Police caught on tape threatening to destroy and invent evidence

reply to post by billybob


Don't know who this is directed to but, as for myself, I will reiterate that in no post did I defend the officer's actions. I stated that I do not see where he broke the law. Is there an abuse of power...don't know. Is there malfeasance....possibly. Is there criminal intimidation...very possible, but it depends on the Missouri statues on if or how this can be prosecuted.

I am backing the kid on this 100%. Everything I read indicates he was within the limits of the law, complied with the officer for those questions that needed a reply and acted in a very controlled and calm manner. His motives for carrying the camera are not in question and should have no bearing on this as long as this individual stays within the limits of the law.

It now seems that a can of worms has been opened. Frankly, if it exposes blatant corruption and abuses of power, then everyone guilty should face the consequences. I've never been against that.

I understand that most people posting here have been in a situation where they were a firsthand witness to such abuses. I can't make a blanket statement that all cops are like this because I don't have the facts. What I do know is that cops are human beings like the rest of us. They have very difficult, high-stress jobs that I'm sure not many of us would want to do. They do put their lives on the line, despite how we feel about them.

Is there a certain mindset or mix of personality traits that would make one more likely to be a cop? Don't know that either. You folks posting would seem to indicate that there is. And, from what you say, the traits are less than stellar.

Perhaps one of our fine ATS members would take the lead on heading up a discussion on how widespread the corruption is within our nation's police and sheriff's departments. Perhaps there are ATS members who either are police officers or were at one time, who could share their testimony and facts.

We are all to "Deny Ignorance". If this is such a widespread issue, I would like to know how widespread it is. I, for one, would like to 'Deny Ignorance' concerning this issue.

[edit on 13-9-2007 by Freenrgy2]

Originally posted by Freenrgy2

It's not oppressive, it's the terms of service you agreeded to when joining these boards. Let me guess, you're some lurker who finally decided to give their input and could care less if you get a warning or banned because you're not going to stick around. You only wanted to put your two cents in.

Your way off. I've never heard of this forum until I searched for this police
infraction. I am quite pleased to have found a group of thinking people
unafraid of their own opinions. I wish not to be banned. I don't know why
you are being so defensive.

oh wait.

Originally posted by Freenrgy2
My other concern is calling someone a repressed homosexual on a public forum. That, in itself, could be viewed as a slanderous remark and could get you or this site in trouble. So, think again if your remarks were for the good of the community or self-serving.

I believe this forum is made of nothing but opinions and speculation.
Sounds like someone else may be a little repressed.

Originally posted by ShadeTree Philosopher

Originally posted by Freenrgy2

It's not oppressive, it's the terms of service you agreeded to when joining these boards. Let me guess, you're some lurker who finally decided to give their input and could care less if you get a warning or banned because you're not going to stick around. You only wanted to put your two cents in.

Your way off. I've never heard of this forum until I searched for this police
infraction. I am quite pleased to have found a group of thinking people
unafraid of their own opinions. I wish not to be banned. I don't know why
you are being so defensive.

oh wait.

Originally posted by Freenrgy2
My other concern is calling someone a repressed homosexual on a public forum. That, in itself, could be viewed as a slanderous remark and could get you or this site in trouble. So, think again if your remarks were for the good of the community or self-serving.

I believe this forum is made of nothing but opinions and speculation.
Sounds like someone else may be a little repressed.

Wow, didn't see that one coming. [insert sarcasm here]
Again, read the T&C's that you AGREED to.

After watching the whole thing again, I am steaming mad. That filthy pig deserves a horse whipping and a remedial course in Becoming a Human Being, 101.

The kid made a few mistakes, because he was fearful. If he had simply stayed calm and called the cops bluff, he would have either been on his way much sooner and not have to sit there and have his time wasted listening to that jerk rant and rave and lie and bluff.

That cop told so many lies I lost count. He misrepresented thw intent and meaning of the law so often that it was almost laughable, had it not been sick. But the cop was ALL bluff; totally. He KNEW he was busted and tried to backpedal at the same time he was still trying to be the tough guy. He tells the kid that he MUST obey an officers orders, and when the kid tells him that an order to violate ones' rights in not a LEGAL order, the cop sems amazed!! Its like it was the first time this pig had heard about the Right to remain silent!!

If it had been me in that situation, here is what I would have said when the cop started his ranting:

" Officer, my attorney will be reviewing all of the secured tapes from tonight tomorow morning. If you want to falsely arrest me, that is fine. I already have enough evidence securely stored to show that you are acting totally unprofessionally and are violating my Constitutional Rights. If you do not release me now then arrest me and charge me. If you arrest me I will make bail immediately and consult my sttorney about possible legal actions in regard to your actions here tonight. I have nothing further to say until I speak to my attorney."

Then, shut the hell up and let the fool yell and threaten and bluster and bluff all he wants; your silence will only piss him off worse and since the scene was being recorded, there is little chance that the cop would physically assault the kid at that stage. The cop would have huffed and puffed and then gone away, if he had a shred of sense, that is. Full of adrenalin and lies, demanding obedience..sick.

You know what REALLY gets me? Theta scumbag cop actually equates asking a question, a legitimate question, like " What have I done wrong ", with a ' bad attitude ' and ' trouble '. Listen to the cops words; when the other cop arrives the idiot cop says that the kid had a bad attitude. The ENTIRE reason for assuming that is because the COPS THINK THAT ANY QUESTIONS OR ASSERTING OF RIGHTS IS OFFENSIVE TO THEM. Isn't that terrible?

For cops to believe that when we assert our rights to be a bad thing tells you all you need to know about their intent and attitude toward us. Cops should be GLAD that citizens know and use their rights; after all, if the cops are following the LAW and the RULES they should not mind close scrutiny or questions, and they should NOT mind it if we exercise our Rights. Only a BAD American would discourage anyone from exercising their Rights. Our Rights are precious and should be used or lost forever.

Since the cops think that using your rights and asking simple questions is ofensive to them, that means that their goals and ours are totally different, and that should be a cause for concern.Who do they think they are? What makes some cop think that he had some authority over us that makes us unable to use our rights? Why should we be afraid of our SERVANTS? That filthy cop in this case is not a SERVANT, he is a RULER, the MASTER, of all he surveys!! His entire kingdon is his jurisdiction and we are all his ' boys ' to insult and demean all he wants to when we DARE to ask what we have done wrong!!

Of cousre the kid did NOTHING wrong, the cop just was furious that ANYONE would DARE assume that he was not totally in charge and above any questions. This cop needs to be punished, severely and in ways that would remind him every time he wakes up that he is no better than we are and that he should treat us like employers and not as slaves.

The really sick part is that this cop is TYPICAL. Totally typical. 99% of all of them are the same, and without ptoof they get away with that garbage all the time. Everyone should get video and audio and use it. the sue em when they screw up.

Whether or not Darrow did anything wrong is still up for debate.
Why was he parking in this particular lot at this particular time?

Threatening an already irate officer with "secure" video evidence
of their behavior may only invite more violence against you.

If I was that cop and you said to me what you say you would
have said, I would have taken you camera with its "secure"
evidence and shoved it into your now dead posterior. Then
ignite your car containing the carcass that was once considered
to be you on fire, watch it burn, then report a car fire.

Challenging Police is a very dangerous hobby that I do not
recommend to any.

It is sad to see such behavior from a person of authority but
the fact remains that the good done by law enforcement
greatly outweighs the bad.

Used to be these were caring individuals known as peace officers.
They were willing to maintain peace. Lawyers, politicians, and
big business have hijacked this function to enforce laws that are
implemented not to protect the rights of the innocent but to advance
the agendas of the greedy.

All hail the not see regime.

Originally posted by ShadeTree Philosopher
Whether or not Darrow did anything wrong is still up for debate.
Why was he parking in this particular lot at this particular time?

I thought we lived in a free society? I thought we were "innocent until proven guilty"? Who cares what he was doing.

Threatening an already irate officer with "secure" video evidence
of their behavior may only invite more violence against you.

Good. Let the pig go at it. When it comes down to it, I'd own him later in life.

If I was that cop and you said to me what you say you would
have said, I would have taken you camera with its "secure"
evidence and shoved it into your now dead posterior. Then
ignite your car containing the carcass that was once considered
to be you on fire, watch it burn, then report a car fire.

And you would be in jail right now for more than just murder. What part of "secure" don't you understand?

Challenging Police is a very dangerous hobby that I do not
recommend to any.

So, we're just suppossed to bend over because they say to? Not me brother.

Originally posted by ShadeTree Philosopher
Whether or not Darrow did anything wrong is still up for debate.
Why was he parking in this particular lot at this particular time?

He did not do anything wrong and there should be no debate about this. In fact he indicated that he was there to pick up a friend. Whether or not this is true is irrelevant, but all we have to go on is his testimony. We can't assert that he was making a false statement to a police officer. He did not break any law pulling into the 24 hour public lot nor by parking there. He was well within his rights to not answer questions relating to his personal business. He did not refuse to show his identity when asked (required).

Threatening an already irate officer with "secure" video evidence
of their behavior may only invite more violence against you.

Perhaps you should read the transcript and watch the video again to see whom was threatening whom. Since when is standing up for your rights and indicating that you are taping a threat?

If I was that cop and you said to me what you say you would
have said, I would have taken you camera with its "secure"
evidence and shoved it into your now dead posterior. Then
ignite your car containing the carcass that was once considered
to be you on fire, watch it burn, then report a car fire.

And you want to make comments about the officer (or me) having repressed behaviors? What say you! Talk about issues.

Challenging Police is a very dangerous hobby that I do not
recommend to any.

Challenging your rights? So, we should just roll over and everything will be alright. I see nothing wrong with calmly stating your rights if being asked questions or put into a situation that would cause you to have those rights violated.

It is sad to see such behavior from a person of authority but
the fact remains that the good done by law enforcement
greatly outweighs the bad.

I would like to think that this is true and this may be the only thing we agree on.

[edit on 13-9-2007 by Freenrgy2]

I think when I originally said the drivers camera might have been running off a WiFi connection that I confused people. I didn't actually mean WiFi what I meant was a satellite connection. So I apologize for that. I didn't catch that when I first said that

If anyone here watches CSI there was an episode of a girl that was either raped or murdered in her car and it was caught by a hidden camera that was in the car that worked off a satellite feed. Everything but the recording was kept in the trunk. They opened a trunk and found a small pull down screen with the video feed on it. They later found out it was put in by her step-father to keep tabs on her.

Anyway, it is possible and not very hard at all to have these put into your cars. Like I said before they work in different ways. Some record straight to a DVR like device that's hidden usually in the trunk somewhere and others work off a wireless feed. I didn't mean like your everyday wireless internet connection that only works within a small range. I meant satellite feeds like news vans use that work in very large areas.

I also urge you all to just ignore anything said in this thread by Dr Love or whatever his name is. He's just trying to stir up arguments with certain people in this thread. I mentioned that a while back in this thread and I saw that someone else picked up on it and ignored the person for doing it. He also keeps changing around why he's defending the cop.

Dr Love...so you say that because the guy has been a cop for 20 years this is the only time he could possibly have done anything like this? Others are coming out saying they've had the same harassment from him and then suddenly his tape goes missing from the cruiser which gets him suspended.

He knew he did something wrong or he'd be using that tape to prove he did nothing wrong.

Originally posted by nightmare_david
then suddenly his tape goes missing from the cruiser

I think this should change. They shouldn't be able to delete them IMO.

As I said before. Who watches the watchers?

This is for Brett Darrow; I commend you for your actions and think that you probably did the community a favor.

I just want to say based on this cops behavior, "Watch your Back"!!
This cop was more than ready to violate your rights when all yoou did was ask some simple questions. Imagine what he is willing to do to you now, given the opportunity.

I'v dealt with guys like this my whole life and it would not suprise me if him or his buddies, if he has any, would make plans to hurt you or someone close to you.

I would consider a restraining order if I was you.

Originally posted by Sparky63
I would consider a restraining order if I was you.

That's probably not a bad idea. But, what of his cop "buddies"?

Originally posted by ShadeTree Philosopher
Whether or not Darrow did anything wrong is still up for debate.
Why was he parking in this particular lot at this particular time?

Are you being serious here? Why should he not park in that particular parking lot, at that particular time.

Originally posted by ShadeTree Philosopher
Threatening an already irate officer with "secure" video evidence
of their behavior may only invite more violence against you.

Again, are you being serious? It could be argued that Brett did the officer a favor by offering this information, which, as evidenced by the video, prompted the officer to change his demeanor, and settle down a bit. Also, the context in which this information was offered to the officer, was more defensive in posture than threatening. Brett felt the exposure of the information may prevent the officer, who he was legitimately frightened of, from escalating the situation even further.

Originally posted by ShadeTree Philosopher
If I was that cop and you said to me what you say you would
have said, I would have taken you camera with its "secure"
evidence and shoved it into your now dead posterior. Then
ignite your car containing the carcass that was once considered
to be you on fire, watch it burn, then report a car fire.

Thanks for showing us what kind of person you are.

Originally posted by ShadeTree Philosopher
Challenging Police is a very dangerous hobby that I do not
recommend to any.

Whether it's the police or not, anyone displaying the behavior of this officer needs to be challenged. You're saying, just because they have badges, they should not be questioned, challenged, or held accountable for their actions.

Originally posted by ShadeTree Philosopher
It is sad to see such behavior from a person of authority but
the fact remains that the good done by law enforcement
greatly outweighs the bad.

The validity of law enforcement is not in question here. We all know we need police, but you're simply questioning the methods and intent behind exposing the 'bad apples' in an attempt to make law enforcement what it's supposed to be.

Originally posted by ShadeTree Philosopher
Used to be these were caring individuals known as peace officers.
They were willing to maintain peace. Lawyers, politicians, and
big business have hijacked this function to enforce laws that are
implemented not to protect the rights of the innocent but to advance
the agendas of the greedy.

Yet you chastise those who are intent on putting it back to the way it "used to be".

Originally posted by ShadeTree PhilosopherIf I was that cop and you said to me.....
....that was once considered
to be you on fire, watch it burn, then report a car fire...

Oh deary deary me.
Interesting first day post.
So shall it be assumed that you are Dirty Harry meets Robocop??
Or just another armchair warrior hiding behind the anoniminity of their Big Mac stained keys??
I,ll take it for granted that no-one here was impressed by that little gem of information

Regarding the topic in question.It is no suprise that there are people in this world who are only too willing to abuse power that was given to them in the belief it would be used for good.

I am a firm believer that,since the public is paying for the services supplied the police,there should be a civillian committee in overall control of departmental discipline.
All these 'internal' disciplinerary dealings leave far too much that can be buried.

Originally posted by GriffThat's probably not a bad idea. But, what of his cop "buddies"?

Exactly. I saw one clip where Darrow's name was already on a chat site for cops. You can bet that they wont' forget what happened to one of their "own".

Someone mentioned that Darrow was baiting the cop. I say, "so what?"
Cops do this all the time. They call is sting operations or decoys....ect

If he had 20 years on the force imagine how many lives he could have messed up.
How many people now have criminal records or arrest records because of him. How many people have lost their jobs due to being arrested by this creep.
I lost a job once because a cop pulled me over and gave me a field sobriety test at 8:am in the morning. It was my first day at a new job that I had moved halfway across the country to get.

I passed the field sobriety test of course but the cop wouldn't let me go until he called for backup. I waited for 30 min for the backup to show up.
All this time the cop was asking me all kinds of questions about what Iwas doing, where I was from...ect . After the back up finally arrived he told me I could leave.

I asked him why he pulled me over..He said because I had "out of state plates." Not that I did anything wrong.

When I got to work my boss said that if I since I was late for my first day I obviously didn't want the job....
I can't begin to tell you the hardship this caused me, my wife & my 6 month old little girl.
I got another job, a better one, but I had to live with my in-laws another 3 weeks. Talk about messing up someones life.

I like the hidden cameras!! I know I could have done with that a couple of years ago. It's not just the US that has corrupt cops.

Shall be interesting to hear what happens next! If that cop is found to be as corrupt as he appears in the video, then they'll have to review every case hes ever worked.

Whether or not Darrow did anything wrong is still up for debate.
Why was he parking in this particular lot at this particular time?

If it is a public area, and he hasn't broken the law being there, then my response is - what is it to do with you?

Threatening an already irate officer with "secure" video evidence
of their behavior may only invite more violence against you.

If I was that cop and you said to me what you say you would
have said, I would have taken you camera with its "secure"
evidence and shoved it into your now dead posterior. Then
ignite your car containing the carcass that was once considered
to be you on fire, watch it burn, then report a car fire.

Are you serious?!

Challenging Police is a very dangerous hobby that I do not
recommend to any.

I disagree. Challenging them keeps them in check.

[edit on 13-9-2007 by mirageofdeceit]

People need to get over their fear and learn to call a cops bluff, in the right way. When they are threatening to take you to jail, it is a bluff; if they had legal cause you would be on the way there and not listening to him spout nonsense and lie.

Simply tell the cops that you are willing to go to jail and more than willing to sue them in federal court for damages. then let them stew. They will back off and if they do not, then follow thru and sue em. It works.

y'all are too easy. I guess I was a bit hasty when I said its nice to find
a group of "thinking" people.

everyone is in such a hurry to advance their own agenda you fail
to take any view but your own incredibly narrow one.

I am not siding with the "pig" as you so eloquently put it.

I am merely suggesting the dangers of testing an obviously
disturbed police officer.

eyewitness86 says

Officer, my attorney will be reviewing all of the secured tapes from tonight tomorow morning. If you want to falsely arrest me, that is fine. I already have enough evidence securely stored to show that you are acting totally unprofessionally and are violating my Constitutional Rights. If you do not release me now then arrest me and charge me. If you arrest me I will make bail immediately and consult my sttorney about possible legal actions in regard to your actions here tonight. I have nothing further to say until I speak to my attorney."

Darrow's cam was not, I fairly certain broadcasting to a remote location.

As his car burns so does any evidence.

My rant about killing and burning was just to make a point.
sorry if it was too dramatic for you.

Freenergy, perhaps you should slow down and read, in context what people write before jumping to conclusions. Thats no better than what the cop did.

I was referring to eyewitness86's remarks of what he would have done.
Not what Darrow did.

Mirageofdeciet feels that challenging police will keep them in check.
Go right ahead tough guy.
I bet you would not act this way in the face of an irate violent
armed law enforcement officer.

If any care to listen again without trying to only hear how wrong
the cop was but listen to Darrow, he definitely was being confrontational
with the officer.

everyone just relax and try to think. I know it hurts but give it a try.

I will no longer engage in this battle of wits with unarmed opponents.

Challenging Police is a very dangerous hobby that I do not recommend to any.

I disagree. Challenging them keeps them in check.

Then you have never had a cop beat you or take all the money in your wallet.
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So basically because a cop could Beat, shoot, arrest, ect, ect, ect, you should just take it?


Thats un American.


The spirit of resistance should be preserved, Letting these unjust things go by because of fear is the act of a coward, its the act which feeds the beast and encourages him to continue his acts...
They do what they do because we allow it, they get away crime because we allow it, We are the master they are the servants, if you have done no wrong,
stand up for yourself, you were born free, act like it, no man, no majority and no government can tread on you if you do not tread on your fellow man.