For what purpose is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad purposely provoking Israel and America?

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But in the long run the United States has no right telling anyone, Iran or not what to do in this world. Nor did we have the right to invade Iraq. Like I have said elsewhere if Canada were invaded by Russia or China and occupied, we would be involved in the insurgency there as well. After all they have a vested interest in what goes on in their neighbor.

As for Israel I couldn't give a rats ass about whether they are our allies or not, they have behaved no better than their opponents and both sides deserve each other.

Originally posted by grover
But in the long run the United States has no right telling anyone, Iran or not what to do in this world.

Grover may I ask if you are aware that the United Nations is an international organization comprised of many leaders and representatives from across the world...?

Those increased sanctions dealt to Iran over it's refusal to cease it's nuclear program came from the United Nations; America fully supports the U.N.'s decisions and actions.

And just like the other International members of the U.N., America doesn't buy Ahmadinejad's claims that it's nuclear program is for peaceful purposes.

It is the world that is telling Iran what to do, not America... And Iran isn't listening...

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Then it is up to the UN and not the US to enforce.

As for whether the US is right or wrong about Iran's nuclear program, what happens if we attack and or invade and we are wrong AGAIN as in Iraq's WMD? We have no business threatening or posturing at all unless we are absolutely sure of the facts and this administration has a bad track record with the facts.

Besides all that I would be far more concerned about Pakistan's actual nuclear weapons as opposed to Iran's possible nuclear weapons which are according to the INC, 5 to 10 years off if that.

Originally posted by grover
Then it is up to the UN and not the US to enforce.

I certainly agree with you on that.

Regarding being wrong about Iraq's WMD's, who cares? Do you care? I don't. A genocidal dictator was removed from power and a democracy was established there, I'd say those are good things.

And if it weren't for Iran conspiring with detrimental forces and funding, training and arming insurgents over there to help detroy the country's new government then maybe they'd be further along by now and our troops could have already withdrawn.

I can't help but notice that so many seem to think America should mind it's own business but no one believes Iran should... If Iran had kept it's nose out from where it doesn't belong, I really believe Iraq could be so much further along than it is.


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Originally posted by grover
I would be far more concerned about Pakistan's actual nuclear weapons as opposed to Iran's possible nuclear weapons which are according to the INC, 5 to 10 years off if that.

Why ... ... ?

Grover, Pakistan isn't calling Israel the "Flag of Satan" or vowing to wipe them off the planet, or conducting foolish displays of controversial hangings just to agitate America, or funding and training insurgents to kill American and coalition forces at every given opportunity. As well, just over a year ago the United States sold the better part of 400 million dollars worth of missles to Pakistan, do these things sound like reasons to be more concerned with Pakistan than Iran?

Pakistan's present nuclear capability is far beneath the threat level of Iran's pending nuclear capability in my opinion. International world leaders seem to agree.

Frankly,Seeing, you've showed NOTHING credible to suggest Iran currently or will have within 3 yrs, a serious nuclear capability of being able to threaten Israel...

On that note, I'll say nothing more, because if you use Iraq as an example in these things, American intelligence is nothing more than an oxymoron...

The only thing the US is worried about with regard to Iran is a disruption to its oil supplies...It isnt born of altruistic ideals with regard to changing a repressive regime like it claimed after the WMD thing in Iraq went away

Anyone who believes that is on the billys big time...

The US is an imperialistic power who needs to be stopped dead in its tracks, for the sake of the rest of the planet...If this doesnt happen, the rest of us (outside the US) risk being dragged into a nuclear conflict all over US business' dependence on the black sticky stuff....

Thank god in 6 mths we are going to have a change of govt in Australia who will tell the US thanks but no thanks when it continues its crusades thru the ME..

Personally, me, i dont mind paying $2 per litre of petrol if it means a more peaceful and stable world without the US imposing its imperialistic and domineering practices throughout the ME

Peace

Originally posted by Rilence
Frankly,Seeing, you've showed NOTHING credible to suggest Iran currently or will have within 3 yrs, a serious nuclear capability of being able to threaten Israel...

Haha well Rilence you're absolutely right, I've shown nothing credible to suggest that. Gee I wonder why, perhaps it's because I never tried to suggest that at all, period...

Thanks.

Sheer genius then...which means you're a simple points [snip], or ??

Me, I think you're trying to put a particular view across in order to influence people to consider or believe your view, for whatever reason...

Why, only you can answer that...But if the couple of posts you've made in this thread is the best you have, good luck and peace





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Originally posted by Rilence
good luck and peace

Thank you, good luck and peace to you as well Rilence. Have a great day and a better tomorrow .

Originally posted by seeingevil

Regarding being wrong about Iraq's WMD's, who cares? Do you care? I don't. A genocidal dictator was removed from power and a democracy was established there, I'd say those are good things.

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WHO CARES? What a crass and shallow statement. Try the families of the dead and wounded. We invaded a country that had not attacked us on false premises and you say who cares?

Democracy my ample ass... try a government so weak and feeble it can't even protect itself of better yet try a puppet government and you say who cares?

[snip]

This war and this arrogant know nothing administration has sullied our reputation abroad and played right into Al Qaeda's hands by invading Iraq and becoming its greatest recruitment ploy and you say who cares?

[snip]

And as for Pakistan in case you haven't noticed or even paid attention prior to 9/11 it was the major supporter of the Taliban and as such Al Qaeda.... many in its military and intelligence agencies are still strong supporters of them, Musharraf is weak and it is only a matter of time before he is overthrown or killed... of all the countries in the middle east it has the greatest potential for disaster. If Musharraf falls and the odds are good that he will, and an Islamic extremist sympathizer takes the helm, and odds are they will its real "Islamic nukes" (their phrase for them not mine) will be a far greater danger to the west and the world in general than any potential Iranian ones are now.

Who cares indeed?



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Originally posted by grover
profanity removed by staff.

So I deserve to be cursed simply because I disagree with you or see things differently than you?

Duly noted.

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No you were cursed because of the nature of your comment... people, soldiers, and civilians, guilty and innocent have been wounded, bled and died, a nation has been occupied and torn apart because of the lies this administration told to sell this war and you say who cares...

...who cares indeed.

Such an attitude is deeply offensive to me, indeed i would call it amoral....

...Who cares indeed.

War should always be the act of last resort and even then entered into reluctantly, not as a matter of first choice....

...Who cares indeed?

Since you obviously care so little grover, why are you still here babbling on about it? Is it just for the reason of repetitively insisting how little you care?

These are obviously issues which are too sensitive for you to discuss maturely without cursing and getting completely bent out of shape. Perhaps you should give it a rest.

OKAY.... now you are trying to provoke me. I am not going to rise to the bait. I have nothing further to say to you period.

Thank you grover, you have my deepest appreciation for that along with my sincere hope that your word is your bond.

May the greater wisdoms in life find you some day... farewell.

I will remind everyone again...


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I know that man is so terrible.

When are you going to enlist ?
What branch ?
What will be your M.O.S ?

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Some people say it crazy to think that way.

When did the truth become crazy ?

Originally posted by vox2442
The correct word is "react", not "provoke".

Humm, I think you nail the issue quite good, Vox, I agree that the statements done by all parties involved have a lot to do with the present state in the middle east including our own nation leader, going out of the way with the used of executive powers to tag nations of interest

Originally posted by grover
If you look at the political structure of Iran it should become immediately clear that the president is essentially powerless, the true source of political and military power resides with the grand ayatollah.

Another issue been explained very well, Thanks Grover . . . While Mr. Ahmadinejad rants in Iran he does so because that is all he can actually do to show that he has power, but that power only extend as long as the clerics allowed him to do so.

So while he gets a bash over and over by many, the real power gets unnoticed by people that had not clue what is really going internally in Iran and the agendas behind our political leaders in power and their plans in the middle east.

BTW I noticed that almost every post has a flag on it. I find amusing that this thread has earned so many.

Marg6043, I find it amusing that you're laughing at other people when you're the one looking silly. You assume every warning you see in a thread was actually earned in that thread... how's that for an intellect .

Only grover and Rilence received warnings here Marg.