Alan Greenspan claims Iraq war was really for oil

is it not the "LOVE" of money is the root of all ...............I always see it as money IS the root of all...

reply to post by windwaker


Hey, I'm not disagreeing one bit about George Bush being a puppet, what I am saying though, is that GWB is obviously in the position to do something about it if he wanted to and he's not.

There are 3 reasons to which I can assume he's not:

1) He's being led by duress

2) He thinks it will be better for him and his friends

3) He honestly thinks what he's doing is the absolute best option for America/mankind due to knowledge him and a select few are privy to

It could of course be #3 or #1, but after all these allegations and occult relations and signs and testimonies and evidence and a million other things, I am personally inclined to lean towards #2.

reply to post by bigbert81


Good points, well made, but I'd like to throw another factor into the mix which you may not have taken into account. The very fact that he was selected (let's just drop the pretence right now!) for "President" means that the people who selected him knew in advance that he would offer no resistance to their agenda. They KNEW he could be counted upon to lie, to use (or more accurately, misuse) his authority to protect the very highest of high crimes, and to basically be exactly the sort of lackey he has proven himself to be time and time again. Yes, he's a puppet, yes, he's also a criminal - but he's a criminal puppet whom his puppetmasters knew in advance could be trusted to play exactly the part scripted for him.

Now, how did they know? The answer to that is quite simple. He has been a member of Skull & Bones (Illuminati Chapter 322) since he was at school. Upon joining such an organisation you take oaths which are bound by death. The very fact that someone is a member of such a secret society should automatically bar them from ever being president - for how can someone swear allegiance to the flag and all that bollox when they've already sworn, on pain of death, allegiance to their chums and colleagues in the silly handshake club?

So in short Bush Jr. and those like him are groomed from a young age for higher things. Don't make the mistake (this aimed more at Windwaker) of assuming he's as fluffy as the image he portrays - because his history PROVES this is not the case. He's a member of a secret society not noted for its acts of humanity, and he's proven time and again he cares nothing for the human lives of Iraqis, Afghanis, or for that matter Americans. Don't be fooled...

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

reply to post by franzbeckenbauer


Same to you, good points well made. Also,

The very fact that someone is a member of such a secret society should automatically bar them from ever being president

Couldn't agree with you more.

Originally posted by franzbeckenbauer
reply to post by 5aret

 

5aret: you believe in God, you believe the official story about JFK and you believe the official story about 9/11. You are of course entitled to your beliefs, but the beliefs you have suggests to me that no amount of evidence will convince you of anything you don't want to believe. So I don't think I'll even try, if that's ok with you.

There is a lot of evidence of US/UK false flag attacks on a daily basis in Iraq. Instead of asking me to prove it to you, you could try researching it; but you won't - you'll wait for the mainstream media to present it to you and if they don't (as they won't) you will assume anything to the contrary is BS. There is ample evidence that the Bush Administration knew in advance there were no WMD in Iraq, again you could try doing a little research; but you won't, you'll wait for others (the mainstream media, no doubt) to do it for you. There is a MASSIVE amount of evidence that the official story of 9/11 is a lie of massive proportions; I won't even go there! There is also a massive amount of evidence that the official story about JFK is almost comically misleading. There is evidence on every dollar bill that the Illuminati (NWO) are real, coupled with the historical evidence that the Illuminati DID exist and that their plans involved the eventual formation of a world government, the plans for which are well advanced if your own North American Union plans are anything to go by, coupled with the words of leading lights of American politics throughout the years, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abe Lincoln.

There is no evidence at all for the existence of God. But you apparently believe in him/her/it.

So I'm not going to waste my time trying to provide proof to someone who will only believe the reams of evidence in front of his eyes if his President gets off his throne and tells him it is ok to believe it.



[edit on 16-9-2007 by franzbeckenbauer]

True and nicely put! The reason there are conspiracys, wars, famine, disease and # is that most of the population work with half of a brain. The intelligent elite can get away with pretty much anything. If you own a media empire you can convince people about anything. If media was about to claim that president putin was alien and the speaker of duma was a cow with wings, people would belive it. Guaranteed!

It strikes me every time i see my neighbours and friends talk about terrorists and WMD's, some actually still belive that there are WMD's in Iraq and that Iran already has huge nuclear arsenal. I told them that cow's have wings too and when people are sleeping they tend to fly around. This really confuses people and i enjoy it everytime =) Last time i did it, my child was with me and after we left the neighbours, my kids asked me "Dad do cows really have wings, and do they fly at nights when i sleep?", i told him that "Son, cows have no wings and they do not fly by night, but if you convice people that they do they surely will belive it.". Then logically my son asks me "Dad, why do you want Pekka and Mia to belive cow's have wings?", and i replied "Because it's time for Pekka and Mia to learn that sometimes you need to think for your self". Then he we had a laugh.

So the point of this story is, world is not black and white. Sometimes you need to research things and think for your self. Mass media call us tinhat people and call us names, i don't care. I have IQ of 178 or what you call
it in America, so i know that i have the capability to think for my self.

Hopefully people realize that the world does not revolve around TV.

Cheers

I think we all know that it was for oil.

But what is not apparent and also what adds a new depth to the conflict is that it's been disclosed that it was also a way to try and keep China and it's voracious consumption in check...

I used to just think that the Bush regime was after the oil and that was all they were after in their limited scope. But once you add the factor of China in there, you realise that the the duplicity and underhandedness is a lot more sophisticated and subtle than we would be led to believe!

Oil... greed.... and ego... so a pathetic, small little man could say he finished what his father didn't.

All sold with lies.

Piss poor reasons to send our troops off to bleed and die for.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

I gave you a star just for that quote.
A very poignant way to describe this administation.

DocMoreau

GreenSpan is definently someone not to trust... Probably got paid off to say it. Oil is just a small part of the real equation of whats really going on over there.

[edit on 16-9-2007 by BlakJack]

I am quite sure that if your country was vilified, had war declared upon it, was invaded, and then destroyed and plunged into chaos, your home destroyed with your family, friends, neighbours killed and or maimed, and after all this, you found out it was because the invaders and murderers of your loved ones wanted the black stuff under your feet........



I am sure you would not think the same.



I am sure you would not say material gain was worth blood.



But hey, as long as you are the one wanting oil, as long as you are not the one giving you and your loved one's blood for such GREED, then I am sure you do find it a wonderful, acceptable idea.


So as long as that poor person who has just found out he has lost his family and home is not you.


Who is to say it will not be in the future?


Because if that was so, it would suddenly occur to you how monstrous such a cause is.



But as long as it's not you....it's an acceptable, reasonable idea for oil to be worth people's lives in their hundreds of thousands.


Would you tell the maimed Iraqi orphan who asks why your country invaded his, and why his family was killed, the simple answer your logic dictates:


"Well, my boy, I wanted to make sure I could run my SUV down to the super mall....."


Would you?


thank you deer friend , this is exactly what i think , as long as the american can put gaz in their suv to go to wall mart they dont care about people losing lives for oil ... l'm french canadian from Quebec and i wiss from the bottom off my heart that the american will pay for all they have done to the rest of the wourld juste to get richer and richer. as i said before ..we are lucky to have country like russia and china to inderectly protect us juste by being there whit there nuclear power and not been usa puppet like british and france. l wish them the worst . jsute take a look on youtube about these american soldier in a truck showing food and water to iraky kids , the faster the kids are running to reach the truck to get the food the faster the truck gose and you see and ear the soldier lauft at them ....this is america , this is american this is cruel

Some Republican Congressman spouted off that the war was actually over Weapons of Mass Destruction. I can not believe that some moron in Congress still believes that line of s*&#.

Oil is propping up our currency and is very important for leverage with China and the Near East...

This is so obvious...Cheney says as much.

news.independent.co.uk...

The Iraqi parliament is preparing to sign a deal with Western oil companies for 70% of oil profits until the costs of drilling and rebuilding are recouped...nice deal...however the parliament has been stalling.

The real question as stated in previously in this thread is why now???

A bit out of character for the former chairman of the Federal Reserve.

More signs that something is up!!

“I was not saying that that’s the administration’s motive,” Greenspan said in the interview conducted on Saturday. “I’m just saying that if somebody asked me, ’Are we fortunate in taking out Saddam?’ I would say it was essential.”

MSN

Greenspan did not say that we went into Iraq for oil, he said he advised the predident that it was necessary to secure the world oil supplies.

I believe we went to Iraq over WMD. There would have been ample time to move them. I remember the night when the war started, I was at work listening to the news because I knew it was imminent. If I knew I am sure Saddam knew.

Taking into consideration he's a former chairman of the Federal Reserve, I'd say this is probably the "end all, be all" of all past invasion arguments. There's obviously more to it, though this seems to be a straight from the horse's mouth.

I am slightly concerned about the inclination of some posters to allow themselves to believe Bush is simply being manipulated, and is really, a poor good ol' boy who has been led down the wrong path, and is really good at heart.


Please, I ask of you, do not let him off the hook.


Remember The Bush-Bin Laden business Partnerships, September 11th 2001, The Iraq War, remember Bush is an Oil man and who belives God told him to wage war....remember Bush's family history, a Dad who was in the CIA, and a grandfather who was a Nazi collaborator.


Certainly, he is manipulated by others, but he manipulated ALL of you into believing waging an illegal war was right.


Now he bullies Iran, and other sovereign countries.



Do not let this man off the hook.



He may be absurd, but he is not innocent.



Not by a long shot.



Underestimate him, dismiss him as being unwitting, at your, and all of our peril.

reply to post by Regensturm


Excellent... I gave you a star for that post. bush minor has deliberately cultivated an Alfred E. Newman persona and while he isn't all that bright, he's bright enough to know what he is doing.

Originally posted by grover
while he isn't all that bright, he's bright enough to know what he is doing.

That's what sums him up for me. And other choice words, naturally.

Originally posted by mrmajestyk6309
is it not the "LOVE" of money is the root of all ...............I always see it as money IS the root of all...

Nah people are the root of it all, PEOPLE. But there are nice people too

Originally posted by Regensturm



Underestimate him, dismiss him as being unwitting, at your, and all of our peril.

Nicely said.
Like Ive said many times, DO NOT let him attack Iran, it will be a disaster, it will put you, your family's and your country at very high risk, it might be the beginning of the end, for The USA.

How can it be about oil when Iraq has not met yet the production and refineries of the crude since the war started?

Below is a link about some other reason why USA as gone to war against Iraq.

adereview.com...

kacou