Barksdale Missile Number Six: The Stolen Nuclear Weapon

reply to post by franzbeckenbauer


The main thing that I think you should take away from all of that is that 99% of the jets in ACC will not be flying on th 14th. There are a handful that are above this stand down order, and are on 24-7 alert for national security reasons. They are there incase we need them, its as simple as that. Im sure that they will get their share of training as well, only when ever they rotate out of their alert mission.

Mind Blowing !!!

Originally posted by pjslug
As scary as this situation is, the odds of our country detonating a nuclear warhead on American soil whose isotope signature can be traced back to us are extremely high. If they did do such a thing, which I'm not so sure of anymore, it would be made of nuclear material refined in Iran or North Korea. That way they would have their "evidence" needed to launch a counter attack.

OOPS!!! I meant the odds are extremely LOW!

It won't let me go back and edit the original post, so it should say this:

As scary as this situation is, the odds of our country detonating a nuclear warhead on American soil whose isotope signature can be traced back to us are extremely low. If they did do such a thing, which I'm not so sure of anymore, it would be made of nuclear material refined in Iran or North Korea. That way they would have their "evidence" needed to launch a counter attack.

So lets see, 6 warheads were shipped and 5 showed up? And this has not been looked into by the press (it would be a HUGE story) however, some obscure internet posting blows the lid off, lol. I don't think so. The press is not so controlled as to ignore this (but it is a non-story)

Just check the tracking numbers on the packages and have the courier investigate their os&d department, lol.

First and foremost, I want to correct the OP. No US nuclear warhead ever went off in Lebanon,OH. during the 50's. There has never been an accidental nuclear detonation in the history of mankind unless it happened in the former USSR. If it had there would have been a radioactive crater several miles wide near there where the nuke went off since the aircraft crashed into the ground. It takes nearly an act of God to make a nuke work properly. Considering the amount of fissile material used in the first nuclear weapons, those weapons today would be considered fizzles or incomplete detonations. The safety features of the nuclear devices worked as designed and prevented the weapon from going nuclear. If a weapon is somehow involved in fire and the outer explosive shell goes off and scatters some nuclear material, that is not nuclear detonation!

This incident with the nuke weapons being moved was no accident. ALCM's don't get loaded with nuke warheads onto a pylon without written orders. They don't get moved by Ammo Troops to the flightline from the Weapons Storage Area without an seriously armed convoy escort. I refuse to believe that a certified Special Weapons Armament Crew loaded a pylon full of nuke armed ALCM's by accident. A B-52 aircrew didn't perform a weapons safety check and didn't see that they had nuke warheads on their ALCM's? Both the conventional and training warheads for ALCM's have different color coded Safe and Arming Devices from nuclear warheads.

I'm a Retired USAF Ammo Troop that was nuke certified at 2 different bases with B52'Hs and F15E's. I moved and handled nukes at least hundreds maybe a thousand times. There's just no way that this happened by accident. This was a deliberate act under orders. Someone much higher up the foodchain than the commander of the Munitions Maintenance Squadron ordered those ALCM's to Barksdale.

Originally posted by shug7272
reply to post by Gools

 

Counting victims in a unfolding tragedy is hard... counting to six while looking at nuclear weapons.. not so hard.

I have yet to comment on this thread,but i just wanted to say Awsome line.Very true and breaks it all down to one line.

Bravo

Originally posted by azchuck
Theoretically, the weapon could be exploded "as is" or disassembled with use of the plutonium in a "dirty bomb". But pulverization of plutonium to a sufficiently fine powder presents overwhelming difficulties.



azchuck (thread author)

They have done a few plutonium dispersal tests on the NTS and what is now the TTR. Due to the high atomic number, it is hard to disperse the material.

A few years ago, I went to the NTS "reading room" and watched videos for about 6 hours. [Enough to get it out my system. ;-)] I watched some of the "broken arrow" clean up documentaries. Not very exciting. Well, I did find it entertaining when that general in the Yuba City video picked his nose.

I haven't had time to read through the whole thread here, but the author is right about the discrepancy between the first breaking report and the later reports... changing from 5 to 6 nukes.

Se here:

blogs.usatoday.com...

Report: Air Force lost track of five nuclear missiles

Mistakes by U.S. Air Force personnel left five nuclear warheads unaccounted for during a three-hour period on Aug. 30, according to Army Times.

Later report:

www.cnn.com...

Air Force investigates mistaken transport of nuclear warheads

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Six nuclear warheads on cruise missiles were mistakenly carried on a flight from North Dakota to Louisiana last week, prompting a major investigation, military officials have confirmed.

I thought this was odd ... very odd on the day the news first broke.

If this is true... and there is a missing nuke and it does go off in a major city what can we the American people do to expose this?

Well, all radiological material that has undergone refinement can be traced by means of a "radiological signature" to the source of manufacture.

So wouldn't that mean that if it does go off in a US city, it could be traced to being a US made nuke?

Wouldn't that alone prevent this member's conclusions?

Just a thought.

The thought that the USA would nuke one of it's own cities just to go to war with Iran makes me feel sick... really sick.

Just can't see it happening... then again what do we really know?

Great thread!

Originally posted by sp00n1

Originally posted by azchuck

I expect the nuke to be used domestically - on an American city. I have no clue where, except most likely a city with a Democratic mayor in a state with a Democratic governor.

This sounds to me like Albany, NY. Elliot Spitzer, Hillary Clinton, Rudy Giuliani..

Thanks for adding to my security. 'Preciate it Spoony.

Earlier today I was thinking about it and I came to the conclusion that our area was relatively safe. Seems I'm wrong. ^_^

Anyone happen to know if NEST East was activated or not?

So BUSHY is going to address the nation this thursday. We may want to listen for key words and watch for any hand signals. This is creeping me out. Thursday before the standown, just seems like perfect timing. What is it in the Bible that says no one will know the day? Well...it seems like its racing right toward us, we all know, and theres nothing we can do about it. Back to you Geraldo.

reply to post by crgintx

The OP didn't say that any nukes went off, he stated that the high-explosive trigger inside the bomb went off. Just conventional explosives. However, in some of the cases, the explosive trigger yield caused the plutonium to scatter and cause a radiological hazard.

OP, correct me if I am wrong...

If there is something planned soon, it could explain why Australia's Prime Minister, John Howard, is waiting so long to announce this year's election date. He's expected to announce it any day now, and according to the latest polls his chances are less than ideal for a win.

en.wikipedia.org...

I'm just speculating, but what if Bush mentioned something to him during last week's APEC summit? What if Howard was told to 'hang on and things'll turn around - give it a few weeks and the numbers will change'? He wouldn't need to know details, just that he should wait. If something major did happen this month, I doubt the people would be so inclined to change leaders within two months time.

Howard has been such a 'Yes Man' and good friend to the president, I'm sure Bush would do whatever it took to keep the prime minister on-side. And I'm also just as sure Howard would do anything for his 'bestest friend.'

Could it be that Howard is stalling to ensure his re-election resulting directly from 'planned catastrophic events' in the US?

Originally posted by pluckynoonez
So BUSHY is going to address the nation this thursday. We may want to listen for key words and watch for any hand signals. This is creeping me out. Thursday before the standown, just seems like perfect timing. What is it in the Bible that says no one will know the day? Well...it seems like its racing right toward us, we all know, and theres nothing we can do about it. Back to you Geraldo.

Every single generation since the bible was written has thought they were living in the end times. Well, two thousand years later we are still here.

There is an inherent problem with the U.S. dropping a nuke on a U.S. city and claiming it was Iranian. It would mean we would retaliate with nukes which would leave radioactive fallout throughout the whole middle east.

Ask yourself these questions:

1) What good are glowing oil fields? Radioactive oil has no value.

2) How would this help the zionist's plans? Nuking Iran would only wind up hurting Israel.

3) Any nuke dropped anywhere in the world would start WW3. No country will tolerate another "Iraq" situation. Any nuke dropped in the U.S. from the U.S. would start a civil war.

So as you can see, it's pointless to get yourself all worked up into a little ball of hysteria and fear over this. People who think conspiracy theorists are nutballs have valid points when reading things like this. I think more people should read my post on fearmongering and how more of it is going around ATS recently than in the mainstream media.

The only thing that could happen is a dirty bomb or a suitcase nuke going off in an American city, but it sure as hell wouldn't contain radioactive isotopes manufactured here in the states. If the U.S. was going to commit such atrocities, it would at least be smart enough to use nuclear materials stolen from an other country. Use logic. Deny ignorance.

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IF "Six went out, but only Five came back" (Sounds like a spaghetti western promo), that would be a major problem.


But I have trouble believing that the Pentagon would be so forthcomming with all the detail provided.

The previously noted "incidents" of prior years all involved crashes, collisions, fires and (non-nuclear) explosions.

This was a major "OMG! Where's The BABY!!!" moment for the USAF. I hardly think that it's something the military would own up to so quickly.

But what I really wonder about is this: Could this whole reported "incident" be just a cover for some other operation the military is hoping desparately to keep under wraps?


Pokeyjoe said something that got me thinking. Back on page 8, Pokey said that "it is real easy to tell (whether the missle is armed with a nuke or a dud); you just shine a flashlight through the window on the missle, if you see red, it's a nuke.Iif you see blue it's a dud."


Could it have been possible for live nukes to have been "disguised" as inert trainers well prior to this incident, resulting in a few live nukes being inconspicuously shipped off to Allah knows where, while their inert look-alikes stood in for them in secured containment?

If the Pentagon is to be believed, some one in the chain of command had enough heft to get 5/6 nuke missles released from storage and loaded onto a plane. Only by chance was that snafu made public.


Is it possible that the Pentagon's "I've soiled my civvies"-real fear is that if 5 or 6 nukes got loose, maybe more have already flown the coup, somehow?

Perhaps the broad stand-down rumored, for Friday, is actually a smoke-screen for a frenzied inventory of the nation's nuclear stockpile(s)? An opportunity to make sure that all the nukes that are present and accounted for, Actually are Nukes!


And if only one nuke turns up missing, I'm not so certain that we will be saying bye-bye to an American city in the near future.


Has anyone ever noticed that it would cost you many times the price of a new car to build that same car from parts?

"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll never go hungry."

A small, relatively advanced, variable yield nuclear weapon, light enough to be deployed by cruise missle, would be much more valuable as a reverse-engineering source, than as a semi-workable weapon.

And you wouldn't need "No Stinkin' Codes!", neither.

Originally posted by pjslug
The only thing that could happen is a dirty bomb or a suitcase nuke going off in an American city, but it sure as hell wouldn't contain radioactive isotopes manufactured here in the states. If the U.S. was going to commit such atrocities, it would at least be smart enough to use nuclear materials stolen from an other country. Use logic. Deny ignorance.

Oh, well. That makes me feel soo much better. Thanks.

Mod Edit: BB Code.

[edit on 12/9/2007 by Mirthful Me]

Evasius,Very interesting connection there man.That did'nt even pop into my head,now im really thinking.I believe if anything the whole 5 or 6 missing nukes thing is more intimidation to Iran.There is no way to bypass so many security measures,NO WAY.

They were ordered to go and the paper work was written.I still don't know what to think about the 6th nuke,other than they should surely know.

I'm far more concered of a U.S nuclear attack on Iran at this point then I am of the missing nuke,although some odd points make a 6th nuke considerable.

There have been somewhere around 130 bombing missions flown from the
Lousiana base this aircraft landed.They did so during the first and second gulf war,add that and the recent large increase in propaganda against Iran such as announcing bombing plans two seperate times withen 1 week wow.

AND this stand down could be getting more aircraft prepaired for the long haul over to Iran,this just came to me now......The more i read the more the pieces fit.. Can anyone find exactly what they are(or say they are) doing during the stand down time?.

Could this be briefing the pilots?!?! Or installing or preparing the jets?!?! Its coming together as I write,I'm going to cut it off now and see if anyone thinks this could be a possibility.I think ITS MORE LIKELY!!




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[edit on 12-9-2007 by Project_Silo]

reply to post by damajikninja


The OP sensationalized much of the history of what is now called a military nuclear mishap. If nuclear trigger really did go off , guess what happens? You get a nuclear yield as in mushroom cloud and nuclear fallout. What happened was a high explosive detonation. Any explosion above about 1-2 tons of TNT can be felt and heard easily for 25 miles and more. Add 168,000 lbs of aircraft slamming into the ground at several hundred miles an hour and your going to get a very loud bang.

I'm denying the serious nature of any nuclear mishap but the OP is IMHO fear-mongering and spreading disinformation.

If a false-flag nuclear attack does take place on US soil, the perpetrators will use former Soviet nuclear material so as to blame Islamic extremists.

Great post! This is the reason I joined ATS....Real mind bending info based on TRUTH..I think the post was correct that this was a message to Iran...But I think it also gives Russia the WTFs which is what I know NATO wants to do right now. We have Russian Bears playing cat and mouse with the UK and I know from friends that NATO is steamed over this...Again AWESOME POST

This past weekend the local Army base was setting off artillery rounds and doing life-fire machine gun training. I live 24 miles away and it woke me up Sunday morning. I haven't heard such activity from the base like that since I was a kid in the height of the cold war. . . More aerial flights as well by heli's and the new F-22's as well. . .

Meethinks something is just about to break the surface here...