Italian Astronomers stumble upon UFO on the Moon

Originally posted by chickenfeet
this balloon flys in almost a straight line then stops and then takes a hard left and flys in a straight line again

or am i missing something

and about the 747 flying over, lmao

The moon moves about on it's orbit so it appears a stationary balloon appears to be moving to the observer. Add that to wind effects and *voila*, you got yourself a UFO and a bunch of dudes discussing it in ATS in earnest.

I wouldn't be surprised if this Italian dude was the person who released the balloon.

The drifty movements of this object suggest it is more of a hunky-dorrey balloon than a "aliens spacecraft/black ops back engineered saucer/dimensional critters to me.

I'm calling it a MFU : Mundane Flying Object. Sorry, an extraordinary event requires an extraordinary evidence. However, this event is more on the mundane boring reality side. Spaceraft : Nope. Black ops : Nope. Santa claus: nope.

Balloon : Yup.

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Really don't want to step on anybody's toes here - but has anyone had any problems with their computer since you DL'ed a vid of a blob moving across the moon?

I only ask because of the OP's instance (bearing in mind new to the site) pretty much insisted you DL it ~ and you have.

Is it just me or is there a sort of faint but sort of distinct black line on the Google Video link that shows the trajectory of the UFO even before it goes over?

If you can see it there seems to be a faint line that shows the path of the UFO, dont know if anyone else pointed it out, so i guess its just a reminder lol

Originally posted by onthefence81

Originally posted by guyfrom2007


I think this is a definitive evidence of visitation by alien spacecrafts.

81.72.14.47
(visit the link for the full news article)

umm just looks like a black blob to me so how is it defenitive? Could be anything. If it is a craft it does not mean its ET at all... Prove to me that the blob is an alien spacecraft and il pay you $1000,000

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because you have never seen anything like it before therefore it is alien to you its in space ,and um um um crafty people tell lies....i must at least get something .....dam so close .....intresting footage none the less thanks OP

Balloon this, balloon that. Can't we get a new explanation already? At least make your theories more interesting. Change it up a little, be creative jeez...

No way to say for sure what this thing is either way IMO.

Im sorry, my first impression is not balloon when I see this video. In no way am I an expert or am I suggesting alien either. I'd like to see the conclusive evidence of hoax or balloon if indeed thats what it is. I want to see it, not hear about how the astronomer who took this was told by some other astronomer that its a balloon.

I looks to me that it doesn't hold its circular shape the entire time. Some have said blob like. I tend to agree. I was unaware a balloon could slow down, stop, then change direction again. I have to brush up on my balloon videos.

I'm beginning to think the moon is a balloon hmm.

And when did the astronomer who filmed this decide this was a balloon? Before or after he put it on the net? If it was before then why even bother releasing it? If it was after then what does he really think it is?



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reply to post by tyranny22

tyranny, your explanation seems on track, but have a look at the time the shots were taken.



You claim that the shadow has been animated over some existing images. Can you produce the images taken by NASA in THE SAME TIME SLOT? If you can do that and find nothing there, then I can R.I.P!! Case closed!!

Remember, these few frames were taken within a one minute time frame. There are hundreds of photographs taken before and after this 'event', one of which you have shown.

Cheers!

When someone captures an actual alien spaceship floating across the Moon I guarantee you that we will not need to argue about it on a message board... It will be on the front page of everything in the world...

This is not on the front page of anything because it is an unidentified black smudge...

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About the UFO stuff on first page.... sad people.

If you believe in god you have to believe in aliens and UFO's. They are the ones who jumpstarted our race here on earth, written about in genesis. Angel is the translated "shem" or "celestrial/other worldly being". Some aliens being good and some races being evil (demons) that seek to destroy or exploit us (greys). When the bible spoke of there being no aliens, it simply meant there is no life god did not create, or alien to him, thus meaning god made all life, including the angels.

About this movie...

All you have to do is read revelations, better, understand it by cross interpreting it literally with scripture. We can understand revelations perfectly, with a time line, by doing this. Also, god told David (in the book of David) to not to try to figure out the end times (we are in). He said to leave it to the wise ones in the future. At the time of David much of the new testament was not completed, thus keys missing for correct interpretation. Jesus said that all prophecy much coordinate with scripture, that it cannot contradict scripture. There are a few (like 1 or 2) "false predictions" in revelations that should have happened but did not. The world order unfortunately is not a false prediction. President bush is also not aware of the path he is on. He truly thinks that this is what must be done, thus I do not blame him, only the working of demons and the devils influence on the world. Also, this IS the mark of the beast in the link:
www.cnn.com...
CNN (Clinton news network, who are a bunch of fags) play this to be a fun future device that further integrates humans into a functional technological world and that this is necessary. BULL#, this is the mark of the beast, it can be put in the palm, arm, or head, and will be abused by the gov's. Some say its work of demons (evil aliens-greys) attempting to control peoples actions in the end times. Furthermore, you MUST resist getting this chip when it becomes mandatory, along with a single world religion. You will be beheaded if you do, but, god will save you. Any man attempting to save his life here WILL loose it, and man who gives his for god, will save himself (his soul). RESIST THE MARK TILL DEATH. Then, when the anti-christ rein is over, you will come back to earth with god and ride with god on the white horses (in revelations) and destroy the evil inhabitants of the earth. This will be awesome to do! I hope John Browning rides with us. Unleash the .50 cal auto/ .45 ACP upon satan!!

Originally posted by 1337cshacker
Then, when the anti-christ rein is over, you will come back to earth with god and ride with god on the white horses (in revelations) and destroy the evil inhabitants of the earth.

Jeeez!!! I'm packed and ready to go! Headin' for them hills now!!

Originally posted by 1337cshacker

If you believe in god you have to believe in aliens and UFO's. They are the ones who jumpstarted our race here on earth, written about in genesis. Angel is the translated "shem" or "celestrial/other worldly being".

I would love to take your word on it, but do you have some sources or links to back up the claim that the word "Angel" actually means "celestrial/other worldly being?"

reply to post by onthefence81


I think the problem here is it's speed and the fact that it took a sharp left turn. There is this little law of physics called the conservation of momentum. Sharp left turns imply an acceleration and thus a force is applied to the object. Thus unless this is a hoax I would have to conclude the object is artificial and has the means to control it's trajectory.

Very impressive footage im on the fence with this one, with technology advancing ahead we will see more and space bodies for sure... keep looking to space people lol..

This is slightly off topic but relevant still (sound like a politician? lol)

For me I have had no doubts at all about the reality of UFO's in near earth space, and therefore probably on earth too since The Secret Nasa Footage The Smoking Gun. I may be wrong and I admit I haven’t checked all the net etc for this.... but does anyone know of any really credible debunking of that footage, both in the real time and also in what was found in the Nasa CCD footage at extremely high speeds and unobservable to the naked eye?

Anyone here know of such a credible source against this old "outing" as apposed tot he credible sources who were amazed and shocked by it?

Why then the debate if as I believe this has not been debunked at all in any form of credibility?

As far as I can see the "evidence" has been with us for a while... the poster who stated $100,000 there is a nice cable TV producer in Canada who is very eagerly awaiting your cheque. However to be honest the ability of you to actually pay this is about as credible as you see the credibility of this footage, a Lie and spin.

I really would appreciate any of the ATS ers (of credibility) who are up to date and current on this to let me know if I am believing and propagating Ignorance...

Gools, Lear???

As I said I am very positive The proof has been here for a while.

I find this interesting then, this constant new UFO proof, debunking arguing and onto the next... a bit like the heroin and Crack/Cocaine addicts of some of the depoverished metropolitan areas of the world.

In some research even though the % of actual drug strength (due to the multilevel drug trade and cutting and recutting with non drug substitutes)the deals being bought is not strong enough to get the people very high, let alone addicted.
However these people were addicted to the lifestyle not the drug. They were, and are addicted to the Label/Image etc due to peer pressure and societical / self expectations. They however as in placebo experiments got a "buzz" but it certainly wasn’t from the drug (some of the Cocaine and heroin was less than 3-4 % strength, less effective as opiates etc than over the counter Codeine!!!!)

Just think on that they are shooting each other and doing whatever they can risking their lives, committing terrible crimes to buy the most expensive baby teething powder and kitchen cleaner/brick dust in history!!!

The lifestyle had become part of their personality, it made up their and those in their immediate environments global view of who they were.

Now this is interesting enough in itself what is even more interesting though is that when the research was published and the police/drug campaigners spread the information in an attempt to cut down the drug culture, that nothing changed passed a couple of week period. The same murders over drugs, the same Teething powder being sold for $100 dollars a gram or whatever the price.... they saw the truth, it was put in front of their eyes but they refused to accept it or like any addiction whatever the reality of the outside, whatever the warnings, facts and information the addiction (to their ID, personality, paradigm and lifestyle) won as usual... This research was done well over a decade ago, and still it carries on. (now I need to be clear here not all the drugs tested had such low concentration, infact in recent years the average % strength of these drugs has increased due to the CIA's and military involvement in both S.America and Afghanistan!! but there were and are districts at the very bottom of even the poorest areas where this is the case, addiction and destruction by these drugs is real and ongoing indeed growing.)

So I mention this off topic because I am starting to see the whole UFO thing like this, many people propping up their ID's personalities, lifestyles stances etc.... infact I see more of an addiction to this than the real truth... So as I say due to the Following:

The Secret Nasa Footage the Smoking Gun

The Mexican Air Force Footage

The Washington/White House sightings of many years ago

The statements by Ex chief of Staff/Admiral in the UK Lord (hill?)... mmmm what was it... he was Prince Phillips close friend (forgot his name I am in a bit of a rush but anyone who has ever looked into this topic seriously will know who I am on about)

The Rendelshan? (spelling sorry) USAF base incident in the UK

The statements from the disclosure project (only the following) regarding the 2 Minute Man Silo's going offline simultaneously

Can anyone debunk these properly? I don’t think ive seen it done convincingly yet and they are all of the most scientifically proven and beyond reproach testimonies available.

Why then Why the debate..... why scatter the truth??? maybe we should all just keep focusing on what we KNOW has to be UFO's and cant possibly be anything else?

Hey hope I haven’t upset and rattled any Junkies here lol, I’ve worked many years ago in the Drug Abuse field know what to expect ;-)

My thoughts but important in relation to this topic.

In regard to this video very interesting... well a balloon... mmm how? if the telescope was tracking the moon as it moved across the sky the odds of the balloon being just the right distance away from the camera, and travelling in exactly the right speed in the wind to be in front and track the telescopes view of the moon is very very very improbable IMO... though it is improvable and the above aren’t.

Great find good work OP especially in chasing him UP

Thanks

Kind Regards

Elf.

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
In regard to this video very interesting... well a balloon... mmm how? if the telescope was tracking the moon as it moved across the sky the odds of the balloon being just the right distance away from the camera, and travelling in exactly the right speed in the wind to be in front and track the telescopes view of the moon is very very very improbable IMO... though it is improvable and the above aren’t.

That's pretty improbable, as you contend. But just a couple of observations here before we jump to conclusions. ..

1. Perspective is the catch word here. How come the object, if on the Moon, remains the same size over a distance of a couple of hundred miles? It should have attenuated and disappeared in the distance.

2. Notice also that it does not remain parallel to the surface of the Moon near the horizon. It should have followed the curvature of the Moon which it does not. So is it 'climbing' into space in the last couple of frames? Unlikely.

So then as internos had mentioned in one of his posts, the astronomers contend that it may have been a balloon 4 miles high. I tend to agree. Those slip streams at that height could have resulted in the peculiar behavior of the balloon and its speed.

Just my $.02!

Cheers!

Originally posted by mikesingh

So then as internos had mentioned in one of his posts, the astronomers contend that it may have been a balloon 4 miles high. I tend to agree. Those slip streams at that height could have resulted in the peculiar behavior of the balloon and its speed.

Just my $.02!

Cheers!

Besides, he told me that there's an excel file which contains technical data. He told me that to watch at the video without considering that data is useless and deceiving: those data contains the values to be applied to the motion and the appearance of the UFO, and the result after the analisys has been that it was a ballon...etc etc...

Hi Chaps.

This is definitley a balloon! I saw something almost identical to this a number of years ago which I knew for a fact was a balloon, even had the same motion as this. I think our UFO is now an IFO!

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
I'm curious, how many people here "analyzing" this thing own and regularly use a telescope? Some of the things that people are claiming to know on the first few pages clearly indicate they are not remotely qualified to pass as firm a judgment on this video as they are.

I assure you, this is nothing people. You are all so easy to get worked up over something. One black shadow and the next thing you know people are on here crying about disclosure, how the world is "sticking it to America" by no longer "hiding" these things. Gimme a freakin' break, people.

I do- got me own observatory! But then I do agree with you this is clearly a balloon! Patrick Moore has told me that pollen grains in the moon make very convincing UFOs! They were not black like this though!

Hello,

I am the OP of this thread and I am impressed by the responses and comments.

As I mentioned in my original post, I came across this video accidentally when doing a Google P2P search on UFOs to discover any folders shared on computers containing files on UFOs.

When one installs Google Desktop it shares the folders of your hard drive with the rest of the world if you are online most of the time. And when you use certain search strings in google, it randomly throws up these folders as links on the result pages.

I have already listed how I have done this in another post.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Anyway, I found this folder and downloaded the content (zip file) and viewed the video.

And I checked out the other images on the folder and these looked like professional astronomical photography to me.

And thats how I judged that this is the work of a professional astronomer. It was only later that I found that this folder resides in the computer of amateur astronomer from Italy called Alberto Mayer. Yet, the work he has done is quite extraordinary for an amateur.

Then of course his bread and butter is making money by selling these photographs. A Google search on Alberto Mayer will show case his talents and work.

Those who support the UFO hypothesis would argue why would he damage his reputation and risk his bread and butter. What would he gain except ridicule knowing well that his work would instantly circulate on the internet along with his name.

The debunkers would say he was stupid like so many other people and committed a mistake and later regreted.

I would say let us concentrate on the video instead, the packing list of photographs, graphs and other information. Let us ignore who Alberto Mayer was or is.

Obviously he made this packing list to be sent to other serious astronomers. And not simply to UFO organizations. So they can give their judgment on his observations. And most of them have said this is a Balloon in the sky silhouetted against the moons surface.

Alberto Mayer also sent the Video (not the entire packing list) to UFOArea.com to get their response. The response was not encouraging either.

And the story died a natural death until now when I posted it here.

So what made me feel there is something here....

When I looked at the video, I recollected another video taken by our NASA astronauts that I had seen in some documentary about having observed a similar dark ball passing below their spacecraft.

I will try and list the documentary/photograph here later. If someone already has it please feel free to list it.

The other point that makes me believe in the authencity of this video is the manner in which it is presented by the creator. With Data, astronomical background, etc

Then I send this video to Stanton Friedman the renouned UFO watcher and Nuclear Physcist. I got only a reply saying, "What makes you feel this is a UFO". Why did he not debunk it right there. I am still waiting for his response.

I also send the video to other UFO organizations such as MUFON, Disclosure Project, etc No response or debunking from them as yet.

In fact the only UFO organization that published the original report was UFO AREA. No other.


This is very strange. UFO organizations love to publish something as clear as this even before investigating it.

Do they all see a balloon here....I washed my eyes....Hell No.

A Balloon would not move this fast. There is a second close up video that I am not sure if one has noticed. There is no sign of Balloon or Balloon like stuff there.

This is clearly a perfect circular object. Most Astronomical Balloons are not that perfectly circular. If you have seen the other videos taken by NASA space shuttle and so clearly highlighted by David Sereda in his documentary, "The case for NASA UFOS", they look once again so much similar atleast in shape and size.

This object is revolving around itself not blobbing as it seems. And most Fastwalkers or UFOS sh

This object is revolving around itself not blobbing as it seems. And most Fastwalkers or UFOS shot by NASA through the Space Shuttles more advanced cameras show the same thing. A revolving disk moving fast across the earth and then disappearing over the horizon.

Another thing to note and very important is the speed of the object. It is not constant. It slows and then speeds up. It is variable. A stupid astronomer with basic cgi skills would certainly not be able to create a variable motion object and then superimpose so accurately over a video of the moon. The speed of the object would be the same across its path.

The other thing that convinces me that this is more than just a balloon or a hoax is that this guy Alberto did not go all out of his way to propogate his video as I did. He showed it to professional astronomers, they said it was a balloon and he shut up.

So why would anyone hoax something and then shut up? If I would have created a hoax like this, I would have posted it at every other forum to gain notice.

So obviously the recording is real and Alberto did not use CGI to manipulate something on the original video.

My final observation is that no matter how credible a video would be and who takes it, debunkers will always find a way to debunk and discredit it. When people claim that the moon landing was a fake what more can be believed?

So, it is a matter of faith. If you believe our planet is visited by Alien spacecrafts then this is certainly a great video that provides some definite evidence of some unnatural object being photographed moving across our moon.

If you are one of those who would want to be able to sit on one of those spacecrafts once it has landed on the lawns of the white house and then say, "Ya they are for real", then you would never be able to accept anything else as possible evidence.

I am somewhere in between these two extremes. I am not saying this video is proof of alien spacecraft. I posted this as evidence of alien spacecraft. It is for experts to prove me wrong. Now, when I say experts these experts have to be neutral not debunkers and NASA kooks who smear their own pictures before releasing them to the public.

www.rense.com...

This is an interesting article on how truth can be distorted by professional organizations.

Do I say more....I believe this video is not a hoax and that is why i presented it here.

Originally posted by mikesingh
reply to post by tyranny22

 

tyranny, your explanation seems on track, but have a look at the time the shots were taken.

You claim that the shadow has been animated over some existing images. Can you produce the images taken by NASA in THE SAME TIME SLOT? If you can do that and find nothing there, then I can R.I.P!! Case closed!!

Remember, these few frames were taken within a one minute time frame. There are hundreds of photographs taken before and after this 'event', one of which you have shown.

Cheers!

Where's the archive located at? I've tried JPL and NASA and can't find the image archive, but no matter. I an not familiar with the format in which those pictures show the date and time. Looks more than suspect to me.

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