion. I mean, come on…..he was “working” in the presence of something that would prove A LOT of things about ufology could be more than true, lol. What kind of investigator would overlook the importance of “element 115”, you know…the stuff that powers the "alien ships they keep out at Area 51". How could an investigator not be bothered to better document, or get a sample of something that important? So he could go back to outlining mysterious shapes on fuzzy moon pictures and get laughed at by anybody that has common sense, reason and logic? Why, man, why!? Do think for a second if Stanton Friedman had a piece of the Roswell ufo that he is so obsessed about, he would just dismiss it so casually then continue the lecture circuit talking about how he hopes one day the truth will come out? Unless of course that piece of ufo was just made up, or fake….then there would not be the sense of urgency to document it…only talk about it to make yourself look like you are "so close" or closer than the average ufology peon so you can maintain your "cult like" status or paying followers.

I think that the evidance that you insist on having does exist but is continually being supressed by the all the govs involved in the cover ups.
hence any attempt to publish this info will be blocked

Not a chance in today’s non-media controlled environment. Try me, give me the evidence and see if someone could suppress it, lol. That excuse is old, very old, and not well thought out. But it is a convenient one, so nothing you believe can ever be proven.

On the subject of bob having the only copy of the video of the 115 experiement. John, if the tape still exists and is in a viewable state, would there be any possibility of getting a copy of it from bob and putting it onto ATS?

Come on, John is a brilliant investigator, the top in his field according to his peers. He surely would have tried to “get the smoking gun” years ago and couldn’t. Oppps, I stole his thunder. I’ll wait for him to come in here and tell you why he can’t and never will be able to provide this crucial piece of evidence. Of course, a real investigator would have documented the whole process, the whole evening due to the importance of this little piece of material that would darn near prove or disprove everything you stand for and thousands of people blieve in with far less evidence?

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Funny that people that don't agree with what you are saying are so desperate to shut you up though?

Shut him up? No one is trying to shut him up. There is a huge difference between challenging his claims and trying to shut him up. Pity you don't see or understand that obvious, basic reality here. Never the less, we don't want him to "shut up" only to be better able to document and prove his claims, which he has gotten in the habit of stating as darn near fact. That's far from asking or telling someone to shut up. Hell, I want him to talk more......

Look, I know I speak for darn near every "skeptic" on here when I say we desperately want to believe in some of john's claims. We just have a higher standard than those that already believe, who see what they choose to see, want to see, and want others to see. That's not too much to understand, is it?

[edit on 1-10-2007 by IgnoreTheFacts]

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Funny that people that don't agree with what you are saying are so desperate to shut you up though?

I dont think youve really grasped the idea of discussion?

Anyways on to the learning.

Indeed...lets go!

So what is OUR people doing with 115 anyways?

Nothing.... it doesnt exist in any quantity or for any period of time worth noting

I know they want it for anti-grav tech. Can they use it this way? Are they able to get out there not and 'get their own?'

You KNOW ?. I bow to your incredible knowledge sir, could you explain to us mere mortals HOW you know?



I'm assuming that Grays and Lizards get this stuff from the Orion system or some such?


You are assuming that Greys and Lizards exist?
You know what happens when you assume? (I'll let someone else tell him)

reply to post by johnlear


Thanks for the reply John, I appreciate it.

I'm still having trouble getting my head round this part though. I'm sorry if I sound pedantic but, I am, I can't help it

You say your wife doesn't believe your theories, but that she did "know" that you had the element 115. I can't reconcile these two facts. Can you see what I'm getting at?
Again apologies for being pedantic I'm just trying to understand the whole picture.
Thanks again

reply to post by RedEyes


Well to support John on this one.
My wife knows Im a musician (amongst other things) but she bluntly refuses to come to a gig or even listen. Then again I eat her food and I wont go to the supermarket with her. I just cannot see whyit takes 1 hour to buy a tin of Baked Beans!
Wives are funny things really.

Originally posted by Chorlton
reply to post by RedEyes

 

Well to support John on this one.
My wife knows Im a musician (amongst other things) but she bluntly refuses to come to a gig or even listen. Then again I eat her food and I wont go to the supermarket with her. I just cannot see whyit takes 1 hour to buy a tin of Baked Beans!
Wives are funny things really.

But that is completely different to the situation with John and his wife. I think you know that.

If the information John relates is correct then that would change everything that "most" people believe to be true. When John relates this info he sounds utterly convinced ( there must be a reason for this ie seeing/hearing things that utterly convince him ).
Reverse the situation. If it were you who had all this info, and you were as convinced as John seems to be, would you have a hard time convincing your wife?
John himself says that his wife doesn't "buy" his theories, but yet she is aware he had element 115. Surely they are one in the same thing? This is why I'm just having a little trouble processing this particular part of the stroy.
As I say I may be being a little pedantic but I think this is a relevant issue.
I mean, if John had trouble convincing his wife why did he start trying to tell other people ( people that for the most part he doesn't know and hasn't met ) ?
Didn't he think that it would be harder to convince the general public than his wife ?

i]Originally posted by RedEyes

I mean, if John had trouble convincing his wife why did he start trying to tell other people ( people that for the most part he doesn't know and hasn't met ) ?

Didn't he think that it would be harder to convince the general public than his wife ?

Ah! I think I see the problem here. Let me clear something up here RedEyes. You may be confused here. I never tried to convince my wife of anything about this.

Marilee (my wife) is a Casting Director and full member of the Casting Society of America. Her whole life has been movies. She was under contract as an actress to MGM in the early 60’s and did many of the Elvis movies. She played bit parts in Beverly Hillbillies, 77 Sunset Strip and many other TV shows.

She casts movies like Casino, Honeymoon In Vegas, Mars Attacks and hundreds of others. She has a very large computer database with at least 10,000 actors.

She is constantly working on movie projects.

When she isn't busy with that she is waiting hand and foot on out 6 year old grandson. Or cooking. Or gardening.

She doesn't have one spare second to listen to any esoteric explanation of Element 115. She is not remotely interested in that.

We have been happily married for 37 years and the way we stay that way is to stay out of each others hair.

The only time I ever changed her mind about something was the other day I asked her to proof read (man, can she ever proof read) my response to the John Lear Hologram Challenge. She has been a die hard plane hugger. After reading my response to the Challenge and looking at the pictures of the box columns in the World Trade enter through which no airplane ever passed she became a no planer. This was an amazing event because I never set out to change her mind I just wanted her to proof read the post.

As to talking to her or convincing her about Element 115 or flying saucers, that would be like trying to explain or convince the majority on ATS that there is a breathable atmosphere on the moon. It ain't going to happen.

reply to post by johnlear


Hi John

Once again thanks for the response. I think I can finally move on now
Sounds like your wife has quite an interesting background too, I love casino and probably a few more films she has been involved in. If she EVER needs to cast a pedantic young Englishman send her my way. Seriously......

ps 37 years! Well done

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts


Now there goes a guy with a closed mind. I was going to post my comments here to you but thought better of it and will u2u.

Originally posted by johnlear
19 years ago we had 500 pounds that the aliens gave us. We were unable to use it for gravity shielding because the technology, although we understood it, was just too far ahead of us.

So they made a bomb out of some of it. The estimated power of that bomb was to be able to blow up half a continent the size of South America.

If the whole premise of us having a stable isotope of element 115 is true.... ah geez!


"We don't know how to make it work as fuel, it's too complicated."

"Let's use it to blow stuff up, then!"


People suck.

Hello John,


How did you measure the alpha particle to know that it diverted its path, or however you described it?


And how did you get your Coleman lantern mantle to give off alpha particles, anyway? Maybe I missed it.

John, what happened to the element 115 that you and Bob were experimenting with? It seems to me that would prove everything. Makes no sense to have two people who are so desperate to find the truth, let the smoking gun just vanish like that.

Originally posted by b309302
Makes no sense to have two people who are so desperate to find the truth, let the smoking gun just vanish like that.

But it makes complete sense if you approach it from the premise that it is "not true". The convenience of this tactic cannot be over-estimated.

You will never see this sample of "element 115" nor the original video of it. There will always be some excuse or reason they do not have it. It allows them to perpetuate this nonsense.

I know one thing, if I had been involved up to my elbows like John claims, and I made such outrageous claims, knowing full well no one would believe me....I wouldn't just toss off the only bit of physical evidence that would shed light onto the whole ufo thing. I mean, why.....why....?

I have a question regarding the 115 which I would appreciate if you could answer thanks John.

Did Bob or anyone else ever tell you if the "stable" isotope of 115 was completely 100% stable in a way similar to iron or is the term stable a relative one and it merely has a very long half life, akin to commonly used isotopes of plutonium or uranium?

If the later is the case, did you have to take any special precautions whilst working with it to ensure your personal safety?

Originally posted by Johnmike
Hello John,

How did you measure the alpha particle to know that it diverted its path, or however you described it?

And how did you get your Coleman lantern mantle to give off alpha particles, anyway? Maybe I missed it.

I checked this out and what John says is correct. Coleman lantern mantles used to be slightly radioactive! (they contained thorium - the same element now being suggested as an alternative to uranium for safer nuclear power generation)

In a cloud chamber (like a bell jar containing dry ice) it's possible to see alpha particles emitted by the mantle leave traces through the cloud/dry ice.

www.straightdope.com...

Originally posted by Essan
I checked this out and what John says is correct.

While I've done so at other times, I was really just asking him, not interrogating. I didn't say it seemed fake. Just have to make certain that's said.

Originally posted by Essan
In a cloud chamber (like a bell jar containing dry ice) it's possible to see alpha particles emitted by the mantle leave traces through the cloud/dry ice.

I don't understand how you would see it, though. Could one of you explain it to me? Alpha particles so tiny, I don't get it.

O.K. Here what I have been thinking. John, in your recent ATS mix (love those shows, if C2C had any brains they would listen and copy you guys. You should syndicate) you stated that you know where a piece of this "element 115" is, but that it is well hidden and "safe"

Let me get this straight.

This stuff can power a spacecraft for 200 years. It is obviously the answer to the major problem on this planet. Wars are being fought over power generation. People are dying. You are not only sitting on something that could prove you utter nonsense to be correct, but your sitting on something that could revolutionize the world, save lives, and increase the quality of life for every human being on the planet. You must think your really important, sitting on something like this?

Maybe you will come back at me saying that if they went public on this they would all be killed, and it would be suppressed. Bull. Try me. Give it to me. I can guarantee you it wouldn't be suppressed. NOT possible in today's environment. But it is a pretty good excuse if you don't want to come clean.

John, here it is. I'm throwing it down right now. If you know where there is physical proof of this stuff, stuff that would prove a lot of what you say, then bring it on. Otherwise you are nothing but a woo.

If anybody agrees with me on this post, then throw it up. It's time we put our foot down. This guy has admitted to knowing where there is a sample. He is either lying, or incredibly stupid for not pursuing it further, given it's the only thing that can redeem him now. And, come on, he is supposed to be this great investigator?!? Would an investigator sit idly by while the proof he needs is covered up by himself and a few other select individuals?

Again, those of you with common sense, reason and logic need to put the heat on John, don't allow him to cut off with convenient excuses that only gives him the ability to perpetuate this nonsense. John, if you know where proof is, then out with it. Come one man, save the world, lol.

Seriously consider an intelligent response to this, John.

I have some element 190. It will power all nations on earth for millions of years, cure cancer, and leave your breath minty fresh. I have no proof of any of this, and I can't show it to you. It's hidden on a holographic secret space station orbiting an alien moonbase. I'm all for speculating about different things, its what the site is for. John takes it too far and claims to have proof (that always gets lost/stolen/hidden). That in itself is sketchy enough, some people would be kicked off for continuing to do that. However... John gets his own site?!?!?!? What did he do to deserve that? Make up wild stories with no proof at all? Half the people on ATS should have their own site then.

[edit on 4-10-2007 by CTS32]

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
This guy has admitted to knowing where there is a sample.

Has he? Didn't he say he lost it, or that it was stolen? (I.e., standard convenient excuse #1 ).

Anyway, if John Lear does indeed claim to know where a sample of "Element 115" is, then ...

He is either lying, or incredibly stupid for not pursuing it further, given it's the only thing that can redeem him now. And, come on, he is supposed to be this great investigator?!? Would an investigator sit idly by while the proof he needs is covered up by himself and a few other select individuals?

John Lear is not an investigator, he's a believer in the most literal sense.

Seriously consider an intelligent response to this, John.

I don't hold my breath .

Regards
yf