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John Lenard Walson: Biggest discovery ever?
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hi important now mr jose escamilar is threats over the net to me
below from jose
joseescamilla (40 minutes ago) +1 Reply | Spam
Hey Lenard, yahwehlite is correct! I just made $10 million dollars CASH off Interstellar...wanna collect what you say I stole from you? Take my ass to court. Let's DO IT! You want your share? Take me to court...SUE ME jag-off! Let's go to court!
jose took my films and i try to stop him but he got mad and said he will kill me please stop him
From: [email protected]
Subject: One by One l will get you!
To: [email protected]
Walson,
BUSTED your dead mate! LOL! More coming your way pal. This is only the beginning!
JE
please read all this very carefully to the end, first i can prove all this live and will to the right person that will not scam me again.
you sound kind if you really want to know the truth try to read all this.
i just want peace but there is a producer at this time in the side lines that is told to make me look a hoax
he believes santiago Yturria Garza, just one thing how can any person trust and believe santiago Yturria a man that tells the world there are "Flying Humanoids" which are ballons
i also find strange how can the ones in control of the world news tell a hollywood producer trust santiago Yturria Garza that tells the world there are "Flying Humanoids" that are only balloons.
there are many more lies these people will tell you about me, its all about money and santiago is upset he lost his deal with the hollywood producer.
below is santiago telling the world there are "Flying Humanoids"
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=C9V8_7BZL_Q
but hear is my footage and files
All videotape footage and text ©2008 by John Lenard Walson. All Rights Reserved. Copying or Reproduction in any media are prohibited without written permission of John Lenard Walson.
i get attacks all the time from those ones at above top secret
i had to send this to one of them below Santiago Yturria Garza, is freespirit on above top secret.
HI ZRMUFON
i am john, NOT grid, why do you not ask Santiago Yturria Garza,
Why he with out any permission or right got cash from a Hollywood Producer to fly to LA with my films, and stay in a 5 star hotel all paid for.
To sell them to a very well known Hollywood Producer? we will keep his name out of this for now.
but Santiago Yturria lost his film deal then made up lies about me (john) all the truth is coming your way soon.
peace to all get your facts right before you make fools of yourself.
santiago, the mexican.
he took with out permission my OLD film years ago and sold it in his dvd collection of him at ufo shows.
i did not give him permission to sell this and i have nothing to do with his claims.
i have this original film because i was the real cam man
read all this very carefully please
i started to film objects in space fact, i try to get help to find out what they were , i ask nasa and a Professor Gerry Gilmore fact.
they told me they were space craft fact. look at there emails below fact.
they said go public fact.
now when i did go public to make a movie, i did not know who to ask or trust, i ask around.
people like jose at TBLN. COM and Santiago Yturria Garza, come in to the whole thing and made films and sold them with a small fraction
of my work, fact santiago got upset and started problems with me and jose.
this leads to no payment for my work from any person that had taken it fact.
i never give any rights to let Santiago Yturria Garza to do this he made dvds and sold them at ufo conference shows, fact.
i found this out then i try to stop them, fact.
they got upset i was trying to stop them and i found out Santiago Yturria Garza went to a very well known hollywood tv film producer
and made very strange claims with out me knowing to the producer about my films telling him they were alien crafts.
anyway i still try stop the thief taking my films but they got so mad i try to stop them they start a smear against me on Above top secret
this is the information you will find.
they phoned the Professor Gerry Gilmore and email nasa and told them i was nuts and a fake, they got people to make fake tin foil space craft and made films at the end of they garden to look like my films with cams so it looks like my stuff to make look like a fake.
Santiago Yturria Garza, is freespirit on above top secret.
and he will tell you i was a mr gridkeeper and john all the same person but this is not true and will be proved
correct in the feature film coming out.
just remember it was gerry gilmore that say go public not me.
so when people attack me they are also attacking him.
and hear are just a fraction of emails to prove the truth,
i have many more from nasa that will prove much more fact
credit you deserve for your skills.
Institute of Astronomy direct phone +44 (0)1223 337506
Cambridge University PA: Suzanne Howard
Madingley Road +44 (0)1223 766097
Cambridge CB3 0HA showard@ast.cam.ac.uk
UK
fax +44(0)1223 339910/7523
mobile +44 (0)771 2774522
e-mail: gil@ast.cam.ac.uk;
http://www. ast. cam. ac. uk/~gil/
From:
Gerry Gilmore (gil@ast.cam.ac.uk)
Sent:
Thu 1/18/0 3:37 AM
To:
john lenard (santamonicajohn@hotmail.com)
Hello again,
and again my congratulations on your superb astrophotography
You are clearly getting some images at almost the diffraction limit of
your telescope. In the very sharpest images there are hints of diffraction
rings visible on the edges of the satellites. That is of course the
absolute limit of optical performance, and is only rarely attained.
Interestingly, the process you have, of using a high-quality imaging
system, with fast read-out, and then selecting the rare ..perfect' images
is something which has been developed and applied somewhat by one of my
colleagues here. You might like to look at our local web page presenting
some of this:
http://www. ast. cam. ac. uk/~optics/Lucky_Web_Site/
You might also be interested in a journal produced by the
MIT Lincoln Laboratory - which is the group which has built some of the
things you are seeing. Much of what they do is what used to be the
Star wars project, which no doubt involves some of your objects. They
don't talk about the military satellites,
of course, but there are many dicussions of earth surveillance, and
related issues. It is distributed only to academic organisations, so
you may need to get your local library to borrow it, but you
may be able to get this (for free) from
Subscription Coordinator
Room L-054
Lincoln Laboratory
MIT
244 Wood Street
Lexington
MA 0240-9185
USA
best regards
Gerry
From:
Gerry Gilmore (gil@ast.cam.ac.uk)
Sent:
Sat 2/10/0 2:37 AM
To:
john lenard (santamonicajohn@hotmail.com)
Hi John,
thank you for the moon images: once again they show that you are an
excellent photographer.
There are of course many satellites in orbit, only a few of which are
anything to do with JPL, but these are readily seen by
astro-photographers like yourself all over the world.
You should just enjoy the excellence of your images, and make them
available as widely as is possible, through the public web-sites,
magazines, etc, so you can get the credit you deserve for your skills.
best regards
Gerry
people have let me down and taken my old footage
and now sell it on there web page i have never been paid for my old footage.
why has this man at TBLN. com still selling my films if he talk to gerry gilmore on the phone telling gerry lies about me saying i was fake.
i did try to stop tbln but the man at tbln starts a lot of trouble for me telling lie after lie to nasa and gerry gilmore
but he still sells my old films
i get horrible emails from the man at tbln
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 07:07:37 -0800
From: josesskyfish@yahoo.com
Subject: One by One l will catch up with you!
To: santamonicajohn@hotmail.com
Walson,
I'm sure you heard from Gerry by now. How cool is
that?
BUSTED your dead mate! LOL! More coming your way pal. This is only the beginning!
JE
jose says i am fake which i am not look he still sells my films
at http://www. tbln. com/nowshowing. htm
and
http://theufostore. com/Merchant2/merchant. mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Interstellar-DVD&Category_Code=DVD&Product_Count=87
some links to my moon footage but he has not got these films of the moon
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=taK2q7i46Go
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=JHRKjReGH4g
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=z6qOm-vrifI
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=kqkp0oMcXts
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=cYyyYTFwWkg
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=VGYwlCiYyc8
some space craft WATCH FILM IN HIGH QUALITY star wars project - gerry gilmore said what these craft are, he said quote star wars project . others do this Mike Tyrrell and Phil Masding, but i get closer there link
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=YTUiSNsmkCw
MY SPACE FILMS VERY IMPORTANT YOU LOOK BELOW
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=eB7_NwsYUmA
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=SubpmgfmBCU
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=qZjl-mXuIxI
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=I3ikmzcbF7s
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=eB7_NwsYUmA
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=0hhDNohQuY8
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=uSgt84OyB7Y
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=5WBzBWOtxzg
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=uCl7DZHTTdk
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=GSRdPS5yNhw
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=wQUyiOU1qKc
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=KIl57kyXowc
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=vRyc-XusMfM
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=jUooIyZzKTk
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=0o9RUWOvO9U
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=QgSMdKqvZrg
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=NI7jLkAGavg
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=YR-bwM4EfQU
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=0hhDNohQuY8
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=Wg5VJfG07mM
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=V1pc7Xcmw5U
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=gXDGJ7C3OsY
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=LHqA6WFNn3o
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=jw97-DPc0Ig
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=eKpaQoV1GRs
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=mRSDZlt5xF0
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=hRKOlTUUxh0
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=m0m8MrlOwYo
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=jzTsslV3Fto
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=ISYVMYHR_nQ
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=hSUh0GD68po
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=IfCoS6AcswM
below from jose
joseescamilla (40 minutes ago) +1 Reply | Spam
Hey Lenard, yahwehlite is correct! I just made $10 million dollars CASH off Interstellar...wanna collect what you say I stole from you? Take my ass to court. Let's DO IT! You want your share? Take me to court...SUE ME jag-off! Let's go to court!
jose took my films and i try to stop him but he got mad and said he will kill me please stop him
From: [email protected]
Subject: One by One l will get you!
To: [email protected]
Walson,
BUSTED your dead mate! LOL! More coming your way pal. This is only the beginning!
JE
please read all this very carefully to the end, first i can prove all this live and will to the right person that will not scam me again.
you sound kind if you really want to know the truth try to read all this.
i just want peace but there is a producer at this time in the side lines that is told to make me look a hoax
he believes santiago Yturria Garza, just one thing how can any person trust and believe santiago Yturria a man that tells the world there are "Flying Humanoids" which are ballons
i also find strange how can the ones in control of the world news tell a hollywood producer trust santiago Yturria Garza that tells the world there are "Flying Humanoids" that are only balloons.
there are many more lies these people will tell you about me, its all about money and santiago is upset he lost his deal with the hollywood producer.
below is santiago telling the world there are "Flying Humanoids"
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=C9V8_7BZL_Q
but hear is my footage and files
All videotape footage and text ©2008 by John Lenard Walson. All Rights Reserved. Copying or Reproduction in any media are prohibited without written permission of John Lenard Walson.
i get attacks all the time from those ones at above top secret
i had to send this to one of them below Santiago Yturria Garza, is freespirit on above top secret.
HI ZRMUFON
i am john, NOT grid, why do you not ask Santiago Yturria Garza,
Why he with out any permission or right got cash from a Hollywood Producer to fly to LA with my films, and stay in a 5 star hotel all paid for.
To sell them to a very well known Hollywood Producer? we will keep his name out of this for now.
but Santiago Yturria lost his film deal then made up lies about me (john) all the truth is coming your way soon.
peace to all get your facts right before you make fools of yourself.
santiago, the mexican.
he took with out permission my OLD film years ago and sold it in his dvd collection of him at ufo shows.
i did not give him permission to sell this and i have nothing to do with his claims.
i have this original film because i was the real cam man
read all this very carefully please
i started to film objects in space fact, i try to get help to find out what they were , i ask nasa and a Professor Gerry Gilmore fact.
they told me they were space craft fact. look at there emails below fact.
they said go public fact.
now when i did go public to make a movie, i did not know who to ask or trust, i ask around.
people like jose at TBLN. COM and Santiago Yturria Garza, come in to the whole thing and made films and sold them with a small fraction
of my work, fact santiago got upset and started problems with me and jose.
this leads to no payment for my work from any person that had taken it fact.
i never give any rights to let Santiago Yturria Garza to do this he made dvds and sold them at ufo conference shows, fact.
i found this out then i try to stop them, fact.
they got upset i was trying to stop them and i found out Santiago Yturria Garza went to a very well known hollywood tv film producer
and made very strange claims with out me knowing to the producer about my films telling him they were alien crafts.
anyway i still try stop the thief taking my films but they got so mad i try to stop them they start a smear against me on Above top secret
this is the information you will find.
they phoned the Professor Gerry Gilmore and email nasa and told them i was nuts and a fake, they got people to make fake tin foil space craft and made films at the end of they garden to look like my films with cams so it looks like my stuff to make look like a fake.
Santiago Yturria Garza, is freespirit on above top secret.
and he will tell you i was a mr gridkeeper and john all the same person but this is not true and will be proved
correct in the feature film coming out.
just remember it was gerry gilmore that say go public not me.
so when people attack me they are also attacking him.
and hear are just a fraction of emails to prove the truth,
i have many more from nasa that will prove much more fact
credit you deserve for your skills.
Institute of Astronomy direct phone +44 (0)1223 337506
Cambridge University PA: Suzanne Howard
Madingley Road +44 (0)1223 766097
Cambridge CB3 0HA showard@ast.cam.ac.uk
UK
fax +44(0)1223 339910/7523
mobile +44 (0)771 2774522
e-mail: gil@ast.cam.ac.uk;
http://www. ast. cam. ac. uk/~gil/
From:
Gerry Gilmore (gil@ast.cam.ac.uk)
Sent:
Thu 1/18/0 3:37 AM
To:
john lenard (santamonicajohn@hotmail.com)
Hello again,
and again my congratulations on your superb astrophotography
You are clearly getting some images at almost the diffraction limit of
your telescope. In the very sharpest images there are hints of diffraction
rings visible on the edges of the satellites. That is of course the
absolute limit of optical performance, and is only rarely attained.
Interestingly, the process you have, of using a high-quality imaging
system, with fast read-out, and then selecting the rare ..perfect' images
is something which has been developed and applied somewhat by one of my
colleagues here. You might like to look at our local web page presenting
some of this:
http://www. ast. cam. ac. uk/~optics/Lucky_Web_Site/
You might also be interested in a journal produced by the
MIT Lincoln Laboratory - which is the group which has built some of the
things you are seeing. Much of what they do is what used to be the
Star wars project, which no doubt involves some of your objects. They
don't talk about the military satellites,
of course, but there are many dicussions of earth surveillance, and
related issues. It is distributed only to academic organisations, so
you may need to get your local library to borrow it, but you
may be able to get this (for free) from
Subscription Coordinator
Room L-054
Lincoln Laboratory
MIT
244 Wood Street
Lexington
MA 0240-9185
USA
best regards
Gerry
From:
Gerry Gilmore (gil@ast.cam.ac.uk)
Sent:
Sat 2/10/0 2:37 AM
To:
john lenard (santamonicajohn@hotmail.com)
Hi John,
thank you for the moon images: once again they show that you are an
excellent photographer.
There are of course many satellites in orbit, only a few of which are
anything to do with JPL, but these are readily seen by
astro-photographers like yourself all over the world.
You should just enjoy the excellence of your images, and make them
available as widely as is possible, through the public web-sites,
magazines, etc, so you can get the credit you deserve for your skills.
best regards
Gerry
people have let me down and taken my old footage
and now sell it on there web page i have never been paid for my old footage.
why has this man at TBLN. com still selling my films if he talk to gerry gilmore on the phone telling gerry lies about me saying i was fake.
i did try to stop tbln but the man at tbln starts a lot of trouble for me telling lie after lie to nasa and gerry gilmore
but he still sells my old films
i get horrible emails from the man at tbln
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 07:07:37 -0800
From: josesskyfish@yahoo.com
Subject: One by One l will catch up with you!
To: santamonicajohn@hotmail.com
Walson,
I'm sure you heard from Gerry by now. How cool is
that?
BUSTED your dead mate! LOL! More coming your way pal. This is only the beginning!
JE
jose says i am fake which i am not look he still sells my films
at http://www. tbln. com/nowshowing. htm
and
http://theufostore. com/Merchant2/merchant. mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Interstellar-DVD&Category_Code=DVD&Product_Count=87
some links to my moon footage but he has not got these films of the moon
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=taK2q7i46Go
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=JHRKjReGH4g
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=z6qOm-vrifI
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=kqkp0oMcXts
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=cYyyYTFwWkg
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=VGYwlCiYyc8
some space craft WATCH FILM IN HIGH QUALITY star wars project - gerry gilmore said what these craft are, he said quote star wars project . others do this Mike Tyrrell and Phil Masding, but i get closer there link
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=YTUiSNsmkCw
MY SPACE FILMS VERY IMPORTANT YOU LOOK BELOW
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=eB7_NwsYUmA
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=SubpmgfmBCU
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=qZjl-mXuIxI
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=I3ikmzcbF7s
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=eB7_NwsYUmA
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=0hhDNohQuY8
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=uSgt84OyB7Y
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=5WBzBWOtxzg
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=uCl7DZHTTdk
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=GSRdPS5yNhw
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=wQUyiOU1qKc
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=KIl57kyXowc
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=vRyc-XusMfM
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=jUooIyZzKTk
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=0o9RUWOvO9U
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=QgSMdKqvZrg
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=NI7jLkAGavg
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=YR-bwM4EfQU
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=0hhDNohQuY8
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=Wg5VJfG07mM
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=V1pc7Xcmw5U
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=gXDGJ7C3OsY
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=LHqA6WFNn3o
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=jw97-DPc0Ig
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=eKpaQoV1GRs
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=mRSDZlt5xF0
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=hRKOlTUUxh0
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=m0m8MrlOwYo
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=jzTsslV3Fto
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=ISYVMYHR_nQ
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=hSUh0GD68po
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=IfCoS6AcswM
reply to post by MetisElara
hi important now mr jose Escamilla attacks me
i think the husband of Saskia Kraft van Erme should be told what jose used sakia for? if jose wants to go to court or makes anymore films about john
the courts can ask saskia what money she used to pay the Thai chick in her torture chamber that jose went to on Thursday, June 7,
[email protected]
From: josesskyfish
Subject: One by One l will get you!
To: santamonicajohn
Walson,
BUSTED your dead mate! LOL! More coming your way pal. This is only the beginning!
JE
below from jose
joseescamilla (40 minutes ago) +1 Reply | Spam
Hey Lenard, yahwehlite is correct! I just made
$10 million dollars CASH off Interstellar...
wanna collect what you say I stole from you?
Take my ass to court. Let's DO IT! You want your
share? Take me to court...SUE ME jag-off! Let's go
to court!
JE
what has jose the scam
man spent my money on
from my footage he took
off me like a thief?
From :
Jose Escamilla josesskyfish
Sent :
Thursday, June 7, 11:09 AM
cc.Saskia
To :
john walson Subject :
John,
Talk soon. I have a meeting with a boxing friend of
mine for lunch and at 2:00 your 'auntie Saskia' is
taking me in for a well rounded massage from this
little Thai chick in her torture chamber, so I will
be out of the loop a couple hours this afternoon.
I will then return and hopefully the email will get
here by then.
Jose
if you go to court jose
i will be able to get that
Thai chick into court to
prove you spent my
money on her, and i will
be aloud to see all
your history of your
company, its the law
my right all your deals over
all those years.
the thief jose Escamilla
is from
4304 ELENDA STREET
CULVER CITY
CA 90230
USA
AND HIS PARTNER IN CRIME THAT IS ON ABOVE TOP SECRET
HIS CHAT ROOM NAME IS freespirit
but he is Santiago Yturria Garza
306, colonia dell valle
garza garcia , NL
66230
MEXICO
hi important now mr jose escamilar is threats over the net to me
below from jose
joseescamilla (40 minutes ago) +1 Reply | Spam
Hey Lenard, yahwehlite is correct! I just made $10 million dollars CASH off Interstellar...wanna collect what you say I stole from you? Take my ass to court. Let's DO IT! You want your share? Take me to court...SUE ME jag-off! Let's go to court!
jose took my films and i try to stop him but he got mad and said he will kill me please stop him
From: [email protected]
Subject: One by One l will get you!
To: [email protected]
Walson,
BUSTED your dead mate! LOL! More coming your way pal. This is only the beginning!
JE
please read all this very carefully to the end, first i can prove all this live and will to the right person that will not scam me again.
you sound kind if you really want to know the truth try to read all this.
i just want peace but there is a producer at this time in the side lines that is told to make me look a hoax
he believes santiago Yturria Garza, just one thing how can any person trust and believe santiago Yturria a man that tells the world there are "Flying Humanoids" which are ballons
i also find strange how can the ones in control of the world news tell a hollywood producer trust santiago Yturria Garza that tells the world there are "Flying Humanoids" that are only balloons.
there are many more lies these people will tell you about me, its all about money and santiago is upset he lost his deal with the hollywood producer.
below is santiago telling the world there are "Flying Humanoids"
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=C9V8_7BZL_Q
hi important now mr jose Escamilla attacks me
i think the husband of Saskia Kraft van Erme should be told what jose used sakia for? if jose wants to go to court or makes anymore films about john
the courts can ask saskia what money she used to pay the Thai chick in her torture chamber that jose went to on Thursday, June 7,
[email protected]
From: josesskyfish
Subject: One by One l will get you!
To: santamonicajohn
Walson,
BUSTED your dead mate! LOL! More coming your way pal. This is only the beginning!
JE
below from jose
joseescamilla (40 minutes ago) +1 Reply | Spam
Hey Lenard, yahwehlite is correct! I just made
$10 million dollars CASH off Interstellar...
wanna collect what you say I stole from you?
Take my ass to court. Let's DO IT! You want your
share? Take me to court...SUE ME jag-off! Let's go
to court!
JE
what has jose the scam
man spent my money on
from my footage he took
off me like a thief?
From :
Jose Escamilla josesskyfish
Sent :
Thursday, June 7, 11:09 AM
cc.Saskia
To :
john walson Subject :
John,
Talk soon. I have a meeting with a boxing friend of
mine for lunch and at 2:00 your 'auntie Saskia' is
taking me in for a well rounded massage from this
little Thai chick in her torture chamber, so I will
be out of the loop a couple hours this afternoon.
I will then return and hopefully the email will get
here by then.
Jose
if you go to court jose
i will be able to get that
Thai chick into court to
prove you spent my
money on her, and i will
be aloud to see all
your history of your
company, its the law
my right all your deals over
all those years.
the thief jose Escamilla
is from
4304 ELENDA STREET
CULVER CITY
CA 90230
USA
AND HIS PARTNER IN CRIME THAT IS ON ABOVE TOP SECRET
HIS CHAT ROOM NAME IS freespirit
but he is Santiago Yturria Garza
306, colonia dell valle
garza garcia , NL
66230
MEXICO
hi important now mr jose escamilar is threats over the net to me
below from jose
joseescamilla (40 minutes ago) +1 Reply | Spam
Hey Lenard, yahwehlite is correct! I just made $10 million dollars CASH off Interstellar...wanna collect what you say I stole from you? Take my ass to court. Let's DO IT! You want your share? Take me to court...SUE ME jag-off! Let's go to court!
jose took my films and i try to stop him but he got mad and said he will kill me please stop him
From: [email protected]
Subject: One by One l will get you!
To: [email protected]
Walson,
BUSTED your dead mate! LOL! More coming your way pal. This is only the beginning!
JE
please read all this very carefully to the end, first i can prove all this live and will to the right person that will not scam me again.
you sound kind if you really want to know the truth try to read all this.
i just want peace but there is a producer at this time in the side lines that is told to make me look a hoax
he believes santiago Yturria Garza, just one thing how can any person trust and believe santiago Yturria a man that tells the world there are "Flying Humanoids" which are ballons
i also find strange how can the ones in control of the world news tell a hollywood producer trust santiago Yturria Garza that tells the world there are "Flying Humanoids" that are only balloons.
there are many more lies these people will tell you about me, its all about money and santiago is upset he lost his deal with the hollywood producer.
below is santiago telling the world there are "Flying Humanoids"
http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=C9V8_7BZL_Q
John Lenard Walson was told by MIT he is seeing some of their Star Wars
satellites.
He posted the letter.
So MIT recognized what was in the JLW videos.
So whats the problem.
JLW thinks they are space ships anyway.
I say Tesla beams but he will hear none of it.
Which would be Star Wars stuff.
That would be the problem, Star Wars stuff in orbit.
I also said space ships though.
satellites.
He posted the letter.
So MIT recognized what was in the JLW videos.
So whats the problem.
JLW thinks they are space ships anyway.
I say Tesla beams but he will hear none of it.
Which would be Star Wars stuff.
That would be the problem, Star Wars stuff in orbit.
I also said space ships though.
Walson is a known fraud, fake, and a liar, and people should please stop posting his crap over and over again. He and many of his people have already
been banned from here over and over again.
Can you provide links to articles, police reports, etc...
Originally posted by rocksarerocks
Walson is a known fraud, fake, and a liar, and people should please stop posting his crap over and over again. He and many of his people have already been banned from here over and over again.
Walson IS a complete FRAUD, and so is HIS WIFE. This is very well known, try and post something to GRIDKEEPERS videos, thats the same guy. He even
pretends to be MICHIO KAUKU. Sick little man for sure.
reply to post by All Seeing Eye
Do a search. I am not obligated to provide you with anything. There are already many many threads about this idiot and his money making schemes on this forum.
Do a search. I am not obligated to provide you with anything. There are already many many threads about this idiot and his money making schemes on this forum.
reply to post by All Seeing Eye
ENTER YOUR PASS WORD SEE BELOW ATS WHY PICK THIS PASS WORD TO POST A MESSAGE ON YOUR WEB PAGE ats? illuminati.
ABOVE TOP SECRET.COM'S IP address will be recorded with your reply
FOR YOU LETTING THE SMEAR AGAINST JOHNS NAME FROM Santiago Yturria Garza,
THE MOON IS NOT FAKE FOOTAGE JOHN FILMS ON THIS LINK
uk.youtube.com...
just remember it was gerry gilmore that say go public not me.
so when people attack me they are also attacking him too.
From:
Gerry Gilmore gilastcamacuk
Sent:
Sun 12: PM
To:
john lenard santamonicajohn
Hi John,
my work address is perfectly safe, thanks.
I wouldn't worry too much about Nasa restricting you or your information.
They are a civilian agency, and astronomers work with them all the time.
Many of my colleagues are indeed nasa staff.
There is of course nothing like posting stuff on the internet if you do
feel restricted.
Gerry
Gerry Gilmore FInstP ScD
Professor of Experimental Philosophy
Institute of Astronomy
From:
Gerry Gilmore gilastcamacuk
Sent:
Sat 2/10/07 2:37 AM
To:
john lenard santamonicajohn
Hi John,
thank you for the moon images: once again they show that you are an
excellent photographer.
There are of course many satellites in orbit, only a few of which are
anything to do with JPL, but these are readily seen by
astro-photographers like yourself all over the world.
You should just enjoy the excellence of your images, and make them
available as widely as is possible, through the public web-sites,
magazines, etc, so you can get the credit you deserve for your skills.
best regards
Gerry
text©2008 by John Lenard Walson. All Rights Reserved.
Sent:Gerry Gilmore gilastcamacuk
Thu 1/18/07 3:37 AM
To:
john lenard ([email protected])
Hello again,
and again my congratulations on your superb astrophotography
You are clearly getting some images at almost the diffraction limit of
your telescope. In the very sharpest images there are hints of diffraction
rings visible on the edges of the satellites. That is of course the
absolute limit of optical performance, and is only rarely attained.
You might also be interested in a journal produced by the
MIT Lincoln Laboratory - which is the group which has built some of the
things you are seeing. Much of what they do is what used to be the
Star wars project, which no doubt involves some of your objects. They
don't talk about the military satellites,
of course, but there are many dicussions of earth surveillance, and
related issues. It is distributed only to academic organisations, so
you may need to get your local library to borrow it, but you
may be able to get this (for free) from
Subscription Coordinator
Room L-054
Lincoln Laboratory
MIT
244 Wood Street
Lexington
MA 0240-9185
USA
best regards
Gerry
Professor of Experimental Astronomy
ENTER YOUR PASS WORD SEE BELOW ATS WHY PICK THIS PASS WORD TO POST A MESSAGE ON YOUR WEB PAGE ats? illuminati.
ABOVE TOP SECRET.COM'S IP address will be recorded with your reply
FOR YOU LETTING THE SMEAR AGAINST JOHNS NAME FROM Santiago Yturria Garza,
THE MOON IS NOT FAKE FOOTAGE JOHN FILMS ON THIS LINK
uk.youtube.com...
just remember it was gerry gilmore that say go public not me.
so when people attack me they are also attacking him too.
From:
Gerry Gilmore gilastcamacuk
Sent:
Sun 12: PM
To:
john lenard santamonicajohn
Hi John,
my work address is perfectly safe, thanks.
I wouldn't worry too much about Nasa restricting you or your information.
They are a civilian agency, and astronomers work with them all the time.
Many of my colleagues are indeed nasa staff.
There is of course nothing like posting stuff on the internet if you do
feel restricted.
Gerry
Gerry Gilmore FInstP ScD
Professor of Experimental Philosophy
Institute of Astronomy
From:
Gerry Gilmore gilastcamacuk
Sent:
Sat 2/10/07 2:37 AM
To:
john lenard santamonicajohn
Hi John,
thank you for the moon images: once again they show that you are an
excellent photographer.
There are of course many satellites in orbit, only a few of which are
anything to do with JPL, but these are readily seen by
astro-photographers like yourself all over the world.
You should just enjoy the excellence of your images, and make them
available as widely as is possible, through the public web-sites,
magazines, etc, so you can get the credit you deserve for your skills.
best regards
Gerry
text©2008 by John Lenard Walson. All Rights Reserved.
Sent:Gerry Gilmore gilastcamacuk
Thu 1/18/07 3:37 AM
To:
john lenard ([email protected])
Hello again,
and again my congratulations on your superb astrophotography
You are clearly getting some images at almost the diffraction limit of
your telescope. In the very sharpest images there are hints of diffraction
rings visible on the edges of the satellites. That is of course the
absolute limit of optical performance, and is only rarely attained.
You might also be interested in a journal produced by the
MIT Lincoln Laboratory - which is the group which has built some of the
things you are seeing. Much of what they do is what used to be the
Star wars project, which no doubt involves some of your objects. They
don't talk about the military satellites,
of course, but there are many dicussions of earth surveillance, and
related issues. It is distributed only to academic organisations, so
you may need to get your local library to borrow it, but you
may be able to get this (for free) from
Subscription Coordinator
Room L-054
Lincoln Laboratory
MIT
244 Wood Street
Lexington
MA 0240-9185
USA
best regards
Gerry
Professor of Experimental Astronomy
reply to post by MetisElara
Nice collection of strange things in orbit.
They are in videos that can not show what the satellite looks like.
Like NASA can.
But NASA shows us art work any way.
It must have been a let down for all those 60s artists on the
Moon project when the hype stopped and they had to endure
the 70s.
Here we are in the 2000s and whats NASA gonna do now.
Let more artists go.
Nice collection of strange things in orbit.
They are in videos that can not show what the satellite looks like.
Like NASA can.
But NASA shows us art work any way.
It must have been a let down for all those 60s artists on the
Moon project when the hype stopped and they had to endure
the 70s.
Here we are in the 2000s and whats NASA gonna do now.
Let more artists go.
Thanks for posting these, I had totally forgot about it.
Wasn't it Fox Mulder who once said, "I want to believe"? I'm there now. I want to believe, but after all the hoaxes on the forum, after all the money making schemes etc, I've grown very weary and very skeptical about a lot of things, on this forum and other places.
Now, back on topic. I wish Jose would just bite the bullet and release the plans for his device. Something like this should be shared, with everyone, without monetary gain.
We need to move forward Mr. Jose, help us along and release to the public what you really know!
Peace,
FK
Wasn't it Fox Mulder who once said, "I want to believe"? I'm there now. I want to believe, but after all the hoaxes on the forum, after all the money making schemes etc, I've grown very weary and very skeptical about a lot of things, on this forum and other places.
Now, back on topic. I wish Jose would just bite the bullet and release the plans for his device. Something like this should be shared, with everyone, without monetary gain.
We need to move forward Mr. Jose, help us along and release to the public what you really know!
Peace,
FK
reply to post by Frontkjemper
There is no device. There used to be some videos on youtube called S.L.O.W. where someone else with a similar telescope recreated the videos perfectly by using some mirrors and illuminated tinfoil twisted into various shapes. Jose also apparently released some stills that he claims came from JLW - they're complete fakes made by shaking the camera during a long exposure to turn pinpoint stars into funny looking shapes. I was able to recreate the latter myself.
[edit on 22-1-2009 by ngchunter]
There is no device. There used to be some videos on youtube called S.L.O.W. where someone else with a similar telescope recreated the videos perfectly by using some mirrors and illuminated tinfoil twisted into various shapes. Jose also apparently released some stills that he claims came from JLW - they're complete fakes made by shaking the camera during a long exposure to turn pinpoint stars into funny looking shapes. I was able to recreate the latter myself.
[edit on 22-1-2009 by ngchunter]
reply to post by ngchunter
Thanks ngchunter, that explains a lot.
From previous posts:
"... release the plans for his device. .."
"There is no device"
.. Yikes.
No wonder JLW was p o 'd.
Well time to move on to new adventures.
On to the next video and photo hoax.
I see the conspiracy world is grabbing on to straws on youtube
trying to make old conspiracies out daily news events.
JLW's discovery was showing photos and videos on youtube.
I had a mild telescope and photo aspiration years ago but
now a days the video is in. And I guess JLW did it.
Thanks ngchunter, that explains a lot.
From previous posts:
"... release the plans for his device. .."
"There is no device"
.. Yikes.
No wonder JLW was p o 'd.
Well time to move on to new adventures.
On to the next video and photo hoax.
I see the conspiracy world is grabbing on to straws on youtube
trying to make old conspiracies out daily news events.
JLW's discovery was showing photos and videos on youtube.
I had a mild telescope and photo aspiration years ago but
now a days the video is in. And I guess JLW did it.
reply to post by TeslaandLyne
The first warning flag went up when he posted images and videos that he claims show the international space station, when I know for a fact his stuff looks nothing like the real ISS as seen through a telescope. People on youtube have collective ooohs and ahhhhs to those videos not knowing any better. I have less enthusiastic responses to my own videos which really do show ISS (including one that, ironically enough, accused me of faking my footage). To be fair, many people do enjoy seeing the real thing, but truth isn't always as exciting as fiction.
[edit on 22-1-2009 by ngchunter]
The first warning flag went up when he posted images and videos that he claims show the international space station, when I know for a fact his stuff looks nothing like the real ISS as seen through a telescope. People on youtube have collective ooohs and ahhhhs to those videos not knowing any better. I have less enthusiastic responses to my own videos which really do show ISS (including one that, ironically enough, accused me of faking my footage). To be fair, many people do enjoy seeing the real thing, but truth isn't always as exciting as fiction.
[edit on 22-1-2009 by ngchunter]
Originally posted by ngchunter
There is no device.
That's correct. There is no optical device made by Mr Walson or anyone else that can do what he claims. It's all flim-flam.
There used to be some videos on youtube called S.L.O.W. where someone else with a similar telescope recreated the videos perfectly by using some mirrors and illuminated tinfoil twisted into various shapes.
That was me.
I pulled them from YouTube because I'd used some commercial backing music. I got too wary of the copyright implications so took them down.
As a matter of interest, the 'S.L.O.W.' name I used was to contrast the 'F.A.S.T.' label used by Gridkeeper, who fronts Mr Walson's videos. The letters actually stand for 'Shedding Light On Walson', but I didn't state that in the vids.
I'm not inclined to get into further discussions on these vids or my explanation of them. Suffice it to say if you know anything about telescopes and how they work, the hoax clues are obvious in all the FAST 'space machine' videos. It's all been documented on the earlier thread/threads and can be found with an appropriate search.
I may try to upload my SLOW videos somewhere less public than YouTube so members here can watch them and judge for themselves. If I do that, I'll update this thread.
Jose also apparently released some stills that he claims came from JLW - they're complete fakes made by shaking the camera during a long exposure to turn pinpoint stars into funny looking shapes. I was able to recreate the latter myself.
Yes, bright stars and shaky optics are favourite methods for creating 'extratarrestrial lights'. I also produced a video explaining how the 'Stephenville Lights' were created using a video camera set to slow shutter speed. Again that's available for comparrison by going HERE
Remember, in that video you see Sirius at around 300x magnification, so the focussed light spot is pretty big, but you can see the effect of scintillation on the images. I had to thump my weighty Meade scope to make it vibrate in an attempt to duplicate the handheld effect. A cameraman's heartbeat also affects it.
Mr Escamilla and Mr Walson parted on bad terms after a public wrangle over money. Both parties vented their spleens on ATS and were eventually given a suspension/ban I understand.
The first warning flag went up when he posted images and videos that he claims show the international space station, when I know for a fact his stuff looks nothing like the real ISS as seen through a telescope. People on youtube have collective ooohs and ahhhhs to those videos not knowing any better. I have less enthusiastic responses to my own videos which really do show ISS (including one that, ironically enough, accused me of faking my footage). To be fair, many people do enjoy seeing the real thing, but truth isn't always as exciting as fiction.
All true. Mr Walson's 'ISS' was nothing like. All his 'space platforms' and 'black ops' are tinfoil and rubber bands. He tried to gain credibility by conning a well known astronomer (Dr John Mason) that his videos showed the ISS. Dr Mason later published a rebuttal on YouTube. The tricks are endless, but griddy does a marvelous editing job I'll give him that.
It's true also that most 'believers' much prefer to let their imaginations run riot than accept the mundane reality of stuff like this. Thankfully, there are a few scientists on ATS who are prepared to get their hands dirty and test the output of people like Mr Walson. There are enough strange things going on out there without the CGI cons and people trying to make money by hoaxing.
WG3
[edit on 22-1-2009 by waveguide3]
Originally posted by waveguide3
That was me.
I pulled them from YouTube because I'd used some commercial backing music. I got too wary of the copyright implications so took them down.
As a matter of interest, the 'S.L.O.W.' name I used was to contrast the 'F.A.S.T.' label used by Gridkeeper, who fronts Mr Walson's videos. The letters actually stand for 'Shedding Light On Walson', but I didn't state that in the vids.
Good to see you again wave, thanks for those videos, I love your acronym. You did the ATS community a huge service by exposing him. I'd love to see those vids again one day if you can ever repost them, perhaps with free or nonexistent music lol. I know that's a lot of work just to redo what you already accomplished though. The one thing I couldn't figure is how he was getting his fake models to reach focus, your mirrors solution was the missing link in my head. Needless to say, I've never tried to fake things in my scope before. His "donut ships" of defocused stars were obvious enough though, anyone who's ever used a reflector with a central obstruction would spot that in an instant. It's amazing how many people believed him considering that. Astronomy just isn't as popular as it was during the space race I guess.
There are enough strange things going on out there without the CGI cons and people trying to make money by hoaxing.
Agreed. Due to a family encounter, I originally came here much more inclined to believe alien encounter stories than I do now. The prevalence of hoaxes has increased my general distrust and made me much more skeptical, which is probably a good thing.
[edit on 23-1-2009 by ngchunter]
Originally posted by ngchunter
Good to see you again wave, thanks for those videos, I love your acronym. You did the ATS community a huge service by exposing him.
Thanks. However, I think ATS had effectively exposed the hoax and banned Gridkeeper before I even uploaded my own versions. I guess I put the cap on it so to speak, but I'm sure people will keep resurrecting Mr Walson as a brilliant scientist/astronomer. It's not possible to quell the desire for mysteries especially when you have little understanding of the science behind it.
I'd love to see those vids again one day if you can ever repost them, perhaps with free or nonexistent music lol. I know that's a lot of work just to redo what you already accomplished though.
I'll try to get them up again. I seem to have lost the final version of the first one, but I have a shorter version. There are three SLOW videos.
The one thing I couldn't figure is how he was getting his fake models to reach focus, your mirrors solution was the missing link in my head.
It could be done with enough work space. You really need a hundred meters or more to do a neat job with a 10" Meade. Mr Walson's is only an 8" - in spite of claims to have upgraded to a 12", which is patently rubbish. The mirror did two things actually. It gave the added distance, but equally important provides the multiple image all the FAST 'space ships' have. All those videos show a focal range effect consistant with images located one behind the other. The thickness of the reflection mirror/window glass controls that.
Agreed. Due to a family encounter, I originally came here much more inclined to believe alien encounter stories than I do now. The prevalence of hoaxes has increased my general distrust and made me much more skeptical, which is probably a good thing.
Yes, I'm a sceptic searching for the truth. I'll not be convinced about anything ET till I get a proper capture through something like the Meade. Anything less than that are just spots and lens abberation in my view.
WG3
Originally posted by waveguide3
You really need a hundred meters or more to do a neat job with a 10" Meade. Mr Walson's is only an 8" - in spite of claims to have upgraded to a 12", which is patently rubbish.
I have an 8" Meade as well, but until very recently I've never had the kind of workspace needed to do that without mirrors. Living in condos and apartments will do that to you - also makes astronomy into a parking lot activity. As you can imagine, that made my astrophotography attempts pretty "interesting."
[edit on 23-1-2009 by ngchunter]
Glad to see both ngc and wave with logical answers due to the fact that they both are familiar with telescopes and imaging. When I first ran across
the "F.A.S.T." images on Rense's site (which I avoid now) I knew immediately they were bogus. Not because I'm an expert with my scopes and
cameras....but because I actually have a little experience doing some real imaging. If a person isn't familiar with using telescopes and CCD's then
how can they begin to have the first hint of what's normally seen?
For goodness sakes....just point any mediocre scope at a star and rack the focuser in and out and you'll get the same basic results (IMHO).
Just my 2 cents...basically Walson's "work" was offensive to me as astronomy and my attempts to image is an enjoyable past time. His "work" is kind of insulting to anyone with a little common sense.
Tonight I'll go out and defocus a street light a mile or so down the road and post the results if it's not too cold
For goodness sakes....just point any mediocre scope at a star and rack the focuser in and out and you'll get the same basic results (IMHO).
Just my 2 cents...basically Walson's "work" was offensive to me as astronomy and my attempts to image is an enjoyable past time. His "work" is kind of insulting to anyone with a little common sense.
Tonight I'll go out and defocus a street light a mile or so down the road and post the results if it's not too cold
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