It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by 11 11
b.t.w. I already know there was explosives in WTC, I have proof.
Originally posted by Donoso
11 11,
I hope you can provide this proof. It'll be very interesting to see what it is. While I also deeply feel that there was explosives used, if you have some sort of proof that hasn't existed before you? That'd be an amazing feat.
Originally posted by Insolubrious
I don't know about you but I would claim some of these arguments are much like straw men disinfo tactic, your moving away from the real argument and attacking the term 'squib'! How low of you!
Regardless of what a squib is we all know what these guys are referring to - the huge jets of smoke that are common place with explosive charges detonating inside the building. So can you please get over it and show us some true arguments instead of this nonsense!
Originally posted by 11 11
This is all the proof I need. Even though I have more...
(video)
Even though you hear 1 explosion. It could be 1 entire bottom row of a buildings support system. WTC 7.
Originally posted by himselfe
Perhaps I am missing something here, but could you please provide supporting citation and evidence that proves that that video is of 'explosives', or at least the sort of explosives that are being implied in this thread (to avoid any redundant ambiguity).
Originally posted by himselfe
Also could you explain to me how buildings the size of the WTC towers could possibly remain standing for any period of time after having an entire row of lower level support systems blown away? And how the collapse originated from the point of impact high up if the lower supporting structures were destabilised, or why they would bother destabilising the bottom row at all if their intent was to collapse the building from the point of impact?
Originally posted by 11 11
Originally posted by Donoso
11 11,
I hope you can provide this proof. It'll be very interesting to see what it is. While I also deeply feel that there was explosives used, if you have some sort of proof that hasn't existed before you? That'd be an amazing feat.
This is all the proof I need. Even though I have more...
My theory about WTC 7 is that they slowly made it more weak over time with really spanned out explosives. So that you only hear 1 explosion every few minutes. This way, they will hide amoung all the sirens, yelling, crying, and honking, and all the other spooky noises you could hear that day.
Notice after the explosion in the video another fire fighter comes up and says "You gotta get back from here", "You gotta get back", and he points to WTC 7 and the dust from the explosion reaches them. I think some of those firefighters new more than they tell us.
Explosion = explosives = all sound pretty much the same. You want me to prove the type of explosive, while at the same time, you ignore the fact that there is even an explosion in the first place, when there shouldn't be one.
WORLD TRADE CENTER SEVEN(7) is where the video was taken from. WTC7 was the only building to fall from the ground up.... just like demolition. The reason I stay clear from WTC1 and 2 is because no matter what evidence you bring forward, people are going to blame the collapse on the impact of the jets. It's a perfect cover for the masterminds of 911.
I did exagerate though, I didn't mean ALL the supports, I meant just really important ones. Buildings are designed to transfer stress to different parts of the structure when they loose support. So, what better way to bring down a building than to destroy many of the main supports, so that the building's stress is all focus in a smaller area. Then use a smaller explosive to destroy that small area, and the building will fall.
Originally posted by himselfe
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I've already addressed this in a related thread, at the bottom of that post:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
There is no reference in those images that proves that your scales and mappings are scientifically correct, also, why does this image have a picture of the WTC upside-down with the lines pointing to completely different floors than where they point to on the corresponding image that is the correct way up?
I see nothing addressing the elevator shafts in that paragraph or the rest of the post, in fact, contrary to your assumption about air ducts extending downwards, the elevator shafts (which is what I was referring to) actually extend upwards, as would be expected.
Can anybody explain to me, if the controlled demolition hypothesis is true, why the sequence of 'explosions' extends downwards, contrary to convention in controlled demolitions?
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Hey guys how about you take that WTC7 discussion over to one of the dozens of threads that address that same video clip?? Regurgitating the same old lines in every new topic ends up derailing every discussion, and it actually violates the ATS T&C (rules). See here:
files.abovetopsecret.com...
[edit on 17-8-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
If you scroll down a couple posts in that thread I linked I've answered that reoccuring question.
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Few would argue that the 'squibs' were meant to collapse the building themselves, it's rather to ensure that the structure falls to pieces as it goes, ensuring a total collapse for maximum psyop effect. This view would then give credence to the bombs explaination for why they fell down so fast.
Originally posted by 11 11
Because someone asked me to show my proof of explosives, and I did. That is not derailment, what is derailment is someone that is NOT an admin pretending to have some sort of authority over ME. Now stop pretending to be admin and get back on subject.
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Few would argue that the 'squibs' were meant to collapse the building themselves, it's rather to ensure that the structure falls to pieces as it goes, ensuring a total collapse for maximum psyop effect. This view would then give credence to the bombs explaination for why they fell down so fast.
You may also want to see here to understand the psyop concept:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
[edit on 17-8-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]
Originally posted by himselfe
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Few would argue that the 'squibs' were meant to collapse the building themselves, it's rather to ensure that the structure falls to pieces as it goes, ensuring a total collapse for maximum psyop effect. This view would then give credence to the bombs explaination for why they fell down so fast.
You may also want to see here to understand the psyop concept:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
[edit on 17-8-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]
There is a glaring lack of citation and evidence in that conjecture. I would refute your argument with citations from the source I have already linked to however as I have already explained I for some reason can't copy and paste from PDF files. I realise how much of a cop-out that sounds like but the link is there for anybody to read.
Citation and evidence are required in an explaination of why or how explosives could have been used without it actually being wired to the core as in conventional commercial demos?
If we're going to be sticklers how about you offer up some proof that the initial collapse mechanism was 'natural'.
It doesnt require citation or 'evidence' for it to be self-evident that the aftermath of 9/11 would have been nothing like what resulted had the towers not completely collapsed.