Aliens contributing to technology

can anyone explain how humans stumbled on to cloning and dna testing(not being sarcastic if you have a real answer i want to hear it)

DNA was discovered by (just from memory, could be wrong) Crick and Watson using a technique called x-ray defraction. Fancy way of firing an x ray through a material and figuring out its molecular makeup by seeing how much the xray defracted and how much power the xray lost through it. Every element has its own defraction, kinda like light in a prisim. Years and years of experimenting up until this day to figure it all out. Cloning DNA came from our ability to watch viruses. They hijack another cells DNA using enzymes to break off pieces and insert their own DNA into the cells. The cells then make copies of the virus. We isolated these restriction enzymes and now can take apart DNA substitute other DNA and put it back together. Read up on PCR (polymerase chain reactions) to see how to replicate DNA...its actually really simple.

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Good memory. Are you a geneticist?

As for alien human hybrids... aliens would have to have the same 4 base pairs of DNA identical to ours ( A,T,G,C)to make that work right? What are the odds of that?

lol, no... but very interested in genetics. I checked online afterwards... got most of it right =)

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I don't blame the aliens. If I'm the observer of human progress, I'd pull my hair out seeing how hard-headed and numbskull humans are. We bicker, we disagree on EVERYTHING, yeah, EVERYTHING. Study comes out this month saying wine is good for you, next month it's very bad for you. Baby Einstein DVDs are great for babies, next week it will say the DVD destroy kids brain.

No concensus, no principles, no agreement on anything. I can't even find a convincing arguement over big bang, or evolution.

Seeing how slowly we progress, I can't blame the alien to "nudge" us to get something going.

Billions of years in evolution and we still use explosion to power our piston driven cars, in inter-galactic community standards, I think we are the child with autism.

So please Mr, Alien help us out here.

Originally posted by Copernicus
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No, the story is that the US government got contacted by the Greys in the 50's or earlier. They made a deal with the greys - abductions for technology. So thats why we have all these people getting abducted and the government denying its happening. In return, the government gets technology, but of course its only going to be marginally better than the stuff we already have. Why would the Grey give more than they need to?

They made this deal because the Greys didnt really give them any choice. We didnt have the technology to fight alien ships in the 50's, and I dont think we do now either.

There are lots of alien races out there though. Some want to help us evolve as a race, others dont really care about us at all.

There is a lot of information about this out there... read through it, its interesting even if you choose not to believe it.

Start with www.exopolitics.org. Have fun.

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Here is the joke, the Reticulians as I call them (they supposedly hail from Zeta Reticuli 2), I believe are using outdated technologies, and came to earth because others civilizations really want nothing to do with them. It is all too easy to scavenge shipwrecks from deep space then collect every little piece of functional technology, from perhaps hundreds to thousands of years ago, and hive minded beings like the Reticulians are very up to the menial and repetitive tasks of bringing them to a base level of functionality (although that doesn't mean they know how to make them safe or fully functional). Then all they have to do is to contact the rather stupid and morally questionable leaders of Earth, tell them you have all this amazing technology (which could feasibly be outdated by most space faring societies for hundreds of years in general), and all they have to do to get them is to give up resources such as minerals or element 114, land grants to mine them, manpower to run the bases required to exploit them and protect them from hostiles (such as Draconians), and to turn a blind eye to their recreational activities (anal probes, cattle mutilations) which also works for genetic manipulation issues such as cloning and governmental drone implementation. On top of this, they are rather immune to the levels of radiation and other chemicals that typically pulverize normal human genetics, so they get to sit back and watch human engineers irradiate themselves or worse, and blame them for not knowing how to properly utilize their 'advanced technologies' that were never theirs to begin with. Take these ideas however you want to, but I find this a fairly good take on recent situations.

Originally posted by b309302
We have a deal with the aliens? Why? I think the deal would go more like...keep your mouth shut or we will vaporize you.

Hello b309302, and peace to you:

My name is Jim Ruff. I have an interview going right now with Dave and Johnny.

Before I go further, let me say that I have no physical evidence for anything I am about to say. That is not to say I do not have evidence. Eyewitness testimony is considered valid evidence in a court of law. Isn't that why we have juries? The jury will believe one side, not the other. I would be honored to have this forum as my jury.

I give you the following information in the spirit of Peace and to share information. By doing so, eventually we will have enough pieces of the puzzle to know what is happening 'without proof'.

I got this information from many sources, one of which is the Depanoid themselves. "Depanoid" is the term I gave them, not knowing who they are or where they come from.

When they gave me information, it seemed to coalesce, correct, and confrim information I already had. As I will say later, it's completely possibly they lied, in at least some instances.

And that is one of the reason I have got to present this information. One, so others will come forward and confirm or challenge the exisiting information, and two, so that we can 'compare notes' and find out what is really happening.

Here is my side:

It was actually the early 40s when 'the deal' was struck, and it was pretty much the way you say in the above quote.
However, the aliens lied. And it wasn't just what are known as "Greys'. There is another species involved, which have actually been here much longer than the Greys. They are the ones currently in charge on this planet.

The aliens lied, lied, lied. They cannot 'vaporize' us for many many reason. They cannot even overtly 'conquer' us, for reasons which exceed the scope of this discussion.

They lied about the level of technology they are 'giving' to us. They lied about the extent to which they would perform 'examinaitions'. And on and on.

But....the real reason for the 'deal' was the official silence and disavowment of the existence of the aliens.

"If you keep your mouth shut, we will give you incredible technology - if you don't, we will vaporize you." In essence.

And it's not just the US Government. Several governments around the world have such an agreement.

Of course, now comes the inevitable quest for 'proof'. I have none. But...watch what I say, and how I say it. I give you the information which was given to me.

Didi they lie when they told me things? Probably. At least sometimes. But...eventually, with enough people coming forward, we will be able to sort out the lies.

Here is the fun part: We can never be outwardly conquered. They just can't do that. However, WE can conquer THEM. HOW?

Well...it's simple. It's just not very easy.

All we need to do is individually get to Peace of Mind. That's it.

Then they must leave.
That's it in a nutshell. I wish I could give you more physical evidence, but "the Depanoid" make very sure that nothing, or at least very little physical evidence is ever publicly known.
Once the world knows of their existence, their days are numbered. When it's 'us against 'them', we earth humans have a great ability to stick together.

That's probably why physical evidence is in such short supply. They make it a top priority to leave nothing which confirms their existence.

There is much much more to this story, but this post is long enough.
In closing, allow me to ask you to use your inner voice, your discretion, your intuition. Basically, those are the only tools we have in our struggle.

To those who have had positive experiences, I congratulate and envy you. May we all have Positive and Peaceful experiences one day with those from other worlds.

Peace to us all.

Jim Ruff

I don't really believe we got technology from the aliens. Becuase sagan said something so true, a civilisation would die out before there technology would get to a certain point.

Originally posted by jim_ruff


It was actually the early 40s when 'the deal' was struck, and it was pretty much the way you say in the above quote.
However, the aliens lied. And it wasn't just what are known as "Greys'. There is another species involved, which have actually been here much longer than the Greys. They are the ones currently in charge on this planet.

The aliens lied, lied, lied. They cannot 'vaporize' us for many many reason. They cannot even overtly 'conquer' us, for reasons which exceed the scope of this discussion.

They lied about the level of technology they are 'giving' to us. They lied about the extent to which they would perform 'examinaitions'. And on and on.

Hi Jim,

I posted something similar to what you did earlier, but I have a few questions.

1) This other species you speak of, are they the infamous Draconian/Reptilians?

2) I know you just said "for reasons which exceed the scope of this discussion", but is it possible these beings are following some kind of galactic code? Meaning, they cannot kill human beings? I would love for you to clarify on this if you don't mind.

3) You said that we are able to conquer them...how? There are many contactees out there who state if we get our act together and learn to live in harmony, they will leave. Is this what you mean? I certainly don't think we could defeat them technology wise, judging from what their craft have demonstrated.

Thank you in advance.

Okay here we go. #1 We need conflict, and bickering. Where do you think ideas come from? In a "utopian society with everyone in agreement, no progress would be made. If no one is pushing you to build something bigger and better, you won't. War contributes more to advancing technology then anything. That statment makes no sense. Without conflict, nothing would be accomplished. #2. Here is the biggest problem with all these threads... hi I'm Mr. so and so and I worked for CIA, AREA 51, fill in the blank with whatever. I have no proof of anything but here... I stop reading at that point. I have no clue who you are, and you are telling me a story that you can not possibly back up with any facts. If someone wants to come out with evidence... back it up. Post something scientific, I have a degree in physics. Tell me how antigravity works, unified field theory, anything that would be proof of higher intelligence and technology. Funny how so many people claim to work with aliens and technology in ATS yet don't know basic physics equations or principles. They claim, I can tell you aliens exist, but the aliens wont let me tell you anything more... really? they won't? But saying they exist, is a clear violation of whatever contract was made... that is okay? Telling me how this supposed technology they ALREADY GAVE US works isn't? Funny how that always works out. I dont even know where to begin with this one. Why make an agreement? Apparently UFOS buzz the country every day, crashing quite often apparently...they dont seem to care much about it being a secret. If they are going to abduct humans... lets see..abduct them from America where they have a huge military and nuclear defenses, or some third world country that couldn't detect them if they wanted too. You do the math. Why enter all these agreements for no reason. Just steal people from the Congo or something, no radar, no real military to deal with. It's the most logical choice. I'm sorry, they didnt give us any technology we didn't already have. Name one thing they gave us? Explain how it works? No one can... As far as them lying, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. We lied to the Indians, Spain lied to the "Mexicans", it's kind of what happens, and anyone who knows history will tell you that is the case when two cultures on different technology levels meet. Don't think our government back then wasn't aware of this, and would have expected that. It wasn't a surprise. Any facts in this story are so washed out with fantasy they are hard to pick out. Honestly, keep the kiddy stories to the kids. Some people on here like me actually have degrees and don't buy into these things. There are several good threads with proof I have a hard time explaining, and people who make compelling logical arguments. That's why I am here, not to listen to stories. You want to be taken seriously... back it up with proof.

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Originally posted by GeeGee

Originally posted by jim_ruff


It was actually the early 40s when 'the deal' was struck, and it was pretty much the way you say in the above quote.
However, the aliens lied. And it wasn't just what are known as "Greys'. There is another species involved, which have actually been here much longer than the Greys. They are the ones currently in charge on this planet.

The aliens lied, lied, lied. They cannot 'vaporize' us for many many reason. They cannot even overtly 'conquer' us, for reasons which exceed the scope of this discussion.

They lied about the level of technology they are 'giving' to us. They lied about the extent to which they would perform 'examinaitions'. And on and on.

Hi Jim,

I posted something similar to what you did earlier, but I have a few questions.

1) This other species you speak of, are they the infamous Draconian/Reptilians?

2) I know you just said "for reasons which exceed the scope of this discussion", but is it possible these beings are following some kind of galactic code? Meaning, they cannot kill human beings? I would love for you to clarify on this if you don't mind.

3) You said that we are able to conquer them...how? There are many contactees out there who state if we get our act together and learn to live in harmony, they will leave. Is this what you mean? I certainly don't think we could defeat them technology wise, judging from what their craft have demonstrated.

Thank you in advance.

Hello GeeGee and Peace to you,

I don't really know who these goofballs are. I know what they look like:
This was posted on MUFON BB, Aug, 26, 2007.

"I saw an alien outside Salt Lake City with the following description: dark orange-brown 'skin' I guess. I didn't see any clothing. The head was very big, about 1/3 the size of the body. The eyes were NOT the 'wrap-around' kind, common to greys, but they were very big, comprising about 1/2 the face. They seemed to be dark brown, but glowed a dull orange in my flashlight beam. They also seemed to be slightly irregular-shaped. It was about 4 1/2 to 5 feet tall, with what appeared to be a slight smirk on its otherwise featureless face. The body was spindly, but I don't know how long the arms were, as it was half-hidden in the brush."

This is a picture of what I saw:

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2.) Well, basically, yes that's the answer GeeGee. But not in 'mustn't', it's actually more of simply cannot. Not able.

3.) This part of your answer intrigues me no end. It's exactly what I know to be true, but where else is this information available? The weird thing is, I got this information from 'them'....so it's immediately suspect. Or is it?

It's such a weiird mind game to start getting into "did they tell me this because they want me to think the opposite, or is this really the truth and somehow I found out?" It gets really involved.

The reason they must leave when we get to peace, True Peace, not submission, slavery, or servitude, is because their 'drug supply' will run out.

Thanks for your questions...and answers, GeeGee. I would really appreciate knowing the source of your number 3 question, as it really fascinates me. I haven't found this information anywhere. I am completely blown away by this information you gave me. Seriously, it gives me chills.

Perhaps you could send me a private message, as this discussion may be getting off base just a bit?

I leave you in Peace.

Jim

PS - One thing which follows the topic of this discussion, is that the technology I saw them using looks remarkably similar to our cellular phone technology. Except they don't use it for phone calls.

Peace.

Jim, anything to say? I brought up at least 5 arguments as to why that story is illogical... just want to run with it still? Like I said, half the people on here want to tell stories, the other half are so desperate they will believe anything. Who actually needs proof of anything right? Do you honestly wonder why no scientific people take you seriously?

Easy question Jim, you know "them", cold blooded or warm blooded Jim?

Wow I love these crackpots who make extrodinary claims that they work with aliens, yet can not answer the simplest of questions when confronted with them... you think the government would have top people on this project who can at least make legitimate excuses if it was true, but nope we get people like Jim. Yep that really makes me believe.

There is so much garbage, disinformation, misinformation, lies, untruths, fantasies, fabrications, false claims, fraudulent info, delusions and make believes regarding the extraterrestrial involvement on earth.

The fact of the matter is that various governments around the world have started a concerted campaign since the early 1900's to discredit genuine ufo sightings because it posed tremendous danger to their power structure.

Stalin saw ufos, so did roosevelt, coolidge, truman on wards

The policies regarding ufos of these governments were implemented far earlier than people might assume

There is no reptilians nor greys from zeti reticuli controlling the earthly affairs nor have they any agreements with the US government
This is all a hogwash intended to deceives and lead people astray

What is the truth is the fact that billy meier did have contact with the et plejarens and the contacts are still ongoing to this day.

People don't have to look far to gain some sense that this extraordinary case far surpasses every other ufo case known so far.

Yet why ignore this treasure trove for spilt milk.

There's a dangerous thing about providing proof, Mr Physicist. People like to tear it apart no matter how real it is. It really ticks me off when people with degrees in clown colleges come around and rip apart people telling their stories and telling them they are wrong and/or crazy, just because "I got a degree and you don't, so give me proof so I can have satisfaction in making you look like more of a dumbass". Of all the pompous crap I hear on this website, it mostly comes from the severely educated. Seems like the more you think you know, the less you are willing to accept. Well, hey I don't even have a high school diploma, Mr Physicist... but I have seen living proof with my own two eyes that these aliens and these UFOs DO exist... but I guess I'm not a scientist, so I can't decide for myself what's real and what isn't. It could've just been a very very deformed man with giant black eyes that I saw, or maybe the giant black rectangle hovering motionless in the sky was just a shadow from something on the ground... a shadow with 3 dimensions and lights. I've seen a lot more weird stuff that I may not have believed otherwise... but if I have seen that stuff, that's only a hairline fraction of all the other crazy stuff that's kept under wraps in this world... So please for the love of respect to people, stop acting pompous like you know everything JUST because you a certain degree more in a few areas than other people. It doesn't make you any more capable of judging what's real and what's fake, unless you understand ALL the laws of physics in the entire infinite multi-verse, unless you understand how everything works, and have experience in every quote you present, don't pretend to make us feel stupid by quoting from textbooks and telling us you're a physicist 20 million times.... to be fair you only said that once or twice, and I didn't mean to snap on you, but there's way too many rude close minded people on here who pretend to know the ways of the universe and who think everything can be proven with what we know right now, and who think that just because someone cant provide proof, or won't for one reason or another, that they are a giant liar. What ever happened to witness testimony??? What ever happened to open-mindedness, and not believing everything just cuz it's written in a book. I have questioned back engineering as well... but I've come to the conclusion that it does happen, based on an educated guess, and my own personal studies into the matter. Not saying it's ALL true, but someone with good intuition and common sense can sense a lie or just a well fabricated entertaining story.

Originally posted by GeeGee

Originally posted by jim_ruff


It was actually the early 40s when 'the deal' was struck, and it was pretty much the way you say in the above quote.
However, the aliens lied. And it wasn't just what are known as "Greys'. There is another species involved, which have actually been here much longer than the Greys. They are the ones currently in charge on this planet.

The aliens lied, lied, lied. They cannot 'vaporize' us for many many reason. They cannot even overtly 'conquer' us, for reasons which exceed the scope of this discussion.

They lied about the level of technology they are 'giving' to us. They lied about the extent to which they would perform 'examinaitions'. And on and on.

Hi Jim,

I posted something similar to what you did earlier, but I have a few questions.

1) This other species you speak of, are they the infamous Draconian/Reptilians?

I can answer that more thoroughly for you. One, they cannot stand to be called Reptilians. They did not descend from reptiles and they despise them except for food I suppose. They hate them more than humans, but less than the Reticulians (greys). The Draconians should be considered an indigenous species that evolved on this planet long before we were ever here. However they are incredibly hostile to the Reticulans and the others working for them. They don't want them here, they are considered to be the lowest order of intelligence, 'ants' or delicious 'Melon Heads', who do little but run around mindlessly pursuing stupid little tasks for their stupid little master. I wish I could give all I know to provide more proof (that always insults someone).

Here then, if you ever see a 'mothman', or any species that appears to be highly scaled, very tall (over 6-7 ft), has the standard described features of Draconians (wings are not always present, they are the elites, or royalty), act intelligent and humble and they will treat you in the same way. Running screaming, or showing fear will only prove that you are a lesser species, sure if one is in a particularly bad mood then he or she may kill you anyways. Yet, dying with honor is always respected and they might even honor your bravery. On the other side fear is always your enemy and just imagine having dark red glowing eyes appear to you out of the shadows, as the huge muscular form begins to materialize from darkness which would then move towards you slowly, and of course you then get to see the teeth. This would amount to a test, humans instinctively flee, it is a biological defense mechanism, and if any of you could actually stand firm and risk death, he or she may actually start laughing and perhaps be willing to communicate!

Ok, being that I am not allowed to reveal my sources, I can however in my next post explain my concept of string theory and how it can be used to revolutionize searching for information and hint at a few other applications in which it can be utilized.

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All right, here is my 'shotgun blast' approach to string theory. First, the basic premise of string theory is that a particle (or any unit, be it digital information, stem cells, ANYTHING) is considered by being able to focus on one particle or all. This in its current conception makes it rather difficult to utilize string theory in any useful protocol, unless you alter your conception of what one is. The easiest way for me to explain this is to use a hypothetical search engine that uses the premise of the 'shotgun approach'.

Ok say we are utilizing the internet for our search, which practically holds for all intensive purposes a nearly unlimited amount of information. Now, take each fact or piece of information on the internet and think of them as individual particles, this is a lot of information!! Now the particle (information) that we are looking for according to string theory normally would be impossible to find, as you are looking at one particle (out of an almost infinite sea of information) or ALL the information, which is clearly very daunting. Now, here comes the concept of the 'shotgun blast', where instead of looking at each particle (or piece of information) as one, it is far more effective to look at groupings of particles as one particle. So, imagine that each 'shotgun blast" includes a preset number of particles (this could include any number of particles that would just be decided on the search parameters and the size of the information you are sifting through, but for our purposes let's keep each blast to 12 particles for ease of conversation). Since we know what we are looking for, then we can begin, so our first 'shotgun blast' is comprised of 12 searches, but there is a very small chance in an unlimited 'sea' of information that we will find what we are looking for (be it quarks, gravatinos, etc.). However, by then analyzing the twelve for the closest grouping of particles (say 2 of the 12 are closer to the answer than the rest), then the search is centered on the latest 2 that are closer to our goal (you see them individually, compare them to the source you are looking for then combine them to 1), then we shotgun blast again, so in theory we are only looking at all or one at any one time.

This technique can allow one to search through literally unlimited amounts of information if utilized as an algorithm which can be applied to say, what would be the best rubber to sulfur ratio in moon tires? How many particles of dark matter occur in any randomly chosen portion of Space-Time? How many gray hairs do I have on my head at any one point at a particular age, including separately run algorithms on my diet, microbe content in my lungs, eye tissue to fluid density, and literally every other seemingly unrelated factor that COULD have some currently unknown effect on the outcome of the information I wish to know. Apply this to the medical industry, and you can plot entire courses of superbugs, the best way to utilize medications, the best way tune or upgrade your medical instrumentation, and much much more. Ok my hands are about to break off, so this is something much more realistic that can be confirmed and has great potential.

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Originally posted by b309302
Who actually needs proof of anything right? Do you honestly wonder why no scientific people take you seriously?

Wikiality in all it's glory.

Wikiality refers to the changing of reality or truth via a Wikipedia-like system, allowing the public to change facts as long as there are others that agree.

--From UrbanDictionary.com

Of course, one can argue it applies to UFOs and aliens as well as the opponents of such. But I trust in the scientific method; it has given us the technology we use today.

I haven't gone through the rest of the posts here since I last checked it. I have difficulty focusing when there paragraphs aren't used (as do a lot of other people, I'm sure). Please, please, try to use more paragraphs people. It really helps, trust me. It's not difficult -- just split the body every 3-5 sentences.

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