a theory about John Lear

Originally posted by undo

Scientists get paid to do their job as well. So do teachers, theoreticians, linguists, analysts, detectives, and so on. .......... They make money to provide people with various services and information. This is not earth shattering news. It's also not unusual.

yes, true, and i would add to the list actors, writers, singers, entertainers....

because, in my opinion, those professions are more appropriate for this discussion.

look, i have no problem if someone wants to talk about all these, well, incredible things Lear talks about, but i have a problem if a site that considers itself serious supports him...

and to me, the only logical explanation is that he attracts more traffic to this site, and so he is free to say whatever he wants.

and do you see the double standard here? i know that the mods are intolerant towards people who claim things without sources or links... true, Lear provided a few photos, but mostly its just stories...

and im sorry, but to me thats all he is, a storyteller, which is ok, but then people shouldn't get the wrong idea.

i have a problem if a site that considers itself serious supports him

Why is that? do you think you're the sole inheritor of truth or what?
this is the kind of attitude that squashes all attempts to expand human
knowledge and understanding of our universe. it's a stagnant position.
it doesn't ask questions. it doesn't hypothesize, theorize or speculate, and
most specifically, it doesn't allow anyone else to either, all under the guise
that only one truth on each subject is possible, and therefore, anything else
is heresy.

why not strike up a new banner. perhaps try to join in the search for
further answers, whether they be accepted or not, this is true science.


[edit on 19-8-2007 by undo]

Originally posted by semperfortis
If you think that ATS is such a "JOKE" then may I ask why you are here posting at all?

I stand corrected, I didn't mean ATS is a joke in its entirety, just certain threads.
Why do I still come here? All serious threads aside, because I enjoy a good joke every now and then.

Originally posted by Mirrorshade

I stand corrected, I didn't mean ATS is a joke in its entirety, just certain threads.
Why do I still come here? All serious threads aside, because I enjoy a good joke every now and then.

Do you suffer often with this superiority complex?
Must be difficult being you. Frankly, there are some things
that are not meant as jokes, and some that are. Knowing
what is and isn't meant to be a joke by the original poster,
and treating each with the appropriate
response, is a social skill.

Undo, thanks for being so understanding, for indeed I suffer daily.

Tell me, is sarcasm considered to be a social skill?

Originally posted by Mirrorshade
Undo, thanks for being so understanding, for indeed I suffer daily.

Tell me, is sarcasm considered to be a social skill?

Are you suggesting I was being sarcastic?
Hardly.

What's the point of mentioning you find other people's serious theories and expereinces, comical at best?

You got the hots for yourself.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
So yes... there are opportunities for talented people to receive income from their participation on ATS. Would you expect any less of us?

With all due respect to you, I don't think that was the op's point.

I don't think anyone here is against making money, its the American way. However, I think the op was speaking more to the "Lear gets away w/ posting unsubstantiated info while other get banned for the same" topic.

I'm not stupid, I've helped run sites larger than this one. Sometimes it simply boils down to site prosperity, am I right? Having guys like Lear around helps generate site traffic. The more traffic, the better for the site, ad revenue wise, in the long run. And not just for any one particular forum on the site. People get drawn in by the Lear stuff, read it, create accounts, and then peruse the rest of the site, usually on a regular basis, like the rest of us.

Anyone can go look at ATS's page views for the last 3 years on alexa.com. So if I'm right and Lear gets away w/ a little more than others because the owners feel he is good for the site, than yes, I'd just as soon hear it honestly.


[edit on 19-8-2007 by Reality Hurts]

Edit: Undo, nevermind, think what you will

on topic, I agree with reality hurts

[edit on 19-8-2007 by Mirrorshade]

Originally posted by Reality Hurts

........So if I'm right and Lear gets away w/ a little more than others because the owners feel he is good for the site, than yes, I'd just as soon hear it honestly.

[edit on 19-8-2007 by Reality Hurts]

yes, that was my point too. and i think that is the case, but hey, nobody is honest anymore anyway, so that doesnt surprise me at all.

and isnt it interesting that John Lear didnt post anything here, since i noticed that he answers posts with his name in them in smaller threads. but never mind...

also, i received a few warnings to be careful what i say here, not from the mods, but from other people... which is also kind of unusual.

so if i get banned or something, which i hope wont happen, i at least hope to get a good reason for it.

otherwise its fascism.

Originally posted by nightsider2007

and isnt it interesting that John Lear didnt post anything here, since i noticed that he answers posts with his name in them in smaller threads. but never mind...

OK, OK. Here is the deal. I get a commission or whatever on when anybody clicks on something. I don't know exactly how it works.

In order to get my money I had to go to GoogleAdsense and fill out an incredibly complicated list of questions including the numbers for my bank account so they can deposit the money.

Its been about 4 or 5 months and I have accumulated about $60 but it hadn't been deposited so I tried to contact GoogleAdsense. They have an automatic email answering service that refers you to a list of the mistakes you might have made.

It took over 2 weeks to get a human being to actually address my problem which had to do with my real full name which is John Olsen Lear and my bank account name which is John Lear. If your real name doesn't match your bank account name there is no apparent way to resolve it.

After 2 more weeks of BS from the GoogleAdsense rep I suggested that they just send a check to my home address. They said OK but I would have to fill out everything again for the new procedure. Which I haven't done because $60 isn't worth the incredible aggravation of dealing with Google Adsense or with filling out all that crap again.

So not only do I not have the $60 I have generated as a Conspiracy Master for ATS but I have to read about how I am generating stories just to get the $60.

Maybe I'll just shoot myself. How about that for a conspiracy?

(I will probably wait until after I judge the AboveTopSecret.com beauty contest at the Bay Area UFO Expo in San Jose next weekend.)

John Lear,

Oh, that was an interesting lead-in to the Bay Area conference. lol

See folks, that's humor. You know it's humor. As opposed to
his theories on lunar mining projects, which are backed by an
a pretty hefty amount of information and which he does submit
for serious consideration.