Alan Greenspan claims Iraq war was really for oil

Originally posted by stumason
Er..cheers...

Perhaps some sort of link with a warning would be better?

I see what you were trying to do, but I wasn't quite in the mood to be seeing a boy with his leg blown off.

Reguardless it is the reality of the situation. And it does occur without warning, to those who least expect it.

Still, could you not just put a link?

Originally posted by stumason
Still, could you not just put a link?

Ask the father and the son in the picture.

reply to post by Valhall


Thanks for nailing the issue to the spot now what country comes to mind that is becoming a great danger to US supremacy? China, we can never allow China to have any chance to hold any vast oil reserves and that is why Iran will have to be next in the list of agendas.

China needs to be kept as dependant on oil as a posible.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Valhall

 

Thanks for nailing the issue to the spot

now what country comes to mind that is becoming a great danger to US supremacy? China, we can never allow China to have any chance to hold any vast oil reserves and that is why Iran will have to be next in the list of agendas.

China needs to be kept as dependant on oil as a posible.

Well, IF you could find my old threads (don't bother you can't my account is still gimped up), you would find that acouple of years ago I wrote up a piece on the emerging tripartite energy oligopoly that is being created by Russia, Venezuela and China - with China as the mastermind, or should we say "sugar daddy" of the union.

Venezuela has the largest non-mid-eastern-OPEC oil reserves in the world. China, a couple of years back now, brokered a deal with Venezuela that they would fund refineries and pipeline infrastructure for a "piece of the pie". Likewise, Russia has THE LARGEST natural gas reserves in the world. That same year China brokered a deal with Russia to fund the pipeline infrastructure into the CAR, I believe, for a "piece of the pie".

China is positioned to control the FUTURE of the energy industry.

EDIT to include "non-mideastern" when referring to Venezuela.

[edit on 9-16-2007 by Valhall]

reply to post by Valhall


You are right, I been following Chinas agendas for quite some times, but what I can not understand is why China has been allowed to go as far as it had.

Even to be now the holders and bankers of our nation, it makes you wonder sometimes what is the truth behind the deceptions.

reply to post by marg6043


marg,

What I find ironic is...

That the U.S. completely forgot what intelligent capitalism means and thought it could control the world economy with a war that has done nothing but put the U.S. citizenry into a government induced slavery system for the next decade or so while we suffer through recession, a collapsing capitalist economy and paying off a suffocating national debt, while Russia, the birthplace of Communism, and China, the last bastion of Communism are out schooling the world in the proper way to dominate in a capitalist system!

LMAO. During the Cold War Russia said we'd do ourselves in from the inside...damned smart-arses.

[edit on 9-16-2007 by Valhall]

Originally posted by marg6043

You are right, I been following Chinas agendas for quite some times, but what I can not understand is why China has been allowed to go as far as it had.

Even to be now the holders and bankers of our nation, it makes you wonder sometimes what is the truth behind the deceptions.

1.3 Billion Chinese consumers willing to buy US goods, or travel to the US as tourists?


That suits the US Corporations and government nicely, as does having a large resource of cheap labour to transport factories to.


Cuts costs.


Just what Corporations like.

reply to post by DocMoreau


Simple, he admits to something most people think to solidify the reasoning for war and draws people away from their other motives.

If he admits to the oil, that is what people will think instead of population reduction, NWO, and world domination.

Wow! It's finally admitted, never thought the day would come. Unfortunaly the general public and Repubs will somehow dismiss this claim, making the people who are open to the truth still look crazy! Better nowing than not.

Originally posted by Valhall

[post by Valhall

 

Venezuela has the largest non-OPEC oil reserves in the world. [edit on 9-16-2007 by Valhall]

Venezuela is a member of OPEC. It is also the founding member of OPEC.

Originally posted by assassini


Venezuela is a member of OPEC. It is also the founding member of OPEC.

Yeah, i left a word out...sorry. Non-mid-eastern-OPEC. Thanks for catching that.

Originally posted by BigDaveJr
It's not a bad thing fighting for Oil.

I am quite sure that if your country was vilified, had war declared upon it, was invaded, and then destroyed and plunged into chaos, your home destroyed with your family, friends, neighbours killed and or maimed, and after all this, you found out it was because the invaders and murderers of your loved ones wanted the black stuff under your feet........



I am sure you would not think the same.



I am sure you would not say material gain was worth blood.



But hey, as long as you are the one wanting oil, as long as you are not the one giving you and your loved one's blood for such GREED, then I am sure you do find it a wonderful, acceptable idea.


So as long as that poor person who has just found out he has lost his family and home is not you.


Who is to say it will not be in the future?


Because if that was so, it would suddenly occur to you how monstrous such a cause is.



But as long as it's not you....it's an acceptable, reasonable idea for oil to be worth people's lives in their hundreds of thousands.


Would you tell the maimed Iraqi orphan who asks why your country invaded his, and why his family was killed, the simple answer your logic dictates:


"Well, my boy, I wanted to make sure I could run my SUV down to the super mall....."


Would you?

reply to post by BigDaveJr


We are not "fighting" for oil. We are pillaging for oil. There's a difference.

Originally posted by franzbeckenbauer

No, Bush is NOT the leader of the NWO, and no, the NWO cannot be dismissed just because you think the USA cannot hide a conspiracy. The USA CAN hide conspiracies - look at JFK, to this day we don't know the real truth,

There has been no credible proof than a NWO even exists. It's not my responsiblity to prove that the NWO does not exist, it is your responibility to prove the NWO does. As for JFK, I accept the official reasoning behind the assasinations. Some people can't accept that fact because they don't want to think that one nobody acting alone can kill the president. Well, they can if the circumstances are right.

Originally posted by franzbeckenbauer
That there was a massive conspiracy to invade Iraq for nefarious reasons not told to the public is undeniable - we watched it happening. . Conspiracy is part and parcel of government; without conspiracy government (and politics in general) would not happen. The existence of a conspiracy simply means that 2 or more people got together to plot something; the Downing Street Memo PROVES that this happened.

The Bush Administration did exagerate on certain points to invade Iraq. If they hadn't, then most likely they would have not been able to invade Iraq. However, sometimes exagerating on certain points is required if you wish to preserve the security of the nation. There was reasonable evidence that Saddam was possible testing with chemical and nuclear weapons. He kicked out UN Weapons Inspectors and acted as if he had something to hide. In a post 9/11 world, the Bush Administration could not risk having a 2nd terrorist attack just because they were once again to blind to see the signs.

Yes, the Bush Administration did some bad things in this war. They might have conspired to exagerate points and not have enough evidence to know 100% that Saddam had WMD. However, there is nothing to say that Bush knew 100% that Saddam had no nukes or had no WMD testing of any kind. The Bush Administration decided not to take the risk and used politics for the security of the nation. Do I like how they did it? No, but that doesn't mean that they went in there for oil only and knew 100% for certain Saddam had no weapons of any kind. There is no proof of this.
We allowed terrorists on 9/11 to get through our borders and attack us, and we did not want to risk that again.

The Downing Street Memo shows that Bush and his administration exagerated certain points to invade Iraq. It does not show that Bush knew 100% well that Saddam had no WMD or that Bush went in Iraq just for the oil.

Originally posted by franzbeckenbauer
The prediction by many was that the USA would invade, carry out false-flag terrorism within Iraq to give it the excuse to stay (this happens on a daily basis; many of the "suicide car-bombers" are nothing of the sort but US/UK set-ups to justify their own presence)

So are you saying that the US Government is setting up terrorist attacks, killing their own people, so they can stay in Iraq? Do you have any credible evidence to back up that claim? We don't know what will happen in the future when it comes to Iraq. The USA will not stay in Iraq forever. Evenutally we will be getting a new president, and unless they're part of this 'NWO', things might be cleaned up relatively quickly.

Wow, what a great discussion has occured in this thread while I was asleep!

After reading through all your posts, two things I heard in the past regarding oil came to mind. I am sorry I cannot remember where the links are right now...

1. I heard that China/Iran are building a pipeline, so that China doesn't need to use the ocean route. I wonder how far along that pipeline is. Also, has Iran started their Oil Bourse in Euros yet?

I heard that was part of the reason we went to Iraq, Saddam stopped selling his oil in dollars....

2. I also heard somewhere that there is more oil trapped in oil shale underneath Colorado/Wyoming than in the Middle East, but the cost of removing the oil from so deep would be expensive, so something needed to bring the markets levels to the point where the the oil companies could stll make a profit out of it.

Has anyone else heard something like this? And if so, are we at that 'level' yet?


Greenspan obviously has chosen an opportune time to release his Autobiography. And many of you have made some very good points as to why America has gone over there, including oil. I have long thought that 'hydrogen fuel cells' would be a reality if all the Billions of dolars spent in Iraq had been spent on energy reasearch.

What I would like is an asset freeze of all parties that are making decisions regarding policy. I think that all the wealth the Bushes/Bin Ladens made on 9-11 and since should be seized and returned to the people. I know Bush doesn't sit in the "Big Chair" but someone should take have to take responsibility for all the lies, fraud and destruction.

I doubt Bush would have been so gung ho to shock and awe anyone if his war machine was paid for out of his own pocket. What sickens me the most is the fact that we get to pay more for everything because our fuel costs, in addition to having to pay for the conflict that is causing the prices to rise...

I didn't vote for Bush either time, I have protested peacefully before we went to Iraq, and I have tried to do my best to scrape by as a lower middle class/ upper poverty level citizen. I am not sure what else to do, besides pray that nothing else bad happens in the near future and try to have faith in my fellow citizens to wake up and see what is really going on.

Many times here at ATS we get caught up debating details, and tend to forget that at least we talk on the subject. Many others are either so brainwashed by their supposed wealth or are supportive because they think everything has to be a black/white, red/blue issue. I thank you all for such great discussion.

DocMoreau

Originally posted by 5aret
There has been no credible proof than a NWO even exists.

I disagree.

The very fact that they left thier calling card upon the currency proves that they exist.










[edit on 16-9-2007 by In nothing we trust]

Originally posted by DocMoreau
Alan Greenspan claims Iraq war was really for oil

AMERICA’s elder statesman of finance, Alan Greenspan, has shaken the White House by declaring that the prime motive for the war in Iraq was oil.

In his long-awaited memoir, to be published tomorrow, Greenspan, a Republican whose 18-year tenure as head of the US Federal Reserve was widely admired, will also deliver a stinging critique of President George W Bush’s economic policies.

However, it is his view on the motive for the 2003 Iraq invasion that is likely to provoke the most controversy. “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,” he says

Wow, I wonder why it took him so long to say it.
DocMoreau

Mr. Allen Greenspan.

THE man. The man who runs the numbers, something he has dedicated his life to, is FAR from a liar about the motives behind this war.

This is all about money, and trying to increase lucrative gain and prevent the drop in net worth of our money. Anytime the economy gets gummed up, a war is started to bring it back up to full speed.

This war, however, wasnt started in the name of terrorism.

Have you all actually thought about the meaning of the word terrorist?

Honestly, any man that picks up a rifle in the name of "freedom" IS infact a terrorist. Anyone who brings harm instead of help. Perspective can be put in place by the right choice of words, and by scaring the # out of the american people with talk of weapons of mass destruction, they show the lengths to which they will go to keep their control over the american people.

I don't know what its like in Iraq, or the middle east. Reading the news stories about all the violence there really does have an effect on your personal opinion, but in all honesty you are GIVEN your opinion instead of having your own by not having all the facts.

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, can claim to be an authority. It takes someone standing against the tide alone, sometimes, to show who really calls the shots. It isnt some room full of dark men, nor is it giant lizards/Norse men from outer space. It is that one thing that you supposedly need to survive, that one thing that keeps you alive and preoccupied as you scurry about your day away from the real problems in life and the world.

Paper.

Money.

Cash.

Dinero.

Moolah.

Change.

Dough.

Bread.

Whatever you call it. EVERYTHING is about money, and money keeps you quiet. It makes you do the things you don't want to do, from the garbage man lugging around other peoples trash all day to the porn star selling her body for an easy life. These are poor examples, but the only reason they happen is because someone pays them to do it. When someone wants something done, all it takes is enough money.

That is precisely what this war is about. Its about a bunch of wrinkled, lost, scared little boys who want to keep their toys, and play god with the world. Sadly, man was made only in gods image, not his majesty. I say god, and I refer to the one force that resides in us all. That little spark that gave us perpetual motion, and drives our conscience insane when we know we've done wrong.

The sad fact about this life, and this world, is that these scared children are lost climbing up an avalanche of their own financial gain. They will never know what it is to be human, nor to admit when you make an error.

The one fact that makes this all the more worse is that they have you all so decieved that when the governments TOP accountant comes forward and tells you all that it was about GREED (MONEY), you have the complacency and odacity to call him a liar, and an idiot.

With so much more to say, and no way to articulate the depth of it, I leave you with this closing thought:

Is justice the only right in this world?



[edit on 16-9-2007 by Knightshadowz]

reply to post by 5aret


Uggggh, just because we here don't have "proof" about the NWO doesn't mean it should be dismissed. If the only thing you look at is "proof", then you're missing out on a lot of knowledge. The problem with skeptics, you know, is that unless there is "proof", they won't even LOOK or consider the possibility of something else. Remember, O.J. got off.

Needless to say, if proof is the only thing your interested in, you might want to open your mind a bit and realize that maybe we don't know as much as we should.

reply to post by Valhall


VAL you always better with words that I can never beagain you just nail the issue to the spot.

I hate the way capitalism have become corrupt in our nation, capitalism is suppose to bring prosperity and good for the nations that embrace it, but now is been dominated by a few that all they wants is everything for themselves and wars are as good as everyday business.