If it gets crazy in U.S, what country to move to?

Originally posted by dominicus
Considering most of the world hates us because of Bush, so we have to tell people were Canadian?

To really pull that off well, you need to be carrying Canadian currency instead of US greenbacks. Should I mention it's nearly at par today and still going up?

Speaking as a canuck myself, if the good old USofA decided to get squirrely, I think I'd just move a bit further away from the border and into those places where living is cheaper, where there is only one dicey logging road in or out , the mayor is regularly called 'elder' or 'spiritual leader' and moose meat is always on the grocery store shelves.

First of all, my great grandparents and grandparents worked too hard and risked too much for me to have the audasity to tuck tail and run. No way dude. I dont care if Im 80 years old, I will fight for my kids to experience the same freedoms I get to take advantage of every day.

Second, if I do remember correctly, it wouldnt matter if you did decide to leave. I will have to look for the article here. But Bush set up some sort of whatevertheheck you want to call it where all the countries have to send us back if the USA needs us. That right, if the draft starts up Canada, UK, Australia, you name it, have to put your butt on a plane and send you back home.....no matter how long you have lived there.

Sweden is nice as well...
True, the winters here sucks, but summertime it is quite beautiful...and everyone seems to agree that Swedish girls are beautiful too...

Mrs.Dudara,

Perhaps what you haven't realized is that we no longer live in a democracy, for what it's worth. Since the inception of the patriot act, the constitution and all our freedoms have been circumvented or outright taken away.

The U.S. is on the verge of being Unionized with Canada and Mexico. Don't believe me, google the following: (North American Union NAU) all of which is being done under the Peace and Prosperity Coalition, a branch of US Gov't that does not require approval of Congress.

New money comming soon, no more US dollar, say hello to the Amero (google)

Freedom of speech is the next one that is slowly being "taken out," for example you need a permit from the government if you want to protest in public, in major metropolitain areas. And if your protesting against the Gov't, they won't give you a permit for it. Happens all the time. By the way did you see the kid in Florida get tasered when he asked John Kerry a question at a college campus??

I can name 100 things that went wrong with this country since Bush stepped in, and is the main reason why this suckers going down soon. It's the reason I'm asking where is a good place to go.

Now I'm all with you about fighting for this place even if it is our own Gov't. But have you taken into consideration that the revolution would be a bunch of overweight middle class blue collar workers with Guns, versus a trained fully weaponized millatary, supposedly the best and biggest in the world????

If we plant enough US people outside of the US, when the stuff goes down and the 1st batch of revolutionaries loses in the new civil war, it will be the US transplants that can strategically join forces with a global revolution to go back in there and bring this country back into a fair and civilized democratic republic.

You must not be seeing what many people are starting to realize in this country. Something that the rest of the world has relaized years ago. This country is crumbling slowly.

So being that US, Canada, and Mexico are on the verge of Unionizing under the NAU (North American Union) that pretty much takes Canada and Mexico out of the equation.

China can easily invade Australia, being that their population is starting to spill over the land mass, not enough land to support all of them. They are too close to each other, and since it's looking like the US isn't going to be the biggest world power any more (because of unionization and all the other crap thats going on here) there could easily be an event which would occupy the US military so much so that Australia could be easily taken by China with out proper US back up.

I'm looking more at places like Iceland or perhaps New Zealand. South America sounds alright, but it would have to be as far away from Chavez and the Castro regime as possible, being they are next on the list for people like the Bush's.

Kind of off topic but something said reminded me of my first deployment. During our pre-deployment briefing, we were told a phrase that could save our lives. We had to recite a line in Arabic a few times. When asked what we just learned the briefer said "You just learned, Don't shoot, I'm Canadian."

Wish I could still remember that how to say it.

Originally posted by masqua
if the good old USofA decided to get squirrely, I think I'd just move a bit further away from the border and into those places where living is cheaper, where there is only one dicey logging road in or out , the mayor is regularly called 'elder' or 'spiritual leader' and moose meat is always on the grocery store shelves.

I'm almost there now. OK, my "refuge" is a tad more urban than I would like. It's a tad more accessible than my preference. But as far as a place where I might "bug out" when the situation gets "squirrelly" the Chippewa community at Kettle Point, Ontario is, in my opinion, ideal. I am fortunate enough to have a cottage there.

Although I am not an aboriginal, I intend to invest more of my time and energy with the wonderful community that exists at Kettle Point. I have already met some of the most interesting people. Many have been gracious enough to have shared stories of their experiences, cultural lore, language and history with me.

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New Zealand is a place that I've always wanted to go but I'm not sure if it would be the most logical place for me to go to with regards to my job skills, Canada wold probably be the most likely place for that.
Some people have mentioned Costa Rica and Belize and I believe those would be pretty good choices.
As far as most of the other S. American Country's go I wouldnt really feel to safe.
Some of the most dangerous areas are in South America. Columbia and Peru for example arent just poverty stricken, they are some of the most violent and brutal countries on this side of the world.

I could always go to India and do the type of work that I did about 10 years ago, thats where all those jobs went about 5 or so years ago, back then I was a tech support nerd at Microsoft

Of course, all of this is considering that you are speaking of a take over by our own US Govt and not an invasion by a foreign force.
If that was the case then I would have to send my son away somewhere safe and because of my own principles I would have to stay and fight.



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Originally posted by dominicus
Mrs.Dudara,

Perhaps what you haven't realized is that we no longer live in a democracy, for what it's worth. Since the inception of the patriot act, the constitution and all our freedoms have been circumvented or outright taken away.

Im sorry, I dont see any of our freedoms being taken away. I see how things have changed over the years, but things need to change sometimes. The world especially America is a much different place now than it was 200 years ago. There are going to be growing pains when a population goes through the roof. You bring up the patriot act. Believe it or not I have already read up on everything you have mentioned in your post. I have heard several people gripe about the patriot act the NAU and a number of other things. What I would really love to hear, is what you would do different. No one seems to be able to come up with a different idea that would keep us safe and not take any of our freedoms away.

The U.S. is on the verge of being Unionized with Canada and Mexico. Don't believe me, google the following: (North American Union NAU) all of which is being done under the Peace and Prosperity Coalition, a branch of US Gov't that does not require approval of Congress.

I have heard quite a few things about this NAU. Im not going to deny that it is possible. To be honest, I really dont know how I feel about it. Cant really say I am against it. I think that a lot of things that have been brought up about it are frantic overexagerations. I think just the thought of it gets people all upset because of different prejudices.

Freedom of speech is the next one that is slowly being "taken out,"

Seriously, come on now. If that was the case, you would be hauled off now as we speak. I have no problem with people needing a permit to protest. I think it is a great idea. There are a lot of other people in this world to consider. An unorganized protest these days is just asking for trouble and violence.

Iv'e always maintained that the fence between Mexico and the US is more to keep us In than keeping the Mexicans out.

After all the 18 wheelers from Mexico can now cross the border and barely even have to slow down.

Protecting the border from terrist; yeah right.

There is more to NAFTA and the NAU, than meets the eye.

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I live in the greatest place on earth now. I stand my ground in my front yard. I love my home and my country and there is no yellow on my back. You will find you are part of a tiny minority in this country. Most will stand with me.

Canada would be overrun for access to our Northern Tier of States. Mexico will fold almost immediately and side with the enemy. You had better go to a deep dark jungle somewhere because the US will be one of the last places to fall. When we survive in the end you may not be able to get back in?

It is mentally unhealthy to spend to much time immersed in these Conspiracy Theories most of which are pure fiction. Think before you act. Sanity is a narrow road and easy to fall off of. Reality is far different than the Internet.

Comon guys dont bug out.. sit here and FIGHT

honestly... if things get thta out of hand.. hold your own revolution...

if you got enough people organized with weapons... and vehicles you could hold your own succesfull revolution...

Don't leave America because its not the way it use to be.. STAY AND MAKE IT THE WAY IT USE TO BE...

Costa Rica is my destination. No military, and they're out of all the trouble makers' way. There's a coffee plantation down there with my name on it...

You can run but you can not hide!!! If things go down the drain here in the USA.. You really think anywhere will be safe?? Nope!!

The war machine will find you!! It will surely encompass the world in which we love.. If you love something you stick by it to the end.. YOu protect it will your very life force!!!

YOU can RUN! But you CANT HIDE!!!!

Over and out

I'd love to say the UK being a patriotic Brit but if the crap really hit the fan I'd move to France.

riotsfrance.ssrc.org...

At least they aren't so afraid of thier government that they won't tell them when
they are really going the wrong way about things.

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My family and I are moving in with Dr. Strangecraft and family, he just doesn't know it yet. He's the survival expert and I'm an expert on letting the survival expert be the expert while I drink my Jack Daniels (which I'll supply if he really wants to be a jerk about it).

Peace

Originally posted by mrsdudara
Im sorry, I dont see any of our freedoms being taken away.

Perhaps you should research all of the executive orders being issued.

Originally posted by mrsdudara
What I would really love to hear, is what you would do different. No one seems to be able to come up with a different idea that would keep us safe and not take any of our freedoms away.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security"

I have a different idea if you are prepared to consider it:

All foreign US military bases must be shut down immediately, and all US military personnel stationed around the world must return home.

All US military personnel currently deployed to policing operations and wars all over the world, including Iraq and the "War on Terror", must return home.

The Federal Reserve and income tax must be abolished.

We rid ourselves of "alliances" and defense agreements.

We open free trade channels with ALL NATIONS.

We begin peaceful negotiations and dialog with ALL NATIONS.

We stop interfering with others' politics.

We stop bombing their homes.

We stop stealing their resources.

We stop occupying their land.

And last but not least, we mind our own damn business.

We don't need to police the world. We don't need to nation build. We don't need to meddle in other nations' affairs. We don't need to bully and threaten people. We don't need to be hypocrites.

This is blow back. This is what happens when you screw with other nations and their people. They get pissed.

When we occupy their land and kill their families, we're the heroes. We're fighting for freedom and peace.

But when they get pissed that we're in their business and we're killing them and putting sanctions in place that cut off water and food to poor families in need in third world countries, and they retaliate for their own survival, they're terrorists.

Tell me, if Russia occupied the United States and cut off essentials to our survival, and we went out and fought, would you consider us terrorists? We'd be doing the same thing those in the Middle East are doing to our troops right now. So what's the difference? Is there a difference? Or do we need a boogeyman to support a flawed, greed based foreign policy that supports no one's interests other than our "leaders"?

Originally posted by mrsdudara
Im not going to deny that it is possible. To be honest, I really dont know how I feel about it. Cant really say I am against it. I think that a lot of things that have been brought up about it are frantic overexagerations.

The North American Union is very real and beyond being just "possible".

With the North American Union, our borders would be essentially erased. Think of all the "terrorists" living in Mexico right now. All the sleeper cells. How does giving free access in to the current United States make us safer?

Why do we need to form a union to increase free trade?

Why do we need to have national ID cards to fight terrorism?

Why do we need to have implantable chips to fight terrorism?

How does putting us all in a DNA database fight terrorism?

How does crashing the dollar to rid the country of the middle class and switching to the Amero to hold the now poor middle class, and the already poor lower class in economic slavery, going to help us or help fight terrorism?

Think of what Bush would have to his presidency had 9/11 not happened. What would he have done? What has this administration done that hasn't evolved from 9/11?

9/11 is being politicized to hell and back all to support a long standing agenda to collapse the United States, rid us of the Constitution, and the liberties that come with it, and centralize all the money and all the power to more easily be controlled by which ever puppet they decide to "elect".

Originally posted by mrsdudara
I have no problem with people needing a permit to protest. I think it is a great idea. There are a lot of other people in this world to consider. An unorganized protest these days is just asking for trouble and violence.

Then you deal with those people individually.

You don't take away knives and guns from everyone because some people use them to murder people.

You don't take away cars from everyone because some people strap bombs to them.

Why take everyone's RIGHT to protest and petition away just because a few who would turn it into a riot? What sense does that make?

That's about as senseless as regulating the internet and ridding the internet of anti-government blogs while hiding behind the excuse that we need to crack down on child predators.

How do you crack down on child predators by shutting down political blogs?

It makes no sense. I hope you can see this at some point. The same over used excuses are being used time and time again to further an agenda. They're not doing anything about the original problem. Nooo. If they did that, then what would they hide behind to destroy everything they need to destroy?

The problem has to exist, i.e. terrorism, child pornography etc., in order to further an agenda, i.e. NAU, destruction of civil liberties, regulation of the internet etc.

That's what's really going on. It's not to keep us safe. It's not to enforce the law. It's to create a dictatorial utopia for the "elite" in our nation, to which you and I will not benefit - only suffer.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
It is mentally unhealthy to spend to much time immersed in these Conspiracy Theories most of which are pure fiction.

Which "conspiracy theories" are you referring to that are "pure fiction"?

I truly hope you researched the alternative claims thoroughly and considered all possibilities before coming to such a conclusion. Because if you came to that conclusion because the TV labeled it a "conspiracy theory" and that translated to you as something that is nutty and insane and isn't worth looking in to, then I'm sorry to say it, but you're incorrect.

As for the topic at hand..

I'm staying to fight. I couldn't call myself a patriot if I wimped out and left when I know damn well our founding fathers would be marching on the White House, armed, if they were here right now.

If I had to leave though, I'd go to Norway. Its been declared the best place to live for like five years in a row now, and has been going back and forth with Canada for the last 10 years or so.

Their freedoms are much like what ours should be. From what I hear, the economy is pretty good. They mind their business rather than policing the world or trying to claim they're the greatest in the world. Their media has been rated as one of the freest in the world, which is something we proclaim ours is, but can't seem to back that up.

I've heard it's a nice, clean country. Free of major corruption.

A big plus with me - they continue to vote AGAINST joining the European Union. Unfortunately I think "they" will get Norway eventually and it will go down the drain, and that's very sad, but I think it's just reality and a matter of time. But for now, I see that as a sign that they know what's going on and they don't want to be a part of it. That scores points in my book.

So yeah, I'd say Norway. It's a little too close to where the "action" would be going down when it does go down, but I guess there aren't many places that are completely perfect, right?

How would I do things different???????

WOW!!!!

1st off it would be of the ut-most importance to reference all new laws that pass congress against the constitution, which should be in place at all times and it should be illegal to have "current laws" that completely circumvent it the way it is now. No more passing laws in the last minute with-out looking through it the way it's done regularly these days.

2nd. Get rid of the Federal reserve, which is not a Governmenr branch but in all actuality is a private bank owned by private business men. We never had inflation prior to the 1920's, which is right before the reserve was put in place. The Fed creates money with "interest" on it. That was never the case before.

3rd. 9/11 needs and independent review of all the facts. Not a Gov't created and reviewed panel. Plus our Gov never answered the question of who funded 9/11 because they said it's irrelevant!!!! Hah !!!! Are you sserious.

4th. Get all troops out of Iraq. That was the biggest mistake ever. All that money spent there is poorly needed on border security, schools, poor, insurance, and other factors here. No wonder economists are pointing at a recession.

5th. Limit presidential powers in case we get a dumbass like Bush. Lowest approval ratings in the history of this country. Dumbest IQ level, speeches, vocabulary, and decisions ever!!!! This Limit needs to be put in place in case we have a dumbass again. Alan Greenspan, Mexico's ex Prez Fox, and the Ex-CIA director have all gone on the record to speak out against him.

6th. Make it a popular vote, not the electoral college, which completely nullifies the popular vote and has voted differently in almost every election.

7th. Even out the checks and balances between congress and the Prez.

Bush has single handedly helped to create and un-stopple and invisible enemy called, the "terrorist." American citizens that don't agree with the popular view are now called "terroroists".

Gas was $1.46 on Bush's 1st day in office. The US dollar dropped by 40% in value since he took office.

Our media channels are owned by Rupert Murdoch who is friends with the Bush's so all of our media on TV/Radio is biased. You can't believe eveything you hear on our media.

Columbine, Varginia Tech, US is the number 1 coutry with: cancer rates, sudden infant death syndrome, school shootings, drugs, must I go on?

Now I'm an optimist and agree that it can all be fixed and cleaned up in the next 15-20 years, but that's highly unlikely being that it's turning more and more into a police and controlled state.

If you do some of your own research (without watching conspiracy theories) you'll soon find out, by following the money such as who owns the federal reserve and who's raking in from Iraq. You will see that there is a handful of families that have had direct influence on most global events including all the presidents in the last 100 years, United Nations, European Union. The US pres is now a puppett position!!!!!! Do the math and you'll find out.

Now it's not "that" bad yet. But at this rate, I'm researching other countries for my mother and sister, and perhaps myself to go to in the near future.

Now I'm no yellow belly, but I don't believe in killing and shooting. I'm better off some-where else when it comes down to helping to find additional funding for the revolution or spreading literature for support of a revolution.

I might be a US citizen, but before that I'm a man with morals and ethics, a man of God and a man of peace. I love you all, but again if you do the research, the facts are ugly.