Osama Bin Laden Video Discussion and Updates

reply to post by Leo Strauss

Originally posted by Leo Strauss
Blessed all please be with you in this time of trial... I love you as I love my family. Please be with us in this time of trial...Please bless us with your love and justice. The time has arrived and all is becoming attuned.

Please guide us lord of the heavens... Come to our assistance in our time of need.... OH merciful one please guide our love and justice...and lead us with your light...

Um, er, what the... Jihad comes to ATS?



[edit on 8-9-2007 by UM_Gazz]

Did we ever stop to think that maybe Bush was stating he did not care about Bin LAden as a strike to the man who's ego must have been stroked the week after 9/11 when he was on the cover of Time. I will never forget the week following 9/11, going to the store and seeing OBL on the cover of a magazine in a country where he sent 19 men, as he states in the video, to strike the US. Do not let the enemy know your true feelings.

This is another video asking for conversion, which is what the Islamic fatih states one must do before waging jihad. They first went after out government on 9/11, and they adre asking the nation to embrace Islam..again. However, this time his beard is different. Is this the signal? IN the past videos have been proven to be triggers.

Bottom line is that there is a threat in the video, and he points out the fruitless attempts the country has made including electing Democrats who have changed nothing....embrace Islam.

This is not a CIA op, this is a man with enough hatred, connections and power to again strike our nation.

reply to post by UM_Gazz


Gazz,

sorry but I am very concerned that there will be a major attack. I pray for guidance...it seems to be almost inevitalbe...I fear mostly a nuclear or biological attack. I have children and when I look into their faces I cannot begin to explain what has brought us to this point in history. I know it must seem a bit overwrought and I beg your pardon...however all signs seem to be pointing in this direction.

No need to be sorry.

Everybody can post here.




[edit on 9/8/07 by makeitso]

Originally posted by UM_Gazz

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
No offence Mr Moderator, but maybe you should have quoted " ....I urge you and your followerd to embrace ANOTHER religious faith."

None taken, My post was no more of an insult to him than his to I.

This whole thing just seems too contrived, to agenda driven. Timing, questions. It's time to sell war to the American people, the best sales person they could possibly hope for steps forward from the shadows of his sacred caves, just in time to?

If we are attacked... ?

i meant as far as maybe not him converting to another religion, but him questioning religion as a whole

him saying 'embrace' to me is like saying try to understand where they are coming from and agree to disagree

for all we know he might just give up religion all together and focus on whats important for man

pay me no mind though, i tend to read into stuff to much because i personally believe religion is just a way for man to justify his exsistence, there is no such thing as a 'right' religion in my mind

reply to post by Leo Strauss


Thank you very much for clearing that up, I suppose I spent too much time trying to analyze OBL's message and some of the words you used seemed similar as what is in many vague translated religious messages.

I understand why some are fearful, but it is much more likely that we are simply seeing a propaganda campaign here. If we live in fear, they already won the war!

Deny them your fear.

Deny ignorance!

Originally posted by esdad71
Did we ever stop to think that maybe Bush was stating he did not care about Bin LAden as a strike to the man who's ego ...

Yeah, some of us thought about it, and dismissed it. I don't think what slurred words come out of Bush's mouth is going to dent anyone's ego - let alone OBL.

Sorry, but, nah.

[edit on 9-9-2007 by Valhall]

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Please dont lump all Jews into the same box. There are many Jews who oppose all killing. Many who embrace pacifism. Hasidim in Israel dont join the military but they do work as doctors and paramedics trying to save people's lives.

Thankyou for that little bit of new information. It is appreciated and I wasnt aware of this

An interesting new article worthy of addition to this thread...

The reinvention of al-Qaeda

www.msnbc.msn.com

PESHAWAR, Pakistan - When Osama bin Laden resurfaced Friday in a 26-minute videotaped speech, his most important message was one left unsaid: We have survived.

The last time bin Laden showed his face to the world was three years ago, in October 2004. Since then, al-Qaeda 's core leadership -- dubbed al-Qaeda Central by intelligence analysts -- has grown stronger, rebuilding the organizational framework that was badly damaged after the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan , according to counterterrorism officials in Pakistan , the United States and Europe.

(visit the link for the full article)

His most important message "We have survived"!!!

The most important question should be.... WHY?

Think about that for a while.



Footnote: simply amazing contributions from so many in this thread, it has been a great read. Thank you all.

not sure if anyone has put this here yet.....

listen to this.... cache.libsyn.com...

talking about the obl transcripts and conspiracy theorists ......note that the show hosts will know absolutly nothing about a topic but will make fun of someone who knows 10 times more about the subject than they do. anyway check it out....
free talk live.... www.freetalklive.com ... all in all they are in the fight with us against big out of control government or nwo if you will.... even if they dont have the deeper facts of whats going on .....i listen to thier podcasts daily...right after alex jones of course. need to call em and educate them on whats really going on with the nwo and that spreading the word does make a difference.
freetalklive is the number one podcast in america i believe so they are a huge help with the fight...but they are just short with their facts...check em out..






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[edit on 9-9-2007 by Funkydung]

reply to post by Valhall


So dismissed for personal reasons or after true deductive reasoning. I think I know the answer but I figured i would ask.

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Please dont lump all Jews into the same box. There are many Jews who oppose all killing. Many who embrace pacifism. Hasidim in Israel dont join the military but they do work as doctors and paramedics trying to save people's lives.

Thankyou for that little bit of new information. It is appreciated and I wasnt aware of this

Your welcome. here's some more info if your interested.

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

www.jewishpeacefellowship.org...

On Coast To Coast AM tonight, they are talking about Flight 800, which mysteriously exploded after take off from Long Island in 1996. The guest tonight is saying that it wasn't an accident, that it was terrorism. He reports that many people witnessed a missle hit the plane, but this information was covered up.

Interesting subject.

reply to post by Trauma


About the video...it's just another example of really crappy and tacky editing on Al Queda's part, and just one more of a thousand reasons why I will NOT convert to Islam.

Originally posted by windwaker
On Coast To Coast AM tonight, they are talking about Flight 800, which mysteriously exploded after take off from Long Island in 1996. The guest tonight is saying that it wasn't an accident, that it was terrorism. He reports that many people witnessed a missle hit the plane, but this information was covered up.

Interesting subject.

Are there any threads on this here? I haven't heard of that one before either...

I have, however, heard of the use of shoulder launched SAM missiles in similar ops by the Mujahideen...

Originally posted by UM_Gazz


Osama is simply urging Americans to convert to Islam.

For crying out loud. THAT is NOT Osama bin Laden in that video! Osama had gray hair and facial hair 5 years ago, his eyes are different and his nose is different. I can not believe that people are so easy to fool just because they put a man on TV that "looks" like him. I mean does any one actually know what Osama looks like? It's all a big bull # lie to make the American peoeple scared of something that doesn't exist so that no questions shall be asked about spending money on NSA, CIA, FBI and other unknown agencys. Don't you guys get it yet???

Originally posted by ATSGUY
is it just me or does osama bin laden have a different nose in that video...the solution.

Exactly what my first thoughts were lol. This video is fake and most likely another public fear-campaign of the US- government. Bush should be impeached, he is the real 'terrorist' (and his gov. of course)

edi: didn't mean to double post but basically I'm agreeing w/ the poster above (didn't read his post yet)

[edit on 9-9-2007 by Bicyclerepair Man]

Funny that I am one of those conspiracy theorist that believe that the only one to benefit from Big Bad wolf Bin-Laden giving the go for another terrorist attack is my own for the people elected government.

Martial law, privileged powers, absolute powers over constitutional rights, we will have the first American dictator in the white house, he has made sure of that with all the bills to be enacted in a case of an emergency.

Many are looking into the wrong terrorist thread to our nation.

No parent should want their children to grow up into that type of tactical scaremongering.

Yes, we should all pray.

It seems that the video only targets religion how convenient taking into consideration the religious mentality of Christian Americans.

But, the real issue could be the veiled meaning that is hiding behind the conversion to Islam.

In American people is been geared to hate Islam, muslin and Arabs or at least to be scare of Arab looking people, because they could be terrorist.

With this said, the video of Bin-Laden is nothing more than a reminded to the American population that he is still alive, that he wants to take the religious rights of the American people and that Americans should be reminded of 9/11.

But the truth about This present administration war on terror and the hundred of thousand of people dying in Iraq a nation that didn't declared any war to us is to be forgotten.

The Corporate greed of the war profiteers and the mess in our own economy is also to be forgotten.

All because the big bad wolf has another video tape, anybody that has eyes can tell the deception behind this new tactics to keep the American people ready for the next move of our corporate ridden government and its desire to finish the job its started even before 9/11.

I think is doing a great job so far with the minds and harts of the American people.

Nothing else to see here, but I suggest you people keep an eye on the markets. specially the oil prices. Somebody will benefit finacialy occurs with this new Big bad wolf video.

marg,

At this point I have to conclude you have neither taken the time to watch a video or read the transcript because your last post is absolutely riddled with erroneous statements.

1. He absolutely didn't center just on religion.
2. He, in fact, repeatedly brought up the corporate power-mongering going on in our government system.

I have no problem accepting that you've set yourself in your theory and aren't going to budge - fine, but at least take the time to find out what the contents of the speech are before making statements about the content of the speech!

EDIT: Changed to erroneous because I'm sure the errant statements made were not intentional...in fact, positive of that.

[edit on 9-9-2007 by Valhall]

Originally posted by marg6043
Martial law, privileged powers, absolute powers over constitutional rights, we will have the first American dictator in the white house, he has made sure of that with all the bills to be enacted in a case of an emergency.

This is why we have all these new FEMA camps and secret facilities. In the wake of a new terrorist attack and possible military action the government must prepare for all scenarios, including the detainment of citizens who engage in civil unrest, stage anti war protests etc.

Interesting post Marg, and I am sure you are not alone in your thinking.