Allah is NOT Some Pagan Moon God

Originally posted by semperfortis
The proof has been established...

Archaeology Expert

Just a simple matter of reading the factual evidence. Anything else is pure speculation and subject to the speculators personal biases..

Actually, I had a look at the original sources, the tablet of Ur-Nammu. As you can see in the Wikipedia jpg, the ORIGINAL (1915) translation said it was "some sort of moon god."
en.wikipedia.org...:Khashkhamer_seal_moon_worship.jpg

...but scroll on down. It's now known that this isn't the worship of a moon god

The scene depicts Hashhamer being led by a lamma, before the seated king, and another lamma follows. The king is probably bestowing the governorship on Hashhamer. The accompanying inscription translates:

"Ur-Nammu, the mighty hero, king of Ur; Ḫašḫamer, patesi (high priest) of Iškun-Sin, his servant."

And the moon god isn't named "allah"... his name is Sin:
www.ancientworlds.net...

en.wikipedia.org...(Sumerian_deity)

reply to post by Sun Matrix


It is not Allah that is trying to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth, its some Arabs, and not even all of them. They just cloak it in religion, just like right wing Jews cloak their illegal settlements in religious terms.

No difference.

Originally posted by grover
reply to post by Sun Matrix

 

It is not Allah that is trying to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth, its some Arabs, and not even all of them. They just cloak it in religion, just like right wing Jews cloak their illegal settlements in religious terms.

No difference.

Illegal settlements? What are you referring to? I am unaware of any illegal settlements.

BULL HOOEY... Even the Israeli government acknowledges that there are illegal settlements.

Just today, I was thinking to myself that there might be just two entities out there in contention; Ba'al (or The Lord of the Flies, Molech, Chemosh, Ashteroth, Lucifer, Satan, whatever) the imposter, and the One True God, Creator of the Universe.

Ba'al, in all its manifestations, is characterized by projected thought from the individual I (id or ego) in an attempt to selfishly control or manifest outcomes. Ever wonder what "Lord of the Flies" means? Spend a little time trying to use your thoughts to tell a fly what to do and you might figure it out.

The One True God, the Creator of the Universe, is characterized by an inexplicable, supernatural power that transcends thought itself (for who has known the mind of God, and who is His counselor?). The Great I AM. Compared to the Great I AM, Ba'al is a cheap parlor trick.

Satan seeks to exalt himself above the throne of the One True God. The selfish I seeking to replace the Great I AM as the focus of our worship and adoration. Christ was sent, as part and parcel of the Great I AM, to show us, once and for all, the difference, and to offer us a choice.

He will have mercy, and not sacrifice.

The choice, in its simplest form, is either bondage to sin and death under the letter of the law, or eternal life in the spirit of the law. Throughout all religions and belief systems this choice is being made. In any given religion there are those who follow, whether they know it or not, Ba'al and its derivatives, and those who follow the Great I AM. Remember the parable of the wheat and the tares from Christ in the NT?

Romans 8 really summed all these thoughts up for me today.

Starting with Romans 7:19

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 8

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8

I highly recommend the reading of the rest of Romans 8 in this light. We have all been given the opportunity to be co-hiers with Christ to the Kingdom of Heaven.

Originally posted by grover
BULL HOOEY... Even the Israeli government acknowledges that there are illegal settlements.

Nothing illegal about them. I would be more concerned with what God says will happen to those that divide his land.............ROADMAP FOR PEACE.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Nothing illegal about them. I would be more concerned with what God says will happen to those that divide his land.............ROADMAP FOR PEACE.

except that they are built on other people's land...

now keep your fanatical religions away from politics, it prevents peace when you do.

honestly, "Israel" has no right to the lands it sits on right now, as they were forcefully taken from their original occupants...
and what's your sky fairy going to do to those that wish to make sure the Palestinian people aren't wiped out through genocide?
oh, wait, i forgot that your god ordered many genocides in the bible. my bad

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Originally posted by grover
BULL HOOEY... Even the Israeli government acknowledges that there are illegal settlements.

Nothing illegal about them. I would be more concerned with what God says will happen to those that divide his land.............ROADMAP FOR PEACE.

I am not going to argue with you, not because you are right, you aren't; That old promised land crap got old a long time ago and only fanatics and fools still buy into it, but because if I do your arrogance will provoke me into saying something that will get me another warning.

I will say this however... it doesn't matter what you think...like I said even the Israeli government considers them illegal.

This is way off subject anyway.

[edit on 3-9-2007 by grover]

I have to ask this of those who say that the world Allah does not represent the same entity as their word God.


Where does the word God come from?


Do you realize that this word comes from a pagan religion?

Does this mean that all Christians who use the word God are Pagans?

The emotional responses that have occurred in this thread, are not surprising, but they are also not fruitful in the examination of word origins...

The Archaeological evidence surrounding the word Allah, is irrefutable and exact...and have been shown in detail on previous posts...

The word God, can indeed be traced back to Pagan times, even farther perhaps..

god Look up god at Dictionary.com
O.E. god "supreme being, deity," from P.Gmc. *guthan (cf. Du. god, Ger. Gott, O.N. guð, Goth. guþ), from PIE *ghut- "that which is invoked" (cf. Skt. huta- "invoked," an epithet of Indra), from root *gheu(e)- "to call, invoke." But some trace it to PIE *ghu-to- "poured," from root *gheu- "to pour, pour a libation" (source of Gk. khein "to pour," khoane "funnel" and khymos "juice;" also in the phrase khute gaia "poured earth," referring to a burial mound). "Given the Greek facts, the Germanic form may have referred in the first instance to the spirit immanent in a burial mound" [Watkins]. Not related to good. Originally neut. in Gmc., the gender shifted to masc. after the coming of Christianity. O.E. god was probably closer in sense to L. numen. A better word to translate deus might have been P.Gmc. *ansuz, but this was only used of the highest deities in the Gmc. religion, and not of foreign gods, and it was never used of the Christian God. It survives in Eng. mainly in the personal names beginning in Os-.

"I want my lawyer, my tailor, my servants, even my wife to believe in God, because it means that I shall be cheated and robbed and cuckolded less often. ... If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." [Voltaire]

First record of Godawful "terrible" is from 1878; God speed as a parting is from c.1470. God-fearing is attested from 1835. God bless you after someone sneezes is credited to St. Gregory the Great, but the pagan Romans (Absit omen) and Greeks had similar customs.

Online Etymology Dictionary

Emotional and unscientific responses such as these...

just like right wing Jews cloak their illegal settlements in religious terms.

BULL HOOEY.

now keep your fanatical religions away from politics

That old promised land crap got old a long time ago and only fanatics and fools still buy into it

Add nothing to the intelligence of the conversation, in fact they show a marked lack of that intellect in any discussion...

Contemplating the origins of the word Allah, or God if you prefer, in no way detracts from any of your personal beliefs...

Think of it this way...

You may call the God that you believe in "Shooter Joe" if you so desire. The name that you invoke does not diminish your belief unless you choose to allow it too.

The historical basis behind words are traceable and of course, man-made.

With this knowledge, how does one define God?

Does it really matter what we call him?

Of course not, but to deny the origins of the word or the origin of our religion is to wallow in the same ignorance that causes the emotional outbursts listed above..

Semper

Originally posted by Malichai


Where does the word God come from?


Do you realize that this word comes from a pagan religion?

No, I think the problem is that you don't understand that the Word of God did not come from a pagan religion.

Please bring forth your evidence.......I will be happy to shoot it down with the truth, piece by piece.

Originally posted by grover
I will say this however... it doesn't matter what you think...like I said even the Israeli government considers them illegal.

I got news for you.....it doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Only what God says.

Joel 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

There's not a whole lot of time left. If you understood prophecy, you would know that.

reply to post by Sun Matrix


Wiki

wahiduddin.net...

www.bibleanswerstand.org...

The English word God does not come from the Christian Bible.

English speaking Christians use the word God and other Euros too, and Arabic speaking Christians use the word Allah.

Who are they worshiping? Is it the same entity or not?

[edit on 3-9-2007 by Malichai]

Originally posted by Malichai


The English word God does not come from the Christian Bible.

English speaking Christians use the word God and other Euros too, and Arabic speaking Christians use the word Allah.

I'm sorry, I misread your statement. I thought you were referring to the WORD OF GOD and not just the word God. As you can see in my answer from above.

Who are they worshiping? Is it the same entity or not?

No, the God of the Christian and Jew "I AM" is not the same as the Islamic moon god which has been proven by archaeology, and history. The God of the Christian and Jew is a personal God. The Christians believe that Jesus the Christ is the prophesied Messiah that the Jews would be blind to ( as prophesied)

God sent his son to pay the price for the sin of the world. In Islam you send your son to die for god. Nice twist by the deceiver.

But would you DIE for GOD?

I would.

If it meant something for the good of mankind, I sure would.

And perhaps that's all it boils down to, in the end.

Volunteers?

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Allah is Jesus.

Muslims, who know Islam would not agree with this. Islam does not view Jesus as God. You need to study up on Islam and find out what it truly says.

Allah is not the God of the Bible.

Thanks Malichai,


I always wanted confirmation that Arab christians called god, allah.



I think christains get very offended when muslim people say "god is allah". Christians take it as meaning muslims think there god is on par or better than thiers. All they are trying to convey is that its the same bloody entity.


Im not sure why islam is so demonised by christianity, at least they acknowledge jesus, unlike all the other religions out there.

Originally posted by KTK



I think christains get very offended when muslim people say "god is allah".

No, I think the problem comes from saying "Allah is God". Certainly, Allah is a god, the pagan moon god.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Originally posted by KTK



I think christains get very offended when muslim people say "god is allah".

No, I think the problem comes from saying "Allah is God". Certainly, Allah is a god, the pagan moon god.

no, allah is yahweh, the pagan mountain/sky god.....

honestly, there is only 1 monotheistic god not derived from a pagan god, aten, the ORIGINAL monotheistic god. the egyptians worshiped aten for a time under one of the pharaohs, and at around that same time some ancient polytheist nomads came through the area, we now call them hebrews... they ended up getting kicked out for some reason, adopted monotheism, and made up a story about how they were slaves... they turned their head god yahweh into a monotheistic god

reply to post by madnessinmysoul


Honestly, I think you have that backwards. Joseph of the technicolor dreamcoat, son of Jacob (also known as Israel), was sold into slavery to the Egyptians by his older brothers. I'm sure you know the story. He ended up taking over and starting the reign of the Hiskos, the Semitic Kings of Egypt. This took place starting with the Second Intermediate Period and lasted through the Sixteenth Dynasty (1785-1580 BCE). It may have been during this period that monotheism gained strength in Egypt.

"Now there arose up a new king, which knew not Joseph." (Exodus 1:8) The New Kingdom came along in 1580 BCE and ended the reign of the Semitic Kings, beginning with the Eighteenth Dynasty. Moses came along during The Nineteenth Dynasty. Whether the Israelites were forced to leave or forced the Egyptians to let them go may be open to question for you. That's fine, for you.