Russian Leader Calls For Urgent Delivery Of Anti-aircraft Missile Systems To Iran

Originally posted by Pellevoisin

As with most assertions claiming the numbers of casualties from a land invasion justifying the use of nuclear bombs, they are baseless and beneath contempt. Civilian populations are never to be declared enemy combatants and killed or simply chalked up as collateral damage. The USA only recognises this as truth when its own civilians are killed.

Baseless? If I remember correctly, the Japanese Army was willing to fight to the death, even to the point of arming women and girls with bamboo sticks and little boys armed with explosives vests to target American tanks when landing on the beaches of Japan.

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Japanse military Unit 731 and the vivisections performed by it in "the name of science" go right along with Nazi science from the death camps, and similar bastardisations of scientific inquiry by nations who perform and have performed experiments without consent upon their military personnel as well as prison populations.

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Yes. Baseless. Defense of one's Homeland is to be expected even to the arming of children, but drawing numbers of fatalities out of the air so as to justify the use of an unjustifiable indiscriminate weapon of total war is grotesque as it is baseless.

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
Yes. Baseless. Defense of one's Homeland is to be expected even to the arming of children, but drawing numbers of fatalities out of the air so as to justify the use of an unjustifiable indiscriminate weapon of total war is grotesque as it is baseless.

Well that pretty much makes sense. Land on the shores of Japan kids have the right to get their hands on weapons and start kiling Yankees that land on the beach. Nuke them and its unjustified. I'll just take my chance on bombing from the air than face kids willing to kill me.

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Of course they dont want us bombing Iran...the last thing they want is the U.S invading a bordering country. Not to mention China.

Originally posted by deltaboy
I'll just take my chance on bombing from the air than face kids willing to kill me.

Cowardice is revealed in many amazing ways as are crimes against humanity.

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
Cowardice is revealed in many amazing ways as are crimes against humanity.

O you that brave enough to kill couple of young ten year old boys and girls head on? Bravo for you.

Russia as well as China have an energy interest in Iran. Only the American Sheeple seem oblivious to this, thanks to the shopping mall regime that intoxicates it.

Simple math tells me we are fighting an Energy War. China's economy growing five times as fast as ours next year with five times the population and peak oil reached = America gives up some of the 30% of the worlds energy we're using, or.......... And I'm sure people here are smart enough to understand what that energy loss will do to our economy. Again, Energy War, plain and simple.

When that Electric/Gas bill @ 600% increase shows up in their mailbox the American Sheeple may be singing a different tune.

So what is the news from Iran?

Is Iran beginning to crack?

Iran leader rejects talk of a power struggle

www.reuters.com

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's supreme leader on Thursday rejected reports of a power struggle within the Islamic Republic's leadership and praised President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a fierce critic of the West.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's highest authority, was speaking two days after clerics picked former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani to lead a powerful government body, a move some analysts and diplomats saw as a setback for Ahmadinejad.

(visit the link for the full article)

Other somewhat interesting news links from today:

America and Iran The other struggle in the Gulf

Iran says Russia committed to finishing nuclear plant

Europeans Oppose Attack on Iran, Tire of Afghan War, Poll Says

US senators question India's Iran ties

Iran accuses US of backing Kurdish rebels

US trashes Iran agreement at own peril

Bush, Iran and Israel's Hidden Hand

Iran: Israel will be responsible for escalation in region

Former Official Says US Aiming at Iran

It's Iran we're fighting, claims Basra commander

What's Behind Iran's Release of Americans?


[edit on 6-9-2007 by UM_Gazz]

If things get bad, many lives will be lost. I have many friends internationally on the other forums I frequent. I and many people I know wish no harm on anybody. I respect your values and religion, but request you keep them to your culture.

I do surmize this. One way or another, earth is getting too crowded. The population will be cut, either by war, or by engineered "widespread accident of nature".

Getting back on-topic..does a Russian Parliament Vice Chairman have
the power to arm Iran with weapons? I have no idea how the
Russian decision making hierarchy is structured, but to me he sounds
like one of our US Senators making a suggestion to the Senate body.
If that's the case, there will be parliamentary debate for an indeterminate
amount of time before any "do it" or "don't do it" order is given by the
Russian president. That is..assuming that the Russian Parliament
works like a typical government body.

Good. Maybe this will help Iran defend itself from an illegal invasion.

C'mon people, we all know the sole reason why they are going in there, and it ain't because they have great banana plantations.

Again Bush/Cheney will steal oil from it's rightful owners because they are the greedy bullies they are.

I still can't believe people buy this "in the name of figthing terrorism" crap. If North Korea had oil, I can damn sure bet you that it would have 19 North Koreans on those jets. But since they have no energy reserves whatsoever let alone oil, that's why we let that psycho play with nukes all day without even talking about going in there and disarming him.

Why is the transparency of all this Terrorism crap so hard to see through for some of you?

You have to also understand that the Arms Market would be dead with no enemy. With the Cold War over, this new Enemy is Terrorism. Ah, an enemy with no face, could strike at any time! It could take us 100 years before we win! That's a whole lot of weapons that can be stockpiled in that time frame. The Military Industrial Complex has Americans by the balls and is pulling the strings of the US Government.

Just know this, rich people like to get richer, it's in their nature...and most of them aren't very nice.

I think if we go to war with Iran there will be a draft, anyone else agree?

Originally posted by carewemust
Getting back on-topic..does a Russian Parliament Vice Chairman have
the power to arm Iran with weapons?

No.

His position is equal as deputy (speaker pro tempore) Speaker of the United States House of Representatives.

Youshouldnt take too seriously what Zhirinovsky says. I believe that theothers in russian parlament arent as crazy as he is. He is ultranationalist who has stated for example that Finland and other neighbouring countries should be connected to mother russia etc. Plus he drinks vodka maybe too much.

At the risk of being off-topic, I feel a need to respond to this post:

Originally posted by deltaboy
If I remember correctly, the Japanese Army was willing to fight to the death, even to the point of arming women and girls with bamboo sticks and little boys armed with explosives vests to target American tanks when landing on the beaches of Japan.

You do know that it's a matter of record that Japan was actively trying to negotiate peace before the Bombs were dropped, yeah?

There's still some debate as to whether or not they were ready to surrender, but the war could have ended without nuking countless civilians.
Critical Asian Studies
Manhattan Project Interactive History

Sorry for the interruption.
I thought that was a point worth mentioning as there is quite a bit of ignorance about it (I only recently found out about it myself).

What we really need to do is find a viable alternative to oil, quickly, and do away with the large oil companies supressing any of this technology, then who cares which country has the most oil, it doesn't matter to us. When it comes down to it, i'm honestly afraid of what Bush and co are going to do, because I gaurantee it won't be for the betterment of the average american citizen. I personally don't want to die for something I do not believe in.

Iran is not Irak , the USA is in no position to attack Iran all they can do is talk. There will be no war between Usa and Iran because the Iran is too armed. No matter what you say, about who has the biggest gun just forget it NO WAR that's it , you already have done enough in Irak it is a pile of mess complete mess.

nothing wrong with the russians selling deffencive weapons to there aliies.
if the deal is struck that would improve iranian deffences (air) further more radar jamming might be a big problem thats all i can see but hopefuly they can over come that some how?

but the sale show russia wont stand by and wacth a ally be bombed by invading americans.

Originally posted by BitRaiser
You do know that it's a matter of record that Japan was actively trying to negotiate peace before the Bombs were dropped, yeah?

There's still some debate as to whether or not they were ready to surrender, but the war could have ended without nuking countless civilians.
Critical Asian Studies
Manhattan Project Interactive History

Well gee it took two nukes to make them give up. Not one. I wonder why...o yeah because of the Japanese Army confident that America had only one atomic bomb and cannot do it again. Well the second one surely prove that point ain't it?