Italian Astronomers stumble upon UFO on the Moon

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A balloon? In a vacume? Presumably with a little directional ion-booster engine, then? Under remote control?

Forgive me, I've no idea what I'm talking about.

Dear Santa, this christmas I would like...

Originally posted by omnicron
So it's a balloon. GOOD. A hoax. A normal ho-humm mundane explanation.

So it settles it then. It's not a alien spacecraft. GREAT. I feel better.

This thread should be marked [HOAX]

No, it shouldn't to be labeled as a hoax, IMHO:
the author NEVER stated it was a spaceship, so actually is not a hoax.
Simply, this guy shared it because he didn't know what it was.
It should be labeled as HOAX if he'd uploaded i.e. on youtube claiming it was an alien spaceship.

Op, you made a very good find, thank you for sharing it and keep on looking for this stuff.

Originally posted by limousinemouse
reply to post by internos

 

A balloon? In a vacume? Presumably with a little directional ion-booster engine, then? Under remote control?

Forgive me, I've no idea what I'm talking about.

Dear Santa, this christmas I would like...

Since it never changed direction, most likely little directional booster nor engines were needed.
So far, we still don't know what kind of balloon it was.

[edit on 26/9/2007 by internos]

Sorry, ok. I gettit. But I still don't. So you're telling me you can focus these telescope/camera things on a lump of rock 384,403 kms away and it will still pick up the sillouette of a balloon 4 miles away? Lucky a 747 didn't fly over, the guy would have got the shock of his life.

Originally posted by limousinemouse
Sorry, ok. I gettit. But I still don't. So you're telling me you can focus these telescope/camera things on a lump of rock 384,403 kms away and it will still pick up the sillouette of a balloon 4 miles away? Lucky a 747 didn't fly over, the guy would have got the shock of his life.

HE told that really he hadn't idea about what it could be before the assestment.
In fact, even the french astronomer requested the technical data in order to assest altitude-position-size.
I still wonder: what ballon could it have been?

[edit on 26/9/2007 by internos]

It's a tiny balloon. I have seen videos of airplane passing the moon on a telescope before. The size roughly corresponds to that of a balloon. And the fuzziness of is similar to the dot on the video.

So if you guys say it is an advanced alien spaceship, so why is it making movements unlike the ones reported in UFO sightings (fast right angle turns).
Unless those other reports are fake too (GASP!)

It moves much like a balloon IMO. It's a dot, people, A DOT. No alien craft, no military black ops funded back engineered 'Bob Lazar' alien craft by our gubbermint, just a normal, boring, everyday ho-humm party balloon got caught up in an Italian scope.

Move on folks. Nothing to see here...

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I agree. The OP chosen the best option when he decided to post it.
It's an intriguing video, far MUCH better than ayt least the 50% of the ones which have been posted here in the last week.



[edit on 26/9/2007 by internos]

Flipping heck, that's crap.

That's like some guy on the observation deck of a battleship running below screaming about a giant incoming wasp.

Crap. crapcrapcrap.

Santa, I still want a balloon with little ion boosters that floats in a vacume, though. With remote control. Preferably pre-delivered (to the moon, that is).

I hope these Astronomer guys get back to us. One should never so easily dismiss these things on such slight explanation. There are people that would love you to do that (and indeed work very hard to try and make it so)...

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Those reports aren't all fake. I've seen one do just that (when we least expected it). It's a simple case of 'you had to be there', though, I'm afraid.

Anyway, nuff said. Nighty night all.

this balloon flys in almost a straight line then stops and then takes a hard left and flys in a straight line again

or am i missing something

and about the 747 flying over, lmao

This is certainly an interesting video, one of the better
ones I've seen on ATS, that's if it isn't a hoax of course.

I would just like to add my brief thoughts..


Maybe we're seeing an object bend or distort light.

Maybe the object normally floats on the black background.

Airplane passing in front of the moon:
www.youtube.com...



Now lets compare this airplane, assuming a worst case altitude (for the smallest airplane against the moon size) of 35,000 feet. Also assume a worst case for a standard sized balloon altitude of around 1000 feet. The balloon can also be a weather balloon, but these fly at higher altitudes.

The altitudes matter because if something is close to the telescope, it appears larger of course...

Lets see if we can analytically determine if a balloon is the object at question instead of guessing...please see the airplane video above for comparison

A point to remember is that if the telescope is tracking the moon while recording a video, anything relatively stationary between the telescope and moon will appear to move across the face of the moon when viewing the video.

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WHO is "guessing"?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by IAttackPeople
A point to remember is that if the telescope is tracking the moon while recording a video, anything relatively stationary between the telescope and moon will appear to move across the face of the moon when viewing the video.

That's EXACTLY what the guy who filmed the UFO told me in his mail.
He noticed only a few changes of speed.


[edit on 26/9/2007 by internos]

Well After reading all 6 pages of this thread , Here are my thoughts on this film.

Agreed , this is one of the better "unidentified" flying object video's I have seen.
I don't believe it is a hoax or a fraud. At the time of the posting , the object was unidentified by the OP. After email conversation with the film maker it has been discovered to be an balloon. Either it is a balloon or the film maker has been pressured to claim it is one.


The balloon assessment fits very well , with the exception of the focus on the object.

IF the film maker / astronomer was pressured to claim this is just a balloon. and I mean BIG IF. then we can speculate all we want to and nothing will be proven either way.

One theory I have about the whole thing that deals with the shadow/ lack of shadow is that the object at an such an altitude above the moon's surface that a shadow wouldn't be cast.

As it is right now , I am leaning more to believing the astronomer and his assessment then some " say this or die" conspiracy.

I have been reading the 6 pages of posts and i like many of you dont have a clue to what it is, its a great ideo, what i have been watching and laughing at is the deunkers, dont get me wrong i think its wonderful that eeryone shares their opinions, what made me laugh is it started with one debunker, he was shot down a little he came back with another reply then he was joined by another and the stronger the thought of a ufo the more they increased in number, it was almost like someone got scared that their debunking plan was going south and asked for help, has been pretty entertaining for me,

However because i dont have a clue does not mean i think its a balloon, a friend of mine who was watching said she didnt think a balloon would stay inflated at those altitudes almost like putting a balloon in a freezer it deflates as the air freezes,

Balloon...interesting hypothesis... Of course it is not proven because there is no collaborating evidence such as statements from people who have seen it elsewhere in the direction astronomer was pointing his telescope; or people who have launched that balloon.
Either should not have been hard to find out at the time, instead we have bunch of other people just like here toss in their theories and then some scientist from France asking for numbers to crunch.

In any case, let me remind everyone that not so long ago (just few decades) most people believed that strange lights in the sky they were seeing and could not explain were simple swamp gas and reflections of Venus. And to believe that those were some unexplained flying vehicles, what a ruse.
I'm glad that everyone has grown up since then, today we all know these things cannot possibly be swamp gas and Venus - they are weather balloons.

I'm curious, how many people here "analyzing" this thing own and regularly use a telescope? Some of the things that people are claiming to know on the first few pages clearly indicate they are not remotely qualified to pass as firm a judgment on this video as they are.

I assure you, this is nothing people. You are all so easy to get worked up over something. One black shadow and the next thing you know people are on here crying about disclosure, how the world is "sticking it to America" by no longer "hiding" these things. Gimme a freakin' break, people.

Maybe Marc Ecko decided to blast Barry Bonds' homerun ball into space after all and that is what we are looking at?

Oh a balloon. Thought it was an aphid myself one of this vine sucking ones with multiple legs. tried to find a pic but they are all from above none from below.

I find it very interesting. People are going to see and believe what they want to . To some its a balloon and others some sort of craft casting a shadow on the moon. I for one am a die hard debunker but the balloon theory has too many holes in it for even me to believe. I saw the airplane footage and it didn't cast a shadow on the moon but this object does cast a shadow. That alone tells me it was close to the moon far closer than the plane, thats for sure.

With more and more country's advancing there space programs we are going to see many more videos like these coming out. I cant wait for a more consensuses (sp) country land on the moon and put all this UFO and moon bases to bed once and for all.

Now many may attack me on this but in the bible it talks about watchers. These watchers live in the heavens. In the book of Enoch some 200 came down and stirred up all kinds of crap which resulted in them getting locked up until judgment and the rest of the world getting flooded. Could these crafts that are being seen tools of these watchers? I have no idea nor do I make any claims to it being true. One thing I do find interesting is Jesus compared the last days to Noah's time. He could have used any other sinful time but he chose that one. The descending of these watchers to earth were unique to that time alone. I find it interesting that UFO sightings are on the rise and most of the worlds population believe in ET's.

Now again for those who just breeze through a post and totally miss the point. I'll spell it out slowly, I don't believe this is the case but it is one belief and it could shed light onto all these so called artifacts on mars and the moon plus the UFO sightings we are seeing. I'm not that tunneled visioned in my thought process to believe all UFOs are faked or CGI, Venus and swamp gas, oh ya lets not forget balloons. I haven't seen any concrete proof yet, but I have seen enough evidence to make me less likely to cry HOAX. Hell killers aquited with far less evidence than what I have been shown on this site. Somethings going on be it alien or man but something is happening of that I'm convinced.

kudos's to the OP for finding the video and being brave enough to post it knowing the nah sayers and hoaxers would come out in force. Good work.