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"I do apply occums razor to this. After ruling out pancake collapse and every other 911 theory"
Originally posted by illuminatinatifofotty
Forget the towers, you can't even logically explain how somebody would go about 'stashing' a couple tons of jet engine right under everybody's noses.
Because like the rest of your suspicions, it flat out lacks common sense.
Indeed it has been throughly studied and even physics professors from MIT have stated the Pancake collapse is Bull. Along with many civil engineree that are PE certified.
And why is the matter of how the engine was stashed more important to you then the other details
Originally posted by illuminatinatifofotty
Because like the rest of your suspicions, it flat out lacks common sense.
Originally posted by infinityoreilly
Yes, common sense. Who would be incharge of placing said jet engine, and how do you get it in position without being noticed. illuminatinatifofotty you have definitly brought something to this arguement.
Originally posted by illuminatinatifofotty
Aside from that (as with the downed lamp posts over at the Pentagon)...
Also 2 police officers at the gas station back up that the plane was not near the lamp post.
Its just too bad we have no reports from the FBI or NTSB that the aircraft parts match any of the 9/11 planes.
Also the Flight Data Recorder from Flight 77 shows it was not near the lamp post at the Pentagon.
Originally posted by illuminatinatifofotty
Sure they do, 757 parts of identical make up were found all throughout the Pentagon (green Boeing primer on the debris, the correct Roll's engines, landing gear, double-rimmed commercial airline rims, portions of the fuselage, cockpit internals, on and on
So I'm wondering, what makes you believe that the information from the flight data recorder hasn't been tampered with as well?
Photos of plane parts is not evidence they are from a 757 or flight 77. We need the official reports from the FBI and NTSB that match the parts to flight 77, otherwise we do not really know what hit the Pentagon.
Also we have not seen any actual videos or photos of flight 77 hitting the Pentagon, the builidng has cameras and near by builidngs have cameras?
So you would rather believe what the media says then the information from the flight data recorder? What makes you believe the information from the media is correct?
Originally posted by illuminatinatifofotty
Okay, so when do we start trusting those government agencies all of a sudden conspiracy theorist? Let alone reports from them considering this supposed vast conspiracy? Let me guess, the only data that should be considered authentic would be any little convenient piece that you can cherry pick if it aids your 'theory' in whatever way. Which isn't really correct considering you don't even have a theory.
Well I sure have. I can make the plane out in two frames from that gate cam (there's great evidence pointing to that in the form of a scale recreation which I've already linked up to here.)
I believe what the overwhelming body of evidence points to. In other words; simple logic is what I believe in.
Well i believe the actaul evidence that can be verified through trusted professioanl and government research sites.
What body of evidence? What actual facts and evidence do you have?
I would love to see these 2 frames that you state you can see a 757.
Originally posted by illuminatinatifofotty
Here we go, again! So how would you know which government web sites, agencies, and 'actual evidence' you could rely on? Especially since it's your own working 'hypothesis' that the government is behind 9/11 itself?
It's a tad premature here for you to start practicing your fantasy courtroom paranoia on me. First of all (even in some kangaroo court) -- those are the questions you are going to have to answer with plaintiff!
"I never stated the government is behind 9/11 there is not enough evidence to suppot that."
the government had plenty of prior warnings and either failed to stop it from happening or let it happen."
Originally posted by illuminatinatifofotty
Now here's where the fork in the road begins with me and you -- "failed to stop it, or let it happen.' Which one do you suppose is more likely the case here? Let's face it, you for whatever reason don't believe that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. So obviously you believe in the latter. Correct?
Such as all of the physical evidence of flight 77 winding up obliterated within the Pentagon itself. In other words, guys like this (from your favorite agency)
Or more importantly, the close to 80 or more direct eyewitnesses that will testify in direct opposition to you of a plane in fact impacting the Pentagon. Let alone the phone call placed aboard flight 77 from Mrs Olson, in fact confirming a hijacking of flight 77 occuring. One in where she places the pilot and co pilot to the rear of the aircraft while these mid eastern hijackers are in fact at the controls.
Here's the best part Sherlock. When we apply the simple formula of scale measurement that is grounded in this reality to it all, here's what we learn: We discover that the object in question is of the exact dimensions of flight 77 including the distinct tail section!
Good luck with all of that by the way.
Well if the agencies invovled failed to stop it that would mean they were pretty incompetent. NORAD is a very professional....
Please show me this evidnece with FBI or NTSB reports to support that it is 757 parts and from flight 77. If you cannot you have lost your case.
You mean the witnesses who could not tell what type of plane it was. The ones that some admitted later did not know what hit the Pentagon they were told later it was a 757? Your so called eyewitnesses would be destroyed in court.
What training have you had in avaition that you use for scale measurement did you use. Can you show the exact figures?
...And you find it hard to believe that a fully armed F-16 wasn't in the air within minutes on that day? And you supposedly have so much knowledge into the inner workings of aviation, that you don't understand that it isn't a matter of some balding 'gent' at ATC picking up the 'red phone' and piping 'send in the F-16's, we have a hijacking going on.' It simply doesn't work that way my friend.
Delays are inevitable, especially on 9/11 with the mass confusion and chaos going on within those couple of hours.