September 14th: A day to remember?

well i think everyone is aware that "predictions" made on ATS are just speculation. i made a thread a few days ago about a prediction that didnt end up happening, but i dont regret making it because, we discussed some important parts.

the speculation is just people trying to put the puzzle pieces together. if it dosnt happen thats really a good thing.

plus if the next staged terror event is really going to be as big as it looks like it is shaping up to be, we probably wont be able to talk on ATS after it happens, as all internet will probably be shut down....

so let people speculate, but no need to be condenscending

reply to post by TruthWithin


I wasn't trying to be rude or harass anyone. I just see some pretty strange predictions on here and since I am a chronic skeptic about such things I always keep a box of salt at hand... hate wasting good salt throwing it over my shoulder.

[edit on 14-9-2007 by grover]

Originally posted by KnowItAll
Which of these do you fall into?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I know you are just trolling, but I read the list and its...

9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims.


[edit on 14-9-2007 by Copernicus]

reply to post by grover


Sorry Grover - that wasn't directed at you. It was meant for KnowItAll. I didn't get the response in in time.

honestly idonno ive been looking for anything in the news but nothing even seems to hint at anything though something wierd happenned this morning i was ssmoking a cig before school when i twin rotary engine plane from cannon AFB here in clovis flew over heading west this was at around 9:50 AM mountain time the reason im pointing this out is because i thought the entire air force was on stand down but this was clearly a military plane it was coming from the afb it was a military plane all grey the air force insignia on the side

This is standard operation. Things happened today, they had more to do with preparation though.

A lot of the dots have been connected this past few weeks, a gray picture has been formed, along with many true and false ones, just as one would expect during a Psy Op. We are hyped, response has been measured and logged. Next comes a relative period of lull so that we can begin to ease back into daily life and try to resume normality. Once that is achieved, it will be a better time to strike.

The white house release today that the national emergency is being extended another year, was one of the dots that does not bode well. As well as Operation Vigilant Shield, which is being conducted mid October. I do find it interesting that during that operation they claim that 3 cities will be targeted, which is the same number that has been repeated by numerous sources when hypothesizing about the next allegedly real or factually false flag operation.

edit: Of course, it could be many other scenarios, sooner, later, never, or forever. Only time and the actions of those behind the dark curtains, will tell.

[edit on 14-9-2007 by Ionized]

WOOO HOOO!!!! Boy this was a day to remember where i was. Its Friday and i got paid today. Gonna go out tonight and have some beers and a good time!!!!

I suggest a lot of folks on here do the same instead of cotinuously buying into the ATS scaremongering that goes on around here and being so paranoid. I mean everyone wants to blame the gov't for instilling fear of terror in folks heart's but really its sites like these that get everyone all riled up and paranoid over NOTHING.

i went to the doctors a few days ago .. i had tingling all over my body ... the diagnosis? STRESS ... ATS has caused this stress i came here being open minded, and a believer in most things at least as a possibilty.

The constant scaremongering and sensationalism is pushing me onto the side of skeptic and i think i should be hardcore skeptic!!!

All these doomsday threads are just a replacemenet for the sandwich boards of old predicting ' the end is nigh' most of these topics are unfounded and produce links that are just as flawed as the original posts themselves..

You people should be asshamed prolifarating mass paranoia with your predictions that simply have no basis in fact whatsoever!!!

Hardcore Skeptic here i come!!!!!!!!!! the true believers are being quashed with nonsensicle posts .

i might start a thread tommorrow entitled Sept 16th end of the world !!!!!

hey its guaranteed to get me ATS points right? ... disgusting ...

^ I agree. I mean i joined this site with an open mind as well but its just amazing to see the lack of education and even logic the seems to evade a large majority of folks on here. Dont get me wrong, its great to have a place to post things and discuss topics outside of the mainstream, but the amount of just absurd, paranoid, "they're out to get us all" fantasy land crap is just sad. I'd love to do a study to see how many folks are bi-polar, or paranoid-schizophrenic or just plain depressed and looking for an explaination for an escape to reality that they so desire.

Originally posted by TruthWithin
...So I started looking around for September 14th around the net and came upon a few interesting things....claims that no flights on El Al Airlines (out of Tel Aviv) are flying to the US on September 14th.

TWin,

just thought Id add two things, one of which may have already have been brought up later in this post.

My good friend celebrated the first night of Ramadan last eve. This would be a crazy if real reason for commercial flight delays? I am not insinuating simply pointing out a calendar date here mind you.

Secondly, I saw a bumper sticker in the South today stating “ if you love NY take I95 north”. As a friend of your great state, I had a quiet little chuckle.

Peace to all.
Scrap

reply to post by princeofpeace


I've read threads on ATS many times, and only recently made an account here (I usually don't care to comment). Having kept up with all the threads regarding the September conspiracy theories, regarding the stocks, the misplaced nukes, the grounding of the planes, the seeming connections between Iran and China and Russia and how it *seems* to be mounting toward a coalition of anti-western countries.. ..

And I agree that there is a lot of fearmongering here.

One aspect of the internet and the unique environment it represents that most people neglect to notice or acknowledge is how the internet can shape your thinking as a result of the sheer limitless amounts of data available to you and the different ways people interpret that data (and react to that data).

Inotherwords, if you are fixed to the news, it will always seem like theres something terrible afoot. In particular, if you are already distrustful of the government due to it's blatant inadequacies in handling the invasion and occupation of Iraq, and inadequacies at home, you will probably be looking for things in the news media to reinforce your beliefs that the government is looking to malign it's people, even if you are doing this subconsciously.

It's the same principle of how bias, racism, and strong opinions work. My philosophy professor once gave the example of a net or grid... if you have a preconceived notion about something, any information you obtain that does not conform to your opinions or beliefs will pass through the grid; you will not retain nor consider that data very often. However, if information conforms to your belief or opinion, it will be "locked into" the grid, or alternatively "caught in" the net. Meaning, you will retain that information and that data will likely stay in the back of your mind to reinforce your beliefs.

This is how racism, radical religious ideas, denial of hard science or data as a result of religious ideas/political ideas etc. are possible. A racist will hear about how a black, lets say, has committed a crime, in the newspaper, and a racist will retain that information in their subconscious as a sort of body of evidence to fortify his/her belief, even if that information rarely surfaces in conscious memory. I once found a brochure advocating neo-nazism near my high school years ago, and it spoke out against the usual "Blacks destroying society and Jews owning the media", and included newspaper clippings depicting some black men indicted in a rape case. That kind of information is meaningless to someone unless they already have a preconceived opinion about blacks, in which case it would probably fire them up and catch their interest.

What I'm getting at here, is that if you already have an idea about something founded not on hard evidence but on circumstantial evidence combined with your gut feelings (this is called an OPINION), you will likely look for and/or keep note of information that fortifies that opinion, and PERHAPS overreact to that information by becoming irrational or jumping to irrational conclusions. How does this tie into the internet in particular, as I mentioned before? Just as the television media brought tons of information and news broadcasts to the industrialized world, internet has done that tenfold.

So what I ask of you is that you try to stay rational, and look at "evidence" objectively if you can. With less poking around the bush (no pun intended), I'm referring to conspiracy theories. If you look at news reports with the mindset that the government has a hidden agenda (besides basic commercial greed), you will be able to find circumstantial evidence implicating the government in plot(s) involving Orwellian control of the country, agendas to start major world wars etc., because this is the nature of circumstantial evidence (it's CIRCUMSTANTIAL), and opinions. Consider that.

im still glad that we are atleast remaining vigilante despite people allways ridiculing for pointing to a day and nothing happenning because if we dont stay vigilante who will? oh and wasnt the air force supposed to stand down today because theres been jets in the sky all day ((i live next to cannon AFB)) in fact i just came in and there were two in the air right then im not saying ones gonna crash into....well i think hotel clovis is the most important thing here or the norman petty studios where buddy holly recorded his first hit ((and where i recorded my first album )) but its just wierd does anyone else live in close proximity to a AFB?? did they stand down all day there??

^ One of the best posts ive ever seen on here. Good job and i agree 100%. The internet is a new frontier and it does invite all sorts of opinions and viewpoints which i have to respect if not agree with.

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Great post!!! Too many paranoiid fearmongers over here, today it is 9/14, tomorrow it will be 10/1 because it is animal day blabla

Thanks.

I also want to touch on my thoughts on the nature of prediction, prophecy, and paranoia.

Every 10-20 years, the public seems to be fixed on a certain date that, gossip is sure, heralds the inevitable end of the world. There were tons of them in the 20th century, and of course the year 2000 itself, even a few between 2000 and now, and of course the current one, 2012, based on an obscure interpretation of the fact that the Aztec astrological calendar ends on that year.

I want to express my logical analysis of prophecy.

Nostradamus will be my example here. Nostradamus was a supposed prophet who wrote quatrains that predicted future events, as most of you, being on ATS, probably know. However, the problem with Nostradamus is that his prophecies are all extremely vague. They may contain rather specific names, numbers, and references to places and eras, but since there are a lot of cryptic metaphors he uses (cryptic to us in this day and age) and since his prophecies are based on observations of times far ahead of his level of comprehension of technology (assuming he actually saw the future), it would be nigh impossible to use Nostradamus' works as a definitive guidebook to major future events. Not ONCE has Nostradamus EVER predicted an event BEFORE it occurred, that is to say, never has anyone ever taken a Nostradamus quatrain and used it to acknowledge a future event BEFORE it happened. Rather, people have interpreted his writings AFTER major events as prophecies of those events, with sometimes admittedly chilling coincidence, or in most cases, rather contrived comparison.

So we can say that Nostrodamus' works, even if they all represent accurate prophetic data, are unreliable data because they cannot be reliably used to predict future events BEFORE they occur (so that we could prevent or prepare for them). All data supports this idea.

So if we look at bodies of evidence, such as ancient, obscure belief systems/writings/records/prophecies, and fit them to major events in history after the fact, we cannot say those are reliable sources of future prediction either, because they fail to actually predict.

I bring this up to tie into end of the world theories, such as the 2012 looming disaster that we assuredly all face.

Now, on the other hand, if we had a body of evidence that actually DID predict a future event, such as a bunch of news reports, some ancient prophecy, or Edgar Cacey's sister's uncle's fingerpaintings, we would not be able to know that the prediction is accurate until it comes true, and only if we make a prediction based off of the prophecy that actually comes true before it happens. Now, if we DID, we could still write this off as coincidence unless the evidence was too clear or obvious.

What I'm slowly and painstakingly getting at here, is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions about international affairs and conspiracies unless something concrete actually happens. So far our only concrete data that the government(s) are plotting anything malignant for their people (I'm referring to the western governments) has been the creeping and increasing denial of civil liberties in the name of wartime security/terrorism prevention etc. Other than that, nothing other than oil greed conspiracy has anything other than circumstantial evidence backing it. So what I'm here to say is, if you have a preconceived notion about the government, try your best to be conscious of the fact that you need to stay objective in order to see the big picture clearly. If you do that, you will not likely get emotionally distressed at events in the news media that appear to be pointing to a looming disaster caused by an evil regime. If something DOES happen however, that's when I want to see all the news clips being brought out, major discussions, and plans for action, because then we could look back at the signs and piece together what as a national community we should do next.

Besides, I think people underestimate how much the government can POTENTIALLY censor the media of they wanted to. If there was a large international conspiracy for a world government, the public would never know about anything that could be implicative of that, such as the very existence of bilderburg meetings, large international organizations with seemingly overarching powers etc. Not to mention, in order for a full takeover of the people to occur, there would have to be a sizeable army to enforce such martial law, which requires a sizeable amount of people who would "do what their told" despite our lessons from Germany, Cambodia, Russia etc., and among today's western countries I don't really believe that the entire army would volunteeringly convert a nation to a martial law state and run the 800 concentration camps "designed for immigrants but really intended for people who won't support the NWO, when it comes", as I've heard the last few days too. There are too many people who would not go along with the agenda, which is why it's much more likely the selfish population-abusing villains of the world are in big business, which has little oversight, doesn't require huge massess of volunteer murderer's/pillagers, and is fueled by a legion of share holders who want the company to grow at all costs so that they can profit the most from their investments. That's more realistic.

Anyway, my message today for those who can bear to crawl through my max-sized posts is that worrying about horribly events in the future, especially ones we probably can't avoid, will only make your present unpleasant. Don't be afraid of the world, even if it can be a scary place sometimes. The only thing scary in the world are people's ignorance, apathy, and blind submission to voices that preach irrational and extreme ideas. Enjoy today, relax, enjoy tomorrow, relax tomorrow, remember that MOST of the world population already has it worse than you on a day to day basis (and that catastrophic, horrible events are occurring to some of these people, google darfur.), so be thankful that you are in a safe, comfortable position right now, and think of them and what they are RIGHT NOW going through.

And, if some day a large coalition of governments armed with advanced futuristic weapons, mercenary armies, and an Orwellian agenda did descend upon us, I'd gladly take up arms against them with you, and we'll worry about it then.

And PS, check this out:

An Update to the Strange Stock Situation

I just posted a news update from a few hours ago on there, most recent post, might want to read up on that thread a little to get an idea of what people are talking about.

Well 10 PM and everything seems fine... I even bought Guitar Hero 2 for 360. Oh well. Let's see what the next date is hm?
*shrugs*

Nothing happened because THEY were watching,...Haa

The world is so much different than 09/11/01,...
their tactics have changed...
they monitor sites like this and so much else...
It is a different game now...

So we must adapt...

reply to post by Chiiru


Well, OJ Simpson was being himself again today, that was newsbreaking apparently. I guess he felt his memorabilia was his... it amazes me that the rich would spend volumes of cash on objects once owned by an acquitted killer in the first place.

Originally posted by coastlinekid
Nothing happened because THEY were watching,...Haa

The world is so much different than 09/11/01,...
their tactics have changed...
they monitor sites like this and so much else...
It is a different game now...

So we must adapt...

Exactly... we have to talk about how the government is trying to control us in code. Rubber ducky is now code for the government, and that whole statement is code for the word I actually will be using to reference the government, since they are reading this too.

Scary thing is, if they wanted to, I imagine they could monitor a lot of sites on the net using phrase searching tools or something. I don't know how that kind of technology is doing at the moment. It would still take a large amount of manhours to sift through all that material and censor it.