Ruby Ridge revisited

I watched a documentary on the girl from that on Google video after she was grown up.
Rachel maybe her name was?
Anyway it made me very sad
So disgustingly filthy what they did.

Damn... I'd never heard of this event. In fact, I only looked because I saw "Ruby Ridge" and thought .. hmm.. wonder if that was Tom Ridge's stripper name while he was in college?

Glad I did look though... this is a horrific story which I think needs to be heard.

My thx to the OP for introducing me to the subject matter

One other thought... How the hell do you pull the trigger on an unarmed woman holding an infant? And how the hell do you live with yourself afterwards?

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Some of American's can never forget the fiasco at Ruby Ridge.

The ignorance of man itself is the cause though, not so much who shot who first.

Albeit, the Weaver family will never be the same again, I am sure the F.B.I. will never be the same again either.

The difference being the loss of lives to the Weaver family, and doctrine in what the F.B.I. is taught only teaches the cover-up mentality and abuse of power.

I have read countless books on the F.B.I., and the ones I see as the closest to the actual truth are usually written by ex-F.B.I. Agents who have misgivings in the system itself within the organization from the top to the bottom.

The mentality of covering up though is not wholly within the F.B.I., it is within the entire structure of Government, which is why people are so mistrusting of anything the Government says or does, whether it is beneficial to humanity or not.

Events like Rudy Ridge, the Waco Incident, and any other countless ones someone else might care to name are exactly what makes the people of the United States of America so terrified of our Government getting too much control to begin with.

Whether you agree with me or not, my point being that when our Government screws up, especially big time, if it were to admit to the mistake, or mistakes, and address what type of procedure, policy, or protocol will be introduced to stop errant behavior, or sheer stupidity, the public might one day be able to start trusting in those people who are supposed to protect and serve.

Until that day, and it will never come, the Ruby Ridge's, Waco's, and other incidents will be continued to be looked at as hard learned lessons and loss of public trust in organizations that can actually make a difference.

For those who have never seen it, Arlington Road has a very similar incident to Ruby Ridge, and I believe the director did this with intent towards not letting the public forget about this horrific event.

Originally posted by Resinveins

One other thought... How the hell do you pull the trigger on an unarmed woman holding an infant? And how the hell do you live with yourself afterwards?

You'd have to be either some psychotic crackhead on a 72 hour bender or a government employee. Both inhuman and capable of just about anything.

The government employee will always be the morally righteous of the two. After all he was "just following orders." Standing orders approved by Clinton and Reno.

I remember my dad telling me about Ruby Ridge 15 years ago. At the time, I still gave the gov't a little benefit of doubt, I mean, he was rascist, right? But they shot his wife and kids. That never sat well. After serving in the military any trust I had for our gov't went out the door. Thank you for making this post, it is an important event and evidence of what truly Patriotic Americans should be fighting against.

15 years later and I'd say our nation is even more vulnerable to such abuses of power. I consider 9/11 to be one such incident. Americans- humans on this planet need to be aware of just how far the powers that be will go to attain their goals. To them, the end justifies the means, and to me that means we live in a fascist society. I think the Constitution actually provides a solution for such an occurrence: revolution. Unfortunately, this option really isn't very realistic ( at least not yet ), so my question is: what can we do? What should we do? I feel we as citizens have a responsibility to do something.

Again, thanks for the great post.

It has not stopped. It just has not made the mass media news.

“I am sitting here at 1:00 am, and trying to figure out what has happened to our little farm.

Last Tuesday morning at 5:30 am a Game Warden arrested my husband on a Class 2 Misdemeanor for having a mammalian shooting enclosure without a permit. That was followed by agents from the USDA swooping in (9 different vehicles) and beginning the slaughter of our hogs. It is almost one week later, and it is still going on. We have 24 hour armed surveillance, we are not allowed on our preserve, we are not allowed to do our own testing, and they have killed 2 of our pet hogs that we had in a totally separate pen [separately deeded property not on warrant].

We are in shock. My husband has had a hunting club for 11 years and out of the blue, our lives have been taken over and our rights taken away. WE are being treated like drug dealers by the agents.
The Game Wardens are stunned at the way this all happened and have said they have never seen anything like this. Even one of the USDA’s agents from Ohio said he has never witnessed anything like what is going on here... Cindi Henshaw — September 18, 2006 Source: nonais.org...


On September 22nd, the agents departed because they decided that they could not kill all of the hogs. Henshaw was order not to do anything with the pigs other than feed them. That included treating wounded pigs and drawing blood for testing..
We went to court with Danny on March 02, 2007 and once again I am totally disgusted with the justice system.
While we were talking to Norman, Dan’s Lawyer he pointed out the laws that were sited on the original warrant. ( there were several quoted on the original papers) and Norman found, after a great deal of study, there was no law at all that pertained to this case, especially how it was carried out with no notice or warning to correct the problem, if in fact one existed. Basically the bottom line is Danny was convicted on laws that do not even exist. SO MUCH FOR JUSTICE….

In July 2000, USDA officials claimed in our court hearing that, “The farmers have no rights. No right to be heard before the court, no right to independent testing, and no right to question the USDA....” Linda Fallice

MAD SHEEP
Linda Detweiler—then head of the USDA and now employed by McDonald’s and Wendy’s—claimed the imported sheep had been exposed to BSE, and began the process of seizing the animals. But the owners of the flock, Linda and Larry Faillace, weren’t going to let the animals go without a fight. Scientists both, and experts on mad cow disease, the Faillaces were able demonstrate that not only were their sheep not exposed to BSE, it was impossible for them to have the disease in the first place. And then the battle truly began.

In March 2001, after months of harassment and surveillance—including USDA agents spying on the family farm from nearby mountaintops—armed federal agents seized what they had identified as an iminent danger to the American people: a flock of 140 organically raised dairy sheep.

“My husband, Dr. Larry Faillace, and I worked with the USDA for years to import purebred European dairy and meat sheep. When the animals arrived in Vermont in 1996, they were the first to be enrolled in USDA's “Voluntary Scrapie Flock Certification Program (VSFCP).” Scrapie is a disease of sheep from the same family of diseases as BSE, has been documented for more than 200 years, and is endemic in the United States. Once animals had been monitored for five years without any signs of the disease, a flock was certified “free” of scrapie. However, when we completed all the requirements, instead of giving us our certification, the USDA put our farm under quarantine, machinated false test data in an attempt to justify seizing our animals, stole our entire flock seventeen days before our scheduled Second Circuit Court hearing, killed every single animal, and then illegally quarantined our farm for five years—for a disease which does not exist.” Linda Fallice

Greg Niewendorp, East Jordan, Michigan

Greg submitted a carefully written letter to the Michigan Department of Agriculture stating his position and informing them that he would not allow them onto his property to experiment on his carefully raised and managed herd of heritage breed cattle as part of their USDA overseen TB herd eradication program. Greg has escorted off his property state police and a representative of the Michigan Department of Agriculture who had come to coerce Greg into having his herd experimented on.  After this program was instigated and the experimental nature of the testing procedure made clear, Greg refused to subject his herd to the experimental testing protocols.

In e-mail Greg has reported to me he has been under surveillance, had his out buildings serarched, had his home broken into, his computerized records stolen and his computer trashed. Reports of theft and tresspass to the local authorities only result in him being urged to "cooperate" with the USDA

"We had a sheriff's department group of about 11-12, I don't know, 13 men come into our home. It was violent, it was belligerent, they didn't identify themselves," she stated. She and 10 children were forcibly herded into a room and held there for at least six hours, she said. "In the meantime we had people with guns inside and outside," endgamenow.com...

Mark Nolt, a Wenger Mennonite (Horse and Buggy Mennonite) dairyman, threatened for months with arrest for selling raw milk without a permit was removed from his property by state troopers. www.dailykos.com...

Farmers have been subjected to harrassment, surveillance and arrest until none of us trust or respect the USDA or the US government. These are only a few of the stories, none really make it onto the news and would be completely unknow if not for the internet network of farmers.

I am bumping this thread in heartfelt memory of the tragedy of Ruby Ridge.

Ruby Ridge is not forgotten.

Google Video Link

[edit on 8/25/10 by silent thunder]

reply to post by silent thunder

Explanation: St*r for you!

Thanks for the opportunity to throw TPTB NWO own words back in their faces!

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights [un.org]

PREAMBLE
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

Please note that all edits to bold, underline and or italicalize are my edits for emphasis OK!

Personal Disclosure: Loved that song in the vid. TPTB sure did take Ruby Ridge to the bloody edge of madness! Lest we forget!

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Is it true Lon Horiuchi and a second agent died at Waco with entrance
wounds to their left temple ('friendly' fire?)

Originally posted by Freedom of Thought
reply to post by BlackOps719

 

Is it true Lon Horiuchi and a second agent died at Waco with entrance
wounds to their left temple ('friendly' fire?)

I've heard that but, not having been there personally, I can't confirm it.

I will say that if the agents are capable of having opened fire on a young boy who had turned his back and was running away from them, it would seem they are likely to have been capable of friendly fire as well.

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Thanks for the video. I had seen some before but never with Randy and Rachael.

To hear the FBI agent say he doesn't lose any sleep over this is sickening. Bastard.

Just wanted to let everyone know, Weaver's daughter is on Shatner's show on BIO, now.

Shatner is VERY much on Weaver's side, BTW. It's a horrific story, and he is very sympathetic.

On a side note, I once met a former ATF agent who had left that agency shortly after Waco. He wouldn't say whether he had any involvement nor would he comment on the 'action'.

Maybe there are more who will see the sickness, and refuse to be complicit in these crimes.

[edit on 30-8-2010 by Dogdish]

Not sure if we should have turned this on tonight.

We're already all tee'd off because our property taxes went up so high we're trying to figure out how we're going to make it NOW.

Then we watch this ...and well....there was a LOT of yelling at the tv tonight.

We had to turn it off.

For what it is worth:

Standoff At Ruby Ridge; Botched 'Anti-Terrorist' Operation Began With Series of Overreactions Series: STANDOFF AT RUBY RIDGE Series Number: 1/3 [FINAL Edition]

The Washington Post (pre-1997 Fulltext) - Washington, D.C.
Author: George Lardner Jr.; Richard Leiby Date:
Sep 3, 1995 Start Page: A.01 Section: A SECTION Text Word Count: 4479

It began when three federal marshals, of a surveillance operation that had spent more than a year spying on the white separatist, suddenly encountered Randy Weaver, his 14-year-old son, Sammy, and family friend Kevin Harris in the woods near the cabin. Every one of them -- the marshals and the members of the Weaver household -- was armed.

The first casualty was Sammy's dog, a yellow Lab named Striker, shot by one of the marshals. The ensuing shootout took less than a minute; when it was over, Sammy Weaver and Deputy U.S. Marshal William Degan lay dead. Yet throughout the siege, Weaver never fired a shot at anyone.

A federal jury later acquitted Weaver and Harris of murdering Degan. Most jurors, according to later interviews, concluded that Harris, who killed the marshal, had fired back to defend Sammy Weaver.

Source

This article, part one of a three part FRONT PAGE series in the Washington Post broke the Ruby Ridge / Randy Weaver story in mainstream media in Sept 1995. - It was this three part series that resulted in internal investigations of conduct in the FBI.

It was this writer who approachad Mr Leiby and said:

Seataka: Have you read about Ruby Ridge?

Leiby: Who is Ruby Ridge?

seataka: It is a man's name...

I'll never forget that reply... who is Ruby Ridge? And I went on to describe the story which was circulating on a fax network. This was before 'the web' was mainstream...the originator of the fax was a guy named Gary Hunt, who ran "Outpost of Freedom" Link



[edit on 31-8-2010 by seataka]

Originally posted by DeltaNine
What I meant was, you've got the benefit of hindsight (which as we all know is 20/20). As far as HRT knew he was a guy who had shot a Federal agent, not the entire backstory.

This is why we have a Constitution, which has only 1 purpose: to limit what our government can do to us.

It was ignored, making hindsight the only other option.

They were trespassing on private property. They shot the dog that lived on that property with the property owner, then they shot a child that lived on that property.

The next day they shot the woman who owned that property while she was holding an infant.

I do not need hindsight to tell them that what they did, and how they did it, was wholly unAmerican, and an act of tyranny.

Such apologia is likely the root cause of our laughably bad political system.

To The People with the Sheep and Hogs/ Run Ins with USDA.

Look up Monsanto (the 'seed' company). Watch the film. Yes, their
name really does stand for My Satan.
To the rest of you reading this post: There are people who want to control
the food supply of the world from seed to supermarket.
Part of this involves getting rid of small, independent farmers in any
manner, shape or form. If you produce food, you have to go.
The revolving door between Monsanto executives and USDA is well
documented. They usually spend 4-5 years with one company (Monsanto), then go over and work for the USDA where they implement
policies that will benefit their parent company (Monsanto) and be
detrimental to anyone else in America that is producing food.
[You can also look up "The bitter truth about aspartame", and it will
detail the crooked relationship between the FDA and pharmacies]
It is the same, only worse with Monsanto and the food supply.
Monsanto has already put over ONE THOUSAND AMERICAN FARMERS out
of business. Their legal department has a budget of over $1 Billion.

This is a general answer to your horror and pain, and loss of livlihood.
If you do this research, you will find your answers. It does not negate
the horror you went through; it will only explain the why. It is not you,
it was not personal.
Warning; Once you start looking, you won't be able to stop until you
understand it all. You will never be the same again, but much wiser.