Gigantic Alien Craft Photographed By Cassini! NASA’s Cover-Up Blown?

Hey everyone ! I knew I had seen this on another site. I wouldn't post a link unless it is a credible site. This is the famous Google UFO site and it has incredible pictures! I hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving! Here is the site: ufoarea.com...

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I've seen these vids before. Says something about 'far above space and time'. But do we know how big these objects are, where they were photographed, type of camera, and approx location of these objects in space. I haven't seen any answers as yet. Needless to say, they're pretty intriguing!

Any details? Thanks!

Cheers!

Originally posted by timelike
I agree science doesn't know everything, but it doesn't know nothing! When it comes to gravity (this is my research area) we don't use Newtonian gravity for gravity waves- it makes no such predicition!!!!

Well, Paul, I never related gravity waves to Newtonian’s universal law of gravitation! They are discoveries in an entirely different time line. And a different approach to the conundrum of what gravity actually is!

We must use general relativity for gravity waves. If there was such an object there, larger than the Earth it would cause a gravitaional pertubation of the ring system. Much of the fine structure would be dissrupted, not to mention the effects on Satellites in the Saturn system!

What we’re up against is technology probably a million years ahead of ours! You must have gone through some of the papers from LANL (Los Alamos) on ‘gravity shielding’ and ‘anti gravity’. Apparently they’ve already got a little of this technology up and running!

Take for example the the Aurora SR-33A, which is a moderate-sized space-faring vehicle. The late National Security Council scientist Dr. Michael Wolf of NSC's unacknowledged Special Studies Group subcommittee, has stated that the Aurora can operate on both conventional fuel and anti-gravity field propulsion systems. He disclosed additionally that the Aurora operates out of Area 51, (Groom Dry Lake Air Force Station), at the northeast corner of the Nellis AFB Range, north of Las Vegas, Nevada.

Colonel Donald Ware, USAF (ret.) said that he had recently learned from a three-star General that the VentureStar X-33 has an electrogravitics (anti-gravity) system on board.

Then there is the Lockheed X-22A, a two-man antigravity disc fighter. The late Colonel Steve Wilson, USAF (ret.), stated that military astronauts trained at a secret aerospace academy separate from the regular Air Force Academy at Colorado Springs, CO.

The TAW-50, a hypersonic mach-50 anti gravity craft is jointly developed by the Lockheed-Martin Skunk Works (Palmdale-Helendale, CA) and Northrop (undoubtedly at their undeclared Anthill facility within the Tehachapi Mountains, northwest of Lancaster, CA.) Both companies have a history of development of secret anti-gravity craft at these Mojave Desert facilities.

Well, this is just an inkling of what Black Projects like the Lockheed Skunk Works and Boeing Phantom Works are up to in the fields of anti gravity and gravity shielding! And in the rings of Saturn, we’re talking of technology which is way, way ahead! Probably a million years more advanced than ours! So what do we know what they’re up to? And how they are shielding gravity, so that the rings aren’t perturbed? We need to think a million years into the future to even begin to understand what the heck’s going on!

The Hubble space telescope is not the only telescope that looks at objects in the infra-red. I suspect the reason none of these effects have been observed is, not because these craft are obeying "new laws of physics", it's because they're simply not there.

But then the HST DID image those huge objects in the IR spectrum. That’s an undeniable fact. So your contention that they’re simply not there is incorrect, if I may say so. The question therefore is not whether they are there or not, but what are they? Why haven’t the rings been perturbed by their presence?

By the way, I’m NOT propagating in any way that what we’re seeing IS alien intelligence! Or alien craft. These could be just natural phenomena. But I’ve an open mind. Whether we’ll ever get incontrovertible evidence that these are alien spaceships is another matter! So all we can do presently is discuss anomalies until the ‘Great Disclosure’!

Cheers!


Ref:
www.drboylan.com...


[edit on 20-11-2007 by mikesingh]

Originally posted by mikesingh
Well, Paul, I never related gravity waves to Newtonian’s universal law of gravitation! They are discoveries in an entirely different time line. And a different approach to the conundrum of what gravity actually is!

Well, goo that's that sorted!

What we’re up against is technology probably a million years ahead of ours!

Mike that's just pure conjecture!

You must have gone through some of the papers from LANL (Los Alamos) on ‘gravity shielding’ and ‘anti gravity’. Apparently they’ve already got a little of this technology up and running

I haven't seen this, I did a good search yet but could find nothing, perhaps you could find a link? I can't really discuss something I'm not familiar with!

However I can add this, let us assume that there are ET craft in orbit around Saturn employing some advanced grabity shielding. In my work with wormholes I know that there is a red shift near the horizon. Also, if a gravity shield was at work, then it must be generating a strong anti-gravitational field, so this would distort the light around it! One would see a light rays curving around the objects. Moreover, any radiation coming from the craft would be distorted (if not blocked- there might be an horizon which stops photon trajectories leaving the object).

In short this means that the images from the Hubble Space telescope would show a mass of non-uniform distorted radiation at best, or if they have the thing working to good order- nothing at all! This is not what the Hubble pictures show.

While it may be able to shield itself, there must be an equilibrium with Saturn's gravity field sionce the thing is in orbit there, such a g-field on the part of the object would still cause a localised purturbation of the ring system. Saturn's quick rotation means that, within a couple of days, considerable changes to the ring system would be apparent. For these reasons then, I must still conclude that there are no ET craft there.

Unidentified F Ring Objects

A solitary clump-like feature in Saturn's F ring orbits past in this movie sequence made from Cassini images. This feature is seen magnified at the bottom right in PIA07716.
Scientists are trying to determine whether these features are solid moonlets that help control the ring or just loose clumps of particles within the ring.

The images in this sequence were acquired in visible light using the Cassini spacecraft narrow-angle camera on April 13, 2005, at a distance of approximately 1.2 million kilometers (700,000 miles) from Saturn. Image scale is about 7 kilometers (4 miles) per pixel.

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The Clump/Moon Mystery
Scientists have long suspected that small moons hiding among Saturn's ring strands might be producing some of the unusual structure observed in the F ring. While the shepherd moon Prometheus is the main culprit behind the strange behavior of Saturn's F ring, it cannot explain all observed features. The current dilemma facing scientists is that Cassini is detecting extended objects like those pictured here -- that may be either solid moons or just loose clumps of particles within the ring.

This montage of four enhanced Cassini narrow-angle camera images shows bright clump-like features at different locations within the F ring.

Two objects in particular, provisionally named S/2004 S3 and S/2004 S6, have been repeatedly observed by Cassini over the past 13.5 months and 8.5 months, respectively. The orbits for these two objects have not yet been precisely determined, in part because perturbations from other nearby moons make the orbits of objects in this region complicated. Thus, scientists cannot be completely confident at the present time if they in fact have observed new sightings of S3 and S6, or additional transient clumps.

The upper two images show features that may be S6. From previous observations, S6 appears to have an orbit that crosses that of the main F ring. This unexpected behavior currently is a subject of great interest to ring scientists.

The upper left image was taken on June 21, 2005, and shows an object in the outer ringlets of the F ring. The radial (or lengthwise) extent of the feature is approximately 2,000 kilometers (1,200 miles). The radial resolution on the ring is about 13 kilometers (8 miles) per pixel.

The image at the upper right was taken on June 29, 2005, and shows a bright feature within the F ring's inner ringlets. The radial extent of the feature seen here is about 2,000 kilometers (1,200 miles); the radial resolution is 36 kilometers (22 miles).

The image at the lower left was taken on August 2, 2005, and shows a feature that may be S3. S3 has been found to have an orbital path that is tightly aligned with that of the main F ring. The radial resolution in the image is 3.5 kilometers (2.2 miles) per pixel.

The lower right image was taken on April 13, 2005, and has a radial resolution of 7 kilometers (4 miles) per pixel. This object does not appear to be either S3 or S6.

Structures like knots and clumps within the F ring often are transient, appearing and then disappearing within months. Repeated observation of the objects seen in this region hopefully will give scientists firm evidence about whether these features are actual moons that disturb the material around them or perhaps the short-lived products of interactions between the F ring and larger moons such as Prometheus.

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Catalog Page for PIA07716
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Other references

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ciclops.org...


Frankly, i don't know if this has been explained:
i've searched infos/updates but i've found nothing.
What could it be ?


[edit on 21/11/2007 by internos]

Has all the characteristics of some previously unseen shepherd moon to me!

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Wow! Well referenced internos! That image of the object in the F ring was pretty good. Another angle to the one I posted earlier on this thread. This is the image. The object is seen in the green square.



Corroboration? And no one in NASA is absolutely sure what the heck it is!

Cheers!



[edit on 21-11-2007 by mikesingh]

Theres an interesting article here if you care to read it.

Saturn


There are so far 52 known moons in orbit around Saturn. Before assuming that an alien has parked his ship in a pretty precarious position amongst moving house sized blocks of ice and rock, directly in the view of Earth, would it be safer to come to the conclusion that perhaps these are the results of gravitational anomalies created by 50+ asteroids and moons ?

Originally posted by Mark Horraaz

There are so far 52 known moons in orbit around Saturn. Before assuming that an alien has parked his ship in a pretty precarious position amongst moving house sized blocks of ice and rock, directly in the view of Earth, would it be safer to come to the conclusion that perhaps these are the results of gravitational anomalies created by 50+ asteroids and moons ?

First let me welcome you to ATS Mark. I see you just registered today.

Its possible that you didn't read the entire thread here before posting.

Its easy to look at the last page or two of a thread and make assumptions that aren't correct about what the thread is about and what has been discussed.

That said, Norman R. Bergrun who wrote "Ringmakers of Saturn" (Copyright Norman R, Bergrun 1986) hypothesized that the alien spacecraft which is about 31,000 miles in length and 2,400 miles in diameter is not 'parked in a pretty precarious position amongst moving house sized blocks of ice and rock". Bergrun proposes that the alien ships are actually making those 'house sized blocks'.

So if you had read the thread or the book we are talking about you would have known this.

Oh! And your proposal that the 31,000 mile long spaceship is a gravitational anomaly? Uh...I don't think so.

We are happy to have you as a member here at ATS and look forward to your posts. I would respectfully suggest, however, that you actually read the entire thread of a subject you intend to post on. That way you don't make the mistake of saying something that makes you look less than informed.

Mark Horraaz wrote:

There are so far 52 known moons in orbit around Saturn. Before assuming that an alien has parked his ship in a pretty precarious position amongst moving house sized blocks of ice and rock, directly in the view of Earth, would it be safer to come to the conclusion that perhaps these are the results of gravitational anomalies created by 50+ asteroids and moons ?

I'm happy to find out that what's UNKNOWN for NASA scientist is well known for someone else. My compliments, we were waiting for your lessons.
Some reference to prove that this is a Moon or an asteroid?
The link you posted explains something ELSE:
if you haven't the patience to read the whole thread, please be so kind to read at least the last ten rows before posting.
Thank you, and welcome to ATS.

Originally posted by timelike

Has all the characteristics of some previously unseen shepherd moon to me!

Well, of course it could be: as reported in the catalog page, these have been observed between 2004 and on 2005: i've searched updates but i've found nothing: i've posted it even in order to find out if someone knows more about it: heck, they had three years to find out if it's a Moon or if it isn't.
And of course i'm making neither assumption nor claimings since i don't think to know more about it than NASA scientists.
I just would like to share opinions about something which puzzled NASA scientists and consequently puzzles me.
If we'll find out an explanation...well; case closed, end of story, peace.
Thank you for posting your opinion, which is always appreciated by me


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My impression of the picture in the first page, because of its posision and color, is that it is a left over of a dissolved ring. Nothing makes me think of alien spaceships or bases.

Originally posted by Ghaele
My impression of the picture in the first page, because of its posision and color, is that it is a left over of a dissolved ring. Nothing makes me think of alien spaceships or bases.

Good! Another theory! Ghaele, could you elucidate what is a 'dissolved' ring, how it is formed, what are its material characteristics, and links to any scientific papers written about this concept/idea/theory/phenomenon?

Thanx!

Cheers!

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Your memory is quite incorrect; Jupiter is several hundred times larger than the earth.

Have you read the book "Rendezvous with Rama", by Arthur C. Clarke? The similarity of the ship's size and shape in the book and in the photos are amazingly similar!

Originally posted by jupiter869
Have you read the book "Rendezvous with Rama", by Arthur C. Clarke? The similarity of the ship's size and shape in the book and in the photos are amazingly similar!

Jupiter, if you have the time to go through this thread which has now become longer than the darn Nile, you'll see some vids I've posted on what Rama is from inside as also simulations of a fly-by through the huge cylinder. Interesting stuff!
Worth the effort of hunting that post down.

Cheers!

Originally posted by mikesingh

Jupiter, if you have the time to go through this thread which has now become longer than the darn Nile, you'll see some vids I've posted on what Rama is from inside as also simulations of a fly-by through the huge cylinder. Interesting stuff!
Worth the effort of hunting that post down.

Cheers!

There is NO WAY to find something in this thread: i gave up many times. It always happens that while i'm looking for something, i find something else of interesting and i forgive what i was looking for

I make a recap about the last posts, i think that this could help
1) The most important unusual structures are TWO
2) The unusual structures have been observed in the F ring
3) NASA scientists stated that "that may be either solid moons or just loose clumps of particles within the ring"
4) The objects in question have a provisional name: S/2004 S3 and S/2004 S6 this should help in order to look for updates

I think that somewhere there should be an explanation/update about it: for explanation i mean ACTUAL explanation, not "possible explanation"; heck, the one that YOU provided when you started this thread is a "possible explanation" too, isn't it?


[edit on 23/11/2007 by internos]

Originally posted by jupiter869
Have you read the book "Rendezvous with Rama", by Arthur C. Clarke? The similarity of the ship's size and shape in the book and in the photos are amazingly similar!

Originally posted by mikesingh
Jupiter, if you have the time to go through this thread which has now become longer than the darn Nile, you'll see some vids I've posted on what Rama is from inside as also simulations of a fly-by through the huge cylinder. Interesting stuff!
Worth the effort of hunting that post down.
Cheers!

Originally posted by internos
There is NO WAY to find something in this thread: i gave up many times. It always happens that while i'm looking for something, i find something else of interesting and i forgive what i was looking for

You guys owe me a beer for screwing my happiness. You know, I had to wade through this darn veritable obstacle course that this thread has become to find what you guys wanted to see! So here’s the vids of inside Rama! The third vid I liked the best. And the background score! Wow! Absolutely mind boggling! Enjoy!









Cheers!


[edit on 23-11-2007 by mikesingh]

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It would seem that identifying the objects in our field of view is anything but a science:

astroprofspage.com...

Interestingly, Rosetta isn’t the first man-made body to be mistaken for an asteroid. In 2002 a body dubbed J002E2 was found that is believed to be debris from one of the Apollo moon missions (Apollo 12). Another body, dubbed 6Q0B44E was discovered in 2006 and soon found to likely be another man-made object left over from Apollo. And in 2000, an object was found and given the minor planet designation of 2000 SG344. But, 2000 SG344 was also thought to possibly be a leftover piece of a Saturn V moon rocket (now it seems that it may actually be an asteroid after all).

Like i keep saying...it is all guesswork. the only difference is that their toys that they use to guess with are worth a few more zero's.

Interestingly enough, the author of the article has some comments about the Arthur C Clarke book mentioned above, too.

[edit on 23-11-2007 by bigfatfurrytexan]

Here's an image of a UFO near Saturn's rings purportedly given by a NASA contact.


Courtesy: Omni007

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Originally posted by mikesingh
Here's an image of a UFO near Saturn's rings purportedly given by a NASA contact.

Extraordinary pic mike.

Do you have the link to the original image?