The Greatest lie ever told - The Bible

reply to post by gravytrain

use your own common sense and knowledge. Stop bickering and start doing. Live your faith, dont preach your faith.

I do.

Oh, I did not know this discussion was bickering.

My faith is exercised daily, sometimes to the extreme, it is a part of who I am.

Isa 61:1 "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me,
Because the LORD has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;

Luk 4:18 "The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;

Also, “blessed are you when men persecute you”.

My mind is full and peace needs no master.

reply to post by gravytrain


Everybody has an opinion but, some offer no basis for their beliefs. I have yet to see a non believer of the Bible post his thought with references other than saying that the Bible is wrong. You were not born in a bubble fully equipped with knowledge, so it had to come from somewhere, and you certainly did not birth yourself. Why not present your ideas without bashing the beliefs of others. It reads as though they don't want anyone to believe in the Bible or the life of Jesus.

My opinion is that most people that stop believing find out the world is a lie not the Bible, and then can't cope so they have to have a reason and someone or something to blame.

Originally posted by SoFunkyMe
show me proof that all that is tru u have proof that there is god were? we need proof for everything well thats how i live

The mere fact that you are alive is proof that God exists. Whatever you want to call him, it's up to you, but he exists. The Bible was written AND translated by man. Man is not perfect by any stretch of the word but the bible must also not be taken absolutely literally. It is a teaching. What we have also realized is that when we learned in school, well most of us (spelling and grammar excluded for) most, 30 years ago has changed.

The bible written say 2000 years ago also has had things change BUT when it was written was pretty accurate. So take from it what you will - and it will still be changing in another 1000 years as will all the teachings in school and the things we know as scientific fact will also change.

That's the way of the world - NOT the bible.

As an atheist, the comments stated here are identical to comments I made...and every bit as vicious. I made statements like "well who asked him to die?!"

It seemed to me the whole Jesus thing was the stinking wrench in the works and the greatest hindrance to mankind being at long last released from such repression, to reach that higher paradigm, to be freed forever from the opeate of the masses.

And though I was rotting on the inside, apathetic, dead, and so empty, even so, mention anything about God, Jesus or the Bible and I would rise up the most righteously indignant, arrogant, vicious intellectual since Albert Pike.

"I'm not a moron like you ( I would yell) I don't need some myth to lean on! I face the truth... that there is nothing after this! This is all there is. We came from nothing, and we're returning to nothing, and none of it meant a d--- thing in between except what I might have imagined...and that merely by random interaction of chemicals and electrical sparks in my brain."

So eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow you die.

Yeah, I know all about that perspective.

And I'm just passing through here. What I'm about to say will only draw more hatred.. because I remember just how it is.

But when I was on that side of the argument, I never heard anyone who was attempting to defend the Bible show me Isaiah 53.

I'll have to do this in 2 posts.

"The bible is true and contains no lies."


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I just wrote a book. I'm calling it, "Omens Prophecies" and it states how The Omen created life on this planet - by turning a turnip upside down and sneezing on it. There you go, thats the truth I'm not lying

Originally posted by shearder

Originally posted by SoFunkyMe
show me proof that all that is tru u have proof that there is god were? we need proof for everything well thats how i live

The mere fact that you are alive is proof that God exists. Whatever you want to call him, it's up to you, but he exists. The Bible was written AND translated by man. Man is not perfect by any stretch of the word but the bible must also not be taken absolutely literally. It is a teaching. What we have also realized is that when we learned in school, well most of us (spelling and grammar excluded for) most, 30 years ago has changed.

The bible written say 2000 years ago also has had things change BUT when it was written was pretty accurate. So take from it what you will - and it will still be changing in another 1000 years as will all the teachings in school and the things we know as scientific fact will also change.

That's the way of the world - NOT the bible.

Ok Ok,
The fact that the Universe is soo big proves there has to be aliens, the fact that 911 could have been done by the bush admin, proves it was them.
Christians are just mind controlled slaves to the clever blokes who wrote the bible to make money. How would they know what to write? Did god speak to them? Dont think so, as far as I'm aware, the bible is just stories passed throught the years, hundreds of years! There is no way that the stories, in the bible are 100% accurate so that means that it was probably made up or only half true. Jesus probably existed but he wasn't the son of god. He saw a market and made some money from exploiting peoples fears, which is all the church does now and throughout history, it plays on peoples fear of death.
Peace out! Hail Satan

Even if you want to say, as they say about all the books of the Bible, that Isaiah didn't write it, and it was written years and years after Isaiah. Still, no matter where you want to place it... it was before Jesus was born.

Now Isaiah is in the Torah, the Jew's Bible, which is the Old Testament to the Christian. And the Jews do not recognize the New Testament or Jesus, even though the Christians have put the 2 testaments together. The Jews are still expecting their Messiah to come. And it is in their Torah that they read about that coming.

But in Isaiah 53, we have a strange series of verses that talks about things that are what have become Christian standards in describing Jesus and the thing He accomplished on the earth...

He is despised and rejected of men
he was despised and we esteemed him not
surely he hath borne our griefs
smitten of God and afflicted
but he was wounded for our transgressions
he was bruised for our iniquities
the chastisement of our peace was upon him
and with his stripes we are healed
and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all
yet he opened not his mouth
he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter
and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off(means killed)
for the transgression of my people was he stricken
he made his grave with the wicked and with the rich in his death

And I will write the last verse in full...

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

In the New Testament all this was fulfilled by none other than Jesus. What is above sounds like so many Christian hymns, and yet it was written long before Jesus was even born.

Some of you who seem to defend the Bible, do worse than the ones who are ignorant of it when you say, oh well, the Bible shouldn't be taken literally.

The book of Psalms, no matter again, of who, what or when it was written, for my own part I know David and Isaiah, as well as every author from Genesis to Revelation, wrote it, but anyway... one last verse in Psalm 2:7 that is quite incredible...

"the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

Hundreds of years later... this was fulfilled.

Yeah, yeah, I know. You prefer the DaVinci version.

Strange thing, in the inner chambers of the Masonic lodge, they believe Lucifer and Jesus are brothers. But they call Jesus the great repressor... and Lucifer the great liberator.

I'll let you hash it out. Choose life, yeah?

Jesus wasnt god son. Jesus were the adopted son of the deified Julius Caesar was known as "divi filius" (son of god). If you search a littlebit you will see that in Caesar's Book of Life many names are exactly the same like in the bible mentioned in bound with Jesus.

reply to post by Quantum_Squirrel


I was wondering, since Squirrel doesn't seem to have any sources to back up his claims where his/her information comes from. Also, I am curious as to Squirrel's education level due to the numerous spelling and grammatical errors throughout.

thanks!

The books of the bible were hand chosen with some books left out.
Some were not even discovered till after the bible was assembled and yet a revision of the bible hasn't been attempted and you HAVE to ask yourself why that is. Why leave our portions?
To me the reason why it hasn't been revised, accept to make the translation modern and for picture versions that further degrade the true meaning of what it was SUPPOSED to be, is because if every book written that was supposed to be a part of the assembled bible was actually in there then the power and knowledge of what God truly is would shift more away from the esoteric to the self.
Jesus existed, but his teachings have been exploited for good and bad but the other religions outside of Christianity teach about a god as well. Is it the same god? Did every religion have a Jesus that was crucified as an example of love?
of course not. Yet Christians/Catholics.. whatever group you want to be a part of NOW ... just has to spread the word in the same way America has to spread democracy.
By literal force as history has shown in some cases.


I do not think the bible is a lie.
What I think is a lie is HOW it's been taught.

The truth is in there, but unfortunately unless the whole truth is added then YES, the bible a "white lie" but not an outright lie. It was twisted on purpose. JUST enough to leave the power of the unknown and into the hands of the people that "know" and who will "teach" you.

Every religion has a piece of the great puzzle and generally has a great book as a physical example of that piece of the puzzle..
YOU have to put them all together.





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Originally posted by Gorman91

Originally posted by Havalon
What army? Early Christians were hated by all. The only army would be the one sent to kill them. After the Romans corrupted it for 1000 years, then that happened.

I think you perhaps missed the irony in my post!
First off the Pagans would not know what a christian was if it bit him on the bum!
They quickly found out what a Roman soldier was though, then came the Papal army of priests to do the 'converting'. First up get rid of the exsisting religion by 'claiming' the holy sites, second up scare them into believing by showing them that it is a 'vengeful' God. (Use the ten commandements as an example and 'smite the unbelievers in the name of the first 6 commandements, after all 'we are only doing Gods bidding')

Exodus 20:2-17

1) I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;

2) You shall have no other gods before me.

3) You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

4) You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,

5) But showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.

6) You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.


4 and 6 being the justification for a good hiding!

[edit on 25-9-2007 by Havalon]

reply to post by Havalon


HAHA! 4 totally contradicts the bibles teachings, Jealosy is a deadly sin no?
7. I am a stupid god, a silly little stupid god

HAHA!

"O Ye that range in the south and are the lanterns of sorrow, buckle your armour and visit us! Bring forth the legions of the army of Hell, that the Lord of the Abyss may be magnified, whose name amongst ye is Wrath! Move therefore, and appear! Open the mysteries of your creation! Be friendly unto me, for I am the same!, The true worshipper of the highest and ineffable KING OF HELL!"

reply to post by mallory-john

Jesus wasnt god son. Jesus were the adopted son of the deified Julius Caesar was known as "divi filius" (son of god). If you search a littlebit you will see that in Caesar's Book of Life many names are exactly the same like in the bible mentioned in bound with Jesus.

You are completely misinformed and that is a very dangerous place to be.


........Whirlwind

Ok Look, I did not mean to bash your faith. Faith can be a good thing. Depending on what you have faith in of course. My knowledge comes from reading The Bible, the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, Studying the I-Ching(a little) and the Tao Te Ching.

I am not saying any one of these books is better than another, or any one faith is better than another. It is just in my experience (as I used to go to church) That the christians in the church I went to have only ever read the Bible, and some even consider the other books to be blasphemous. I think the bible is a great book that is a guide to living a good life. I think the trouble lies in interpreting the bible as total truth and taking much of what it says litterally.

What about all the other "holy books"? I encourage all christians to expand thier understanding of god by reading all the ancient material about him. I did, and although i do not believe in a creative being. It has really helped me to expand my understanding of life, and my place in the universe. To me it just seems very ignorant to base all your belief in one source of knowledge. Its like only driving one kind of car, and never ever test driving the others.

Peace.

Hi im new as im sure you can tell.... i didnt read the whole post. however, at one point someone made a comment on the first page about god not being fallable... i wanted to ask one q then. but first, i think we can all agree that a "god" can creat anything and do anything. is that a fair assumption? if the above statement is true. can god create a rock so heavy that he himself can not lift?

I to believe that religion was created as a form of control. look at all the other religions around the world vikings greeks romans egypt you name it! for example the epyptions would have someone new come to power and change the state religion! change gods and all sorts of stuff... for what? power! control!

thats just my opinion. I dont mean to affend anyone.

"Even those who
have offered their love
to different deities,
who, filled with faith,
perform sacrifice--
Even they perform
sacrifice for me alone,
O Kaunteya,
though not according to injunction" - Bhagavad Gita chapter 9 verse 23

"The self is the friend
of that self
by whose self
the very self is conquered.
But for one who is not
truly one's self--
in enmity, that very self
would remain like an enemy." - Bhagavad Gita Chapter 6 verse 6

"Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye." - St. Luke 6:42 KJV

"Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." - Titus 1:15-16 KJV

"Say : O ye that reject Faith!
I worship not that which ye worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
To you be your Way, and to me mine." - Surah 109 (The Disbelievers, Athiests) 1-6 (Koran)

"The origin of the world is its mother;
Understand the mother, and you understand the child;
Embrace the child, and you embrace the mother,
Who will not perish when you die.

Reserve your judgments and words
And you maintain your influence;
Speak your mind and take positions
And nothing will save you.

As observing detail is clarity,
So maintaining flexibility is strength;
Use the light but shed no light,
So that you do yourself no harm,
But embrace clarity." - Tao Te Ching, Verse 52 (clarity)

Buddha said: "I consider the positions of kings and rulers as that of dust motes. I observe treasures of gold and gems as so many bricks and pebbles. I look upon the finest silken robes as tattered rags. I see myriad worlds of the universe as small seeds of fruit, and the greatest lake in India as a drop of oil on my foot. I perceive the teachings of the world to be the illusion of magicians. I discern the highest conception of emancipation as a golden brocade in a dream, and view the holy path of the illuminated ones as flowers appearing in one's eyes. I see meditation as a pillar of a mountain, Nirvana as a nightmare of daytime. I look upon the judgment of right and wrong as the serpentine dance of a dragon, and the rise and fall of beliefs as but traces left by the four seasons."

“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.” - Buddha

I hope this opens someone's mind.
Peace.

reply to post by TheOmen


Abso-bloomin-lootly!

Although I don't contribute to the other guy (your guy) he was/is, used as a tool to scare the unbelievers.

But another example of how to control the masses!

Also: 6) You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.

There goes 'forgivness' !!

And who do you think it was that 'dealt the hand of wrath' on the unbelievers? (clue - it was'nt some invisible force named God!)

It was done in 'his name' by a bunch of pretty sadistic dudes.




[edit on 25-9-2007 by Havalon]

reply to post by TheOmen


Jesus didn't 'make money' from his ministry, nor did his disciples(EXCEPT JUDAS!) In fact, I would say 100% of them were persecuted and most cruelly killed by the leaders of thier day!
While you say you don't believe in God by a few strokes of your keyboard, in the next few, you extoll and call on his chief creation(until his fall)satan.
Is the bible true to you or not??? YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
PRAISE JESHUA! Glory To God In THe Highest!!!

And why is it most witches say that God can't be jealous, grudging, hateful, etc.....blah,blah,blah.........
There are things that maybe you don't know about. Such as Righteousness and Holiness and Leadership.
Maybe your 'coven' doesn't have time for that stuff, but, as a parent, I can tell you that me being jealous over my child listening to someone who doesn't have thier 'best interest' at heart, is not the same as my child being jealous over his brother's new toy. I haven't even studied the Hebrew root for the word 'jealous'. I can get back to you on that one.

reply to post by Clearskies


From the posts I have read by you, I would recommend for you to shift your heart and attention away from darkness and give in to lucifer, the lightbearer who rules not with rage and jealousy but with love and light.