Will the Neo-Cons kill Ron Paul if these straw poll results continue?

Originally posted by darkheartrising
reply to post by yuefo

 

voted to allow gun manufacturers to be sued for injury or death caused by being shot by their weapon.

And taking money out of the greedy and murderous corporatists is bad because..?

Unless you didn't know, Ron Paul thinks this oligarchy we live under is bad. Taking money out of one of the largest interest groups (weapon manufacturers) is just one way to tear it down.

Look at Canada, canada has more natural resources than the US could dream of, but we are not going around threatening everyone to stay out, and we dont need to. at least not for now.

don't jinx it. if us americans get angry enough with our government, canada will start looking like a nice place to settle down. =)

Originally posted by darkheartrising
well, i wanted to like this guy but i checked out his voting record (which is how you can tell the difference from what they say they will do and what they actually do after they're elected)
and off the bat i noticed a few things that i didn't like.

1.he voted down the law to keep underage children from going across state lines and have an abortion WITHOUT notifying the parents...i dont know about you but if my under age daughter went to the brdering state to have anabortion and no one told me about it i would be pissed.

2. he is weak on national security, voted against the surveillance program that would allow us to spy on OVERSEAS conversations with suspected terrorists.

3.he voted against the flag desecration act...i think we are the only nation that allows idiots to piss on and burn our flag. say what you will but to some of us the flag still means something and it is not just a piiece of cloth with colored stripes.

4.he is totally weak on gun ownership and will probably be the first one in line to turn in his weapons to the foreign troops.

too many more to list, here is the link, look them up your selves if you think im making this up:

www.vote-smart.org...

as for me...i will not vote for him. sorry fellas, i rreally did want to like this new, unknown hopeful

I don't get this Ron Paul obsession either. Great, a republican who is against the war is up for their nomination. Really, i'm glad that Ron Paul recognizes this war for the disaster it is.

However, it is disturbing to see people line up behind him like he is some kind of savior when his positions on a number of issues aside from the iraq war are completly goofy.

for starters, he doesn't believe in the separation of church and state, which he has called a myth.

I just wish that folks would take a moment for themselves and research this (and all) candidates positions on the issues rather than becoming enamored with the gusto it is being delivered... or maybe it is just the shock value of a republican not walking lock step -- i dunno.,

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Originally posted by Kacen
And all this talk about Ron Paul being so awesome really grinds my gears hes very similar to Republicans.

Hes pro-life and also anti-gay marriage and even against civil unions. Hes not very progressive.

You're missing the point. Paul is a Constitutionalist, and that means that he wants to limit federal power and try to stick to the Constitution as closely as possible.

I don't agree with his socially consevative points of view, but Paul feels that social issues are a states business that the federal government should have no say in. He also believes that states should not be able to inflict their laws upon other states. Here's an example

www.lewrockwell.com...

This is actually the only compromise that can ever work for sensitive issues like gay marriage and abortion.
If the feds ban abortion and gay marriage then you piss off the hippie states, and if they completely legalise them then you piss off the redneck states. If the states have control then everybody is happy. Rednecks will stay outta my states, and I will stay outta theirs (vacations being the exception). If I need an abortion or a gay marriage while on vacation, I can just go to another state. And that's where it could get a little sticky...

here's why

If states cannot infringe upon other states, then there is nothing stopping a redneck from jumping to a hippie state to get an abortion or a gay marriage.

In the case of the abortion, what's done is done. In the case of the gay marriage, it's not recognized in the redneck state. And both sides are probably a little irked by this, but that's what compromise is about.

Originally posted by darkheartrising
are you putting words in ron paul's mouth or has he actually came out and said he opposess the bilderberg gang?..because i would vote for him in a heartbeat if he goes on record against the illuminatti

Here's an example of RP being opposed to globalization, WTO, UN, etc.
I've never heard him specifically mention the Bilderbergers, but it's close.
www.ronpaul2008.com...

This article also mentions Ron Paul's disgust at the possibility of Americans having to get a prescription to to take supplements. Going against Big Pharma is always a plus in my book. Also, I owe my physical health and mental well being to natural nutritional supplements. If they can require a prescription for herbs then I'm sure they can require a prescription for a gym membership, where would it... sorry, that's a topic for another thread.

Originally posted by tom goose
Look at Canada, canada has more natural resources than the US could dream of, but we are not going around threatening everyone to stay out, and we dont need to. at least not for now.

When the time comes we'll just punk Canada into being our 51st

I would suggest for all the people that don't know anything about Ron Paul, and decide to come on here and make comments or post views about him actually do a little research on him first.

EVERYONE I have ever met that didnt like him at first, then actually took the time to read some of his speaches and watch some of his interviews changed their minds about him and are now strong supporters of him.

I would suggest typing Ron Paul in the search line at these two sites and watch some interviews:

www.tubearroo.com

www.youtube.com

Or read his book: A Foreign Policy of Freedom: Peace, Commerce, and Honest Friendship by Ron Paul

You can get it here: amazon.com...

Or check out some of these crazy interviews I posted here at ATS with Ron Paul here:

www.abovepolitics.com...'


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Originally posted by DrPaulisENKI
Maybe the electronic voting machines are thier ace in the hole and they are still confident they can get Rudy, Mitt, or Hilary in without a problem, but you would think they are starting to get really annoyed by Ron. The media have done everything they can to drown him out but it does'nt seem to matter because The Revolution has begun and it's powered by the people. This is getting really interesting.

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Ron Paul may be doing well on a few internet polls, but he has not done well in any of the credible polls. He has no chance.

reply to post by ModernDystopia


taking money out of greedy corporations is proper by your book?..you must be a socialist. where i come from if you earned it it is yours...
how about you go make a couple million and keep a measley portion of it give the rest to the poor? sure sure you would do it in a heartbeat psst...(thats because you know you'll never make a couple million)..thats why you hate the rich.. gimme gimme gimme

Originally posted by darkheartrising

taking money out of greedy corporations is proper by your book?..you must be a socialist. where i come from if you earned it it is yours...
how about you go make a couple million and keep a measley portion of it give the rest to the poor? sure sure you would do it in a heartbeat psst...(thats because you know you'll never make a couple million)..thats why you hate the rich.. gimme gimme gimme

Nothing wrong at all with getting/being rich. However, when you become rich off of the suffering of others....then yea....take it ALL.

I personally HATE frivolous law suits such as CERTAIN ones against the gun manufacturers and ALL of them against tobacco companies. Just so you know.

By the way, yes big tobacco makes it's much off the suffering of others. But we know what we are in for and my cigarette never killed the innocent kid in the house closest to where I light up.

Jasn

I personally don't think Mr. Paul is going to be tough enough when we need him to be. Romney on the other hand is very electable and I loved they way he defended himself being Mormon and running for president in the one debate.

reply to post by Sky watcher


here, here,...another way to look at romney is that he would be the one to push for disclosure because of his religion.
Mormons are bound by certain covenants they made with God and one of them is to 'always be honest in dealings with your fellow man"
therefore if we can assume he is a practicing mormon and true to his faith , well then disclosure is the only way for him not to break his vow.

yes, ron paul even though he a republican (was a liberal years before) i really like him. Its obviouse how the media tries to screw him over, the media is controlled by the noe cons, especially the fox network. Its funny on the last rep debate their was a pol on who was the best and ron slaughtered everyone, but who do you see on the front page every time? mitt romney.... rons a very brave man taking on all the big boys, like cia etc. and i love how he has the balls to call out lies of 911, it was obviuosly an inside job and any one who wants to realise that just has to go to the 911 section and gaze over all the facts and evidence. those who complain that ron isnt hard on security have fallen straight into the plan of 911, that was the point. thats why the mojority supported the war at first etc.

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[q]1.he voted down the law to keep underage children from going across state lines and have an abortion WITHOUT notifying the parents...i dont know about you but if my under age daughter went to the brdering state to have anabortion and no one told me about it i would be pissed.[/q]

well not to be mean but if your child did that it obviously has alot more to do with you than your governments policy, it means she would be scared of you.

just go on youtube and youl see how the media is controllled, theyr was this great documentary on it, i cant seem to find it anymore, where many of the past news anchors etc on fox describe how it was. a real eye opener.

anyway thats my opinion on this...

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Originally posted by darkheartrising
i do agree with you on the backwards flag WTF?

Its a disgrace, and now you see it flown backwards on cops and firemen as well. But like I said, it makes sense when you understand that America has become a nation of pre-emptive wars, torture, citizen surveilance programs and unwarrented search and seizures.
Then you have people, like yourself, that want to pass more laws pertaining to victimless crimes.
Without a victim there is no crime, but you try driving around without your seatbelt on and tell a cop its a freedom of choice thing when you get stopped, see how far that gets you. Most Americans, like yourself, dont even understand the concept of freedom anymore.

but i don't like this trend i'm seeing lately with all these ex armed forces-turned liberals out there attacking our military.

Are you talking to me?
Turned liberal?
Attacking our military?
Exactly what does 'turned liberal' mean, and how do you know these Vets werent 'liberal' to begin with? Are you speaking from personal knowledge or do you have some information I could read?
I personally think you are talking out your ass here, possibly reciting something you heard Mr. Weiner say, and I assure you Ms. that I am no 'liberal' by any stretch of the imagination.
And exactly what do you mean when you say "attacking our military"?
Who has done this, and where?

.hey the military wasn't for you, fine, go away and let them do their job. thank you

Hey the military WAS for me, but Im guessing it wasnt for you now was it?

Go away and let them do their job?
Thank you?
Whats with the snotty attitude? What do you mean "go away and let them do their job"? Are you saying vets arent suppose to have opinions or that vets arent suppose to voice their opinions?
I mean, golly gee, if a guy that was there, did the job and got a deeper understanding of whats really going on, if that guy cant speak his mind without being accused of 'attacking the military' or not 'letting them do their job', then what the hell is freedom about and how can you be claiming to want to 'free' other nations with our army when our soldiers arent free to express themselfs at home.
Doublethink at its finest.

Im gonna cease there because this is a 'are they gonna kill Ron Paul?' thread and not an 11Bravo rant thread, but in conclusion I would like to say that Im glad you are here Darkheart because you have alot to learn.
Keep your mind open and try to cast out your preconceived notions because they stand in the way of deeper understandings.

reply to post by 11Bravo


yes this is the wrong place for your rant i agree. and i do believe ron paul is in danger.
i do not agree with you fitting me into this little box that you feel i fit in, but if it makes you feel better to do that with people you dont agree with or understand then go ahead, it is your choice.
and liberal you may be and i respect and fight for your choice to be one.
it just seems to me that you are a very angry young man and i am also glad you are here at ATS so that you may begin to let go of those angry feelings and learn how to accept others beliefs that differ from yours..
Darkhearts rant is also over, im through with you...
good day sir

julie

reply to post by PriapismJoe


Hey Priapism are you just jumping in here without doing a little research? . The reason I fear for Ron Paul's safety is because it is starting to look like he may be by far the most popular candidate. BY FAR!!.... Whatever polls you are paying attention to is fine but i'm talking about a REVOLUTION that is powered by the American people who are sick and tired of not trusting our elected officials. Do you?...I mean c'mon man..enough is enough. Do you realize he is the most.....yes ...the most GOOGLED person in the world? ...and he just mopped up in a couple of straw polls ...i mean Brit Hume may not let you know that over dinner but that does'nt make it not true. i'm not picking a fight but your post just sounds like wishful thinking? ..... Google it!

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reply to post by darkheartrising


darkheart....Do you want more of the same? Another 8 years wish a Bush clone....or do you want real change? Is thier a better candidate to fight the Illuminati's control of America? It's not about the small issues imho ....its the big ones that matter. I want to legalize the Constitution ...Thats all... Nothing more..... I like it the way it's written right now.

The only candidate worth a Vote is Mike Gravel. He understands what this country was supposed to be founded on.

Ron Paul is a smart man. He knew he had no chance running as a libertarian so he jumped on the Republican train. Frankly I would have had more respect for him if he ran as a libertarian, but hey you have to sneak in however you can.

Originally posted by djpaec
The only candidate worth a Vote is Mike Gravel. He understands what this country was supposed to be founded on.

Founded on? ...Hmmm....Like the Constitution?

reply to post by DrPaulisENKI


I really don't think the label "neo-cons" is enough to encompass all of those who would want Ron Paul dead if he proves too powerful as a candidate.

Yes, I believe he is in danger, but sometimes it is better to be in the full view of people where it becomes more difficult for the enemies of life and liberty to get away with murder. But we do live in the age of murders in plain view where all of the truly guilty are never held to account ... so with sadness I remember JFK, Dr. MLK, RFK, 9/11, 7/7....

Yeah I definately think his life would be in danger if his unprecedented grassroots support continues to grow as fast as it has in the months since February when he announced his candidacy. All you have to do is look at what this amazing man stands for to see what a threat he is to the "shadow government".
He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

I really think Dr. No is the best hope we have in getting our country back on track. Our constitutional rights are being taken away from us. He is the only candidate who would restore those rights. Do we want to live in a Republic as our forefathers intended or do we continue towards the path of becoming an Empire?

The establishment has already tried to discredit this honorable man and it will not work. He is constantly minimized by the MSM...that is why there are so many people who still haven't heard about him. I shake my head when I hear people say "who is Ron Paul?" I mean come on...are you living in a cave?

They will try to take him out if he gets as far as winning the Primarys. But they will only make a martyr out of him and the real revolution will be on!