Skinwalker: Our experiences

I am very familiar with that photo, i actually submitted this photo to the local news paper when we had our most recent cougar craze (refer to my website in my signature for more info).

I do NOT however see a wolf in that picture. That is a picture of a cougar or possibly even a housecat due to the lack of reference points. There is NOT a wolf in that picture no matter how much you F(*(k with the hues and contrast


also you seemed pretty versed in wisconsin lore. i'm impressed

[edit on 6-6-2008 by hiii_98]

Hey hiii_98, i don't think they are a cougar or a wolf either, i think they are imitations. They could be possessed but it is impossible to distinguish due to the poor quality of the photo. The same "entities" are present in either case.

reply to post by debris765nju


Not that we're taking a vote, but I don't see anything intrinsically unsuitable about debris's methodology vis-a-vis these photos.
You don't have to have an overarching theoretical rationale for why your experimental procedures, or your meta-analytical design scheme, etc. should work, especially when you first start out...you know, just try it and see what you get...throw out the net and see what fish you own.
Also, no doubt debris is familiar with the work of the wiolawapress.com lady, who (this is my first computer and I am very backwards still) seems superficially to be manipulating photos analogously, in order to pull up reptilian or hybrid appearances towards calling out (say Putin or Paris Hilton) as bad snake/reptilians.
I wonder if debris correlates wiolawa-lady's data-points...that is, if debris does his stuff on her reptilian shots, do those appear different as a group from what she deems to be a photographed human? (for example, that is just one question, plenty others laying next to it in the (debris/wiolawapress overlap of subjects)-conceptual-pile...).
So, uh, debris, have you ever used your stuff on some of them wiolawapress.com photos?

reply to nine eyed eel, i have no idea who or what you are talking about, to be truthful, its sounds insulting.

reply to post by debris765nju


sorry debris,I had zero intent to be insulting, please color me sweet and friendly. For reals.
If I knew how to type in a hypertext, or whatever, link, so that you could click on it and it would take you to her site, no doubt, you would see what I mean. But I'm still really computer-illiterate, lots.
But if you went to www.wiolawapress.com
you would see what I mean.
She processes photos, to pick out reptilians, implants, etc., from say everyday press photos.
Say there's a group photo, she'll pick out one guy as being reptilian, out of five, or whatever.
I think you might find her site interesting, I do. There's something I like about her, she has a plucky attitude like Doris-Day-takes-on-the-Martians (again, no insult to you or her, I like her).
And I wondered, if the photos that she picks out as reptilian-esque, would correlate with the entity-infested, that show up via your screening method.
No big deal, obviously, I'm not your boss. But if you check out wiolawapress.com you'll see why it seemed like a logical question to me.
Anyway, again, I have no disrespect towards you, and apologize for any inelegance of expression that gave offense.

Something I have to mention:

Debris mentioned you can bring "IT" back with you. Well, when I got back my golf clubs were missing. I always keep them in the same place, and nobody has my garage code. Anyway, I was going to go golfing a couple days after we got back and they were gone. I was going to call the police and figured I would wait until the next day. The very next day the clubs were in the exact same spot- it was amazing. It makes no sense.
Could it be related to the ranch?

reply to post by nine-eyed-eel

No offence taken.... UBFH, glad you got your clubs back. As to it being ranch related? It would all be conjecture at this point. Anything else unusual happening?

Immense thread! the ATS gods reward us finally for having to trawl through endless "america-versus-such-and-such, who-would-win?" debates . Must admit its rare for a thread so make me sit up and go "your f*cking kidding!" out loud quite like this.

Hii_98 and utahbigfoot,
couple of questions about your photos/expedition in general:

Unfortunatley id never heard of this place or phenomenon before so this thread was quite a revelation. Would you be able to shed any more light on the "sensor masts" you have pictured? what is it roughly theyre trying to sense? who installed them and why?

Also the "Baiting pen" you mentioned is intriguing. I assumed that as the place was a ranch it resembled a pen similar to what we have here in south east england for shearing/worming sheep etc, i thouht i might be the same for cattle. Though looking at it it seems far too small, the fences too sunbstantial and formidable and in a random location for that to be the case. What do you speculate the hell this is for? The fact its got what looks like a raised birdwatching hide in it baffles me still....

Also debris765nju,
Your input is fascinating, if confusing. How did you find you where in someway able to be aware of/communicate with these entities?
Can you give any rough metaphysical background as to what these things are?

reply to post by TheSilentProtagonist

Hey SilentProtaganist, I have always known about these entities. I see them when the light conditions are right
Other times, in the bright light and complete darkness, i sense them. It is not a gentle feeling, more like sandpaper behind the eyeballs. The advent of the computer age made it possible to process my own photos. I mean this in the sense that i could examine aliens and ufo's and other interesting things like pyramids, cave art and other similarly esoteric stuff. I kept finding the same entities, so i examined them too. In the beginning, they were hard to capture, they could sense the camera pointing at them (that small electrical charge in the battery) and they would "flare" with light creating an anomalie in the picture. They learned, and they adapted. They passed that knowledge on to others. We developed a working relationship, then a partnership of sorts. The learning is an ongoing process that will get better as time goes by.

Thank you guys for tackling the supernatural, and reporting back! its good to see that other have experienced something really out of the ordinary.
The feeling one gets when one finally experiences something ultranatural, for the first time is never forgotten, the mind and the body struggles to cope with the experience, and one is never the same.

Take extreme caution in that place, and always make sure you listen to your intuition, common sense and caution are the key to making it out alive and sane at the same time.

thats how things are done, one stops talking and goes to the experience!
i wish you all the luck in the world!

there are places in this world where "realities" merge and mix, I've experienced something similar to the animals and the strange lights and beings out of nowhere, it really changes the way we look at things, i believe for the better.

I had my experiences in a lake in Mexico in the state of Veracruz.

By the way, i don't see any strange beings in the "adjusted" pictures...

Hey One-eyesProphet, of course you don't see anything strange in the adjusted pictures, i could tell by your avatar.

I must admit im grappling to make out what you see in your pictures, Debris, however that first (or second:puz one of the campsite showing the outline of a bipdeal figure adjacent to the coolboxes i coud make out quite clearly. Rather eerie. Your pictures remind me of those "magic eye" 3d puzzles you used to get in the back of magazines.

What exactly is it where looking at here? surley if you play about with the contrast and shading your minds eye could see just about anything there?

These enetities, do they inhabit some sort of other physical dimsension or do they exist on a more immatireal astral plain? anything to put them in any sort of context other than just "fairie beings"?

Dr. Colm Kelleher is going to be sitting down for a rare exclusive interview on the ATSMIX and you can be a major part of the interview by posting any questions you may have here on this thread:

A Rare Dr. Colm Kelleher Interview. Post Your Questions NOW..!

Colm Kelleher is a research scientist and author. He received his PhD in biochemistry at Trinity College, Dublin and has 21 years of experience in the field of cell and molecular biology. In addition he was an administrator for a Nevada aerospace company, Space Sciences Inc., and was also Deputy Administrator of the NIDS, where he led the investigation at Skinwalker Ranch. He currently works in the biotechnology sector.

He has published 38 peer-reviewed scientific papers (in molecular biology, immunology, biochemistry and virology) as well as a number of articles in magazines such as OMNI and two books: Brain Trust (2004) and, with George Knapp, Hunt for the Skinwalker (2005).

This is going to be a "Hot" interview, and we want your member participation, so please come by and post a question.

Johnny

Hey there Utah & hiii
First off, what you guys are doing is just plain awsome, as I believe someone else also said, you definetly got some big cojones!
Im sure im not alone in this, but I get totally creeped out, just by reading your stories and can't possibly imagine what went through your minds, when these strange things happened.

I just recently learned about the Skinwalker Ranch, and man is it interresting.
Im seriously considering getting a copy of the book, "Hunt for the Skinwalker", has anyone read it ? does it have pictures, and is it worth buying?

Hiii_98 I think you mentioned going to the Ranch again, this time staying there for 4-5 days, any updates on that?

Anyway, thanks for the interesting reports, please do keep up the good work

Thank you Johnny Anonymous: Colm is definitely the guy to talk to and ask questions. I have very deep respect for him.


As far as anything else interesting happening. Something fairly big is that I am making a bit of a life changing decision and moving up in the general area. To many it may sound a little wild, but I have always felt as if I am drawn to northeastern Utah in general. In fact I once drove on a whim and ended up right by the ranch. I just parked and stopped, for quite a while. For no real reason. There is no rhyme or reason for me to end up there. And for those who know the area, it is like finding a needle in a haystack. This was before the ranch was publicized, and I thought nothing of it at the time.
I am now trying to re-trace those roots so to speak. I am relocating to the general area, not only for these reasons, but I feel a sort of draw or pull to the area. I am excited and just hope it works out financially, since I have no real profession I can fall back on in this particular region. I am sure everything else will work out. It is the financial aspect I am most worried about. I am convinced it is a good thing. Well, that's pretty much the biggest thing that has happened to me since our Memorial Day trip.

Hey UBFH, that really is a big step. The last time i was out there was four years ago, and though it was beautiful, it was sparsely populated. The area is way too close to Yellowstone's supervolcano for my peace of mind. If you don't mind my asking, what part of you is being drawn there?

Originally posted by TheSilentProtagonist

. Would you be able to shed any more light on the "sensor masts" you have pictured?

they were setup supposedly by NIDS organization to observe paranormal phenomona around the ranch.

what is it roughly theyre trying to sense?

bigfoots, lizard men, refridgerator shaped ufos, large bullet proof wolf like creatures, invisible hands moving their cattle, cattle mutiliations.. the list goes on and on at this place.


who installed them and why?
NIDS National Institute for the Discovery of Science
Read about Robert Bigelow (spell?)




Also the "Baiting pen" you mentioned is intriguing. I assumed that as the place was a ranch it resembled a pen similar to what we have here in south east england for shearing/worming sheep etc, i thouht i might be the same for cattle. Though looking at it it seems far too small, the fences too sunbstantial and formidable and in a random location for that to be the case. What do you speculate the hell this is for?

well not for baiting sheep or worming them lol. For tying a calf down with a stake and chain and watching it be mutilated... its a BAIT pen...


The fact its got what looks like a raised birdwatching hide in it baffles me still....

That is to observer whatever is happening with a live scientist, who typically has a camera and spectrometer on hand.

How did you find you where in someway able to be aware of/communicate with these entities?

its more of a feeling or internal communication. I guess some might call it telephethy others would call it insanity or talking to yourself lol.

Can you give any rough metaphysical background as to what these things are?

have to ask Debris.. my impression is that we were not dealing with a physical presense. Despite there being actual tracks left in the field and even saucer imprints on the ground. It felt trickster in nature and possibly evil which is such a subjective term.


[edit on 22-6-2008 by hiii_98]

Thanks hiii_98, there are a plethora of different phenomena taking place at the Bigelow Ranch, UFO's, portals, manifestations, animal mutilations, and more. These incidents have taken place here as long as mankind can remember. I think the explanation that skinwalkers are Navajo witches is wrong, an ancient urban legend. Shamen have always managed to find a way to see the supernatural world, fasting and praying, suffering, drugs. It is not always easy to put what you see in a proper framework for sharing with others. Many times, the proper words have not been coined and we try to make do with what we have. Witches denotes the inexplicable and the supernatural and is a catchall for the unknown.. I have posted a enhanced photo of an entity photographed in Australia (Australia UFO wave) video. It shows a partially materialized humanoid being. It also shows apparently free floating entities joining to the visible entity. like skin, hence the name skinwalker. You describe what you see in the simplest terms possible. Where do these creatures come from? I have photo's of them materializing from Craft, from "invisible" rooms on the surface of the Earth, from caves in the earth, and places like the Bigelow ranch that are "like" alien cities on the surface of the earth. There are also entities that can pass from one dimension to another, some even capable of transversing time. This is all that comes to mind at this moment, i'm sure there are more i haven't recalled or encountered.

WOW!! Great thread!!!

After hearing about Skinwalker Ranch a couple years back, I bought the book "Hunt For The Skinwalker" - scared the crap outta me. So of course I have wanted to go there and camp and see it for myself someday. Having said that, however, I am glad nothing really bad happened to you there.

Big kudos to you who went! What a great adventure.

And I am loving the photos of the beings too. Thanks!

On hiii_98 and Utahbigfoothunter's last visit to skinwalker, they photographed a track they came across. In many ways this is some of the best evidence we have. Examine the blue and purple area, you are looking for tiny faces. They are the hallmark of all manifested creatures. I will explain this because it is not common knowledge. When you have a race of beings whose sole physical attribute is their face and their only mode of transportation is cooperation, then each and every entity must take their turn at being the feet, getting their face pressed into the dirt. It leaves a image in the soil. Everybody takes their turn at all tasks in an orderly manner. The number of participants determines the creatures they can mimic. Don't be lazy, download the picture and magnify it.