Fairbanks Video stabilized with horizontal charges.

You can clearly see the charges going off horizontally. This does not appear to be a squib but a lot more. Lets say the squibs are made of air pressure, what is this made of?

They will say magic fairy dust, or air pockets, or pressure from Rosie Odonalds fat..

But what they don't see its the same thing as a controlled demo.... What you expect them to actually tell you what it is.. Its for u to figure out.

that was a good clip, i have seen it before but usually with worse fps. Those 'squibs' were huge, I estimate aprox. 10+ meter ejection on those things. Watching these videos is slightly misleading because its hard to get a proper grasp on the scale due to the size of the buildings which undermining the hugeness of these explosions. Personally I think they had laced the building with a dozen or so extremely powerful explosives (micro nukes) and the squibs we are seeing are infact the exact location of the charges.

We also need to consider that those charges went off in the strongest part of the building.
I would like to know if any of the so called "debunkers" feel that this is due to air pressure and if yes why.

Very interesting! Looks like the whole corner is blowing out on the same floor, while the floors above and below are not affected by the "air pressure". Maybe someone can explain that this floor had no walls or offices to hinder the rush of "air pressure" coming from the collapse.

Good find piacenza!

All right the comlete "controled demolition" nonsense is one thing, but the improper use of the word squib has got to stop!!!

A "squib" is not a high powered demolition charge, it

Squib \Squib\, n. [OE. squippen, swippen, to move swiftky, Icel.
svipa to swoop, flash, dart, whip; akin to AS. swipian to
whip, and E. swift, a. See Swift, a.]
1. A little pipe, or hollow cylinder of paper, filled with
powder or combustible matter, to be thrown into the air
while burning, so as to burst there with a crack.

2. (Mining) A kind of slow match or safety fuse.

3. A sarcastic speech or publication; a petty lampoon; a
brief, witty essay.

You think all of you "demolition" and "enginering" experts would know the difference between a squib and a "charge" .

I guess it is a term people hear on TV related to special effects, and missused by disovery channel from time to time. So please even though it sounds "official" enough to use it isn't.


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YES! That video shows explosives on the only part of the entire building with no windows. That dark grey band around the WTC is there to give support to the building. There is 2 on each building, and that right there is proof of explosives.

That can NOT be air, because last I have seen, air can not bust out of steel like that.

Originally posted by Torlough
All right the comlete "controled demolition" nonsense is one thing, but the improper use of the word squib has got to stop!!!

Being the all-knowing expert on the subject, did you have an actual comment on what we're seeing there?

Originally posted by 11 11
YES! That video shows explosives on the only part of the entire building with no windows. That dark grey band around the WTC is there to give support to the building. There is 2 on each building, and that right there is proof of explosives.

That can NOT be air, because last I have seen, air can not bust out of steel like that.

Negative. Those "dark bands" are the mechanical (AC unit) floors. Instead of there being windows they were some sort of ventilation panels, that I still haven't seen any high resolutio images of to better understand what those window replacements were.

Um, so do you WANT! for it to have been explosives used?

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


Being the all-knowing expert on the subject, did you have an actual comment on what we're seeing there?

Yes please stop using the word squib, it is not the proper term. Explosive charge is. Squib just sounds silly, and my knee jerk reaction is to give the post little to no credit. Squibs are tiny.

Negative. Those "dark bands" are the mechanical (AC unit) floors. Instead of there being windows they were some sort of ventilation panels, that I still haven't seen any high resolutio images of to better understand what those window replacements were

I think you are correct those are AC floors. But the still have glass on those floors but they are darkened. If you look at the very top of the tower they have the same thing, and when I did an event at the top of the worl, I actually was taken into this area and shown the view out the windows. The "rooms" themselves were basically filled with air conditioned ducts. And from what I can remmber were dark grey.




There is a technical drawing on Wikkipedia:

upload.wikimedia.org... enter_Building_Design_with_Floor_and_Elevator_Arrangment.svg.png



The support to the building was inside, that is the entire concept of the architect:

"The structural system, deriving from the I.B.M. Building in Seattle, is impressively simple. The 208-foot wide facade is, in effect, a prefabricated steel lattice, with columns on 39-inch centers acting as wind bracing to resist all overturning forces; the central core takes only the gravity loads of the building. A very light, economical structure results by keeping the wind bracing in the most efficient place, the outside surface of the building, thus not transferring the forces through the floor membrane to the core, as in most curtain-wall structures. Office spaces will have no interior columns. In the upper floors there is as much as 40,000 square feet of office space per floor. The floor construction is of prefabricated trussed steel, only 33 inches in depth, that spans the full 60 feet to the core, and also acts as a diaphragm to stiffen the outside wall against lateral buckling forces from wind-load pressures.

www.greatbuildings.com...



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Wow

And at -1:09 (1 minute and 9 seconds left, just a few seconds into the video) if you look at the building infront the smoke clears behind it and THEN theres and explosion right in the middle of that building face! Its undeniably an explosion!

And im not sure on this one but it seems as if that explosion created even more smoke, like they were making sure you couldent see the area...

Any thoughts on my... thought? XD

Further to what Torlough said: Squib


In reference to the grey bands:

World Trade Centre floor plan (SVG)

Notice anything special? Think elevator shafts, think end points, think tunnel pressure, think cork.

Edit: Oops I was posting this before noticing that Torlough had made a second post.

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Thanks somone get it, I was jsut rying to illistrate to the CD people that the more you use the term "squibb" the less credibility you have, squibs are very small explosive charges. I was making sure charge was proper and found out I was wrong, shaped Charge would be better.

en.wikipedia.org...

And of corse knowing, and being at the WTC I just don't see how installing all those shapped charges in secret would be possible. IMHO



From what I recall on my visits to the trade center were there were no floors that were "solid" or "sealed off" with steal or concrete. All the floors had glass.

I am trying to find a better architectural drawing to illustrate that.

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Yes that "band" is the "mechanical floor". They use these for AC units, electrical, water, all of it. They are service floors that do not have windows. They do however have vents...

en.wikipedia.org...


Still, I read in many places that those grey bands were designed in a way to give strength to the WTC's, and those spots are critical. The only reason they made them mecanical floors was because they wouldn't make good office space.

b.t.w. I already know there was explosives in WTC, I have proof.

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Originally posted by Torlough
Thanks somone get it, I was jsut rying to illistrate to the CD people that the more you use the term "squibb" the less credibility you have, squibs are very small explosive charges. I was making sure charge was proper and found out I was wrong, shaped Charge would be better.

Wrong, a "squib" is the plume of smoke made by an explosive charge, like a shaped charge. Try again.

Originally posted by Torlough
And of corse knowing, and being at the WTC I just don't see how installing all those shapped charges in secret would be possible. IMHO

So if you brother was Marvin Bush, (head of electronic secruity for WTC), and you had many years to plant explosives while he worked in that possition. You would still think its impossible?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by 11 11
b.t.w. I already know there was explosives in WTC, I have proof.

Please do provide it.

Originally posted by 11 11
Wrong, a "squib" is the plume of smoke made by an explosive charge, like a shaped charge. Try again.

Squib

Squib_(explosive)

...

Originally posted by himselfe
In reference to the grey bands:

World Trade Centre floor plan (SVG)

Notice anything special? Think elevator shafts, think end points, think tunnel pressure, think cork.

I've already addressed this in a related thread, at the bottom of that post:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by 11 11
b.t.w. I already know there was explosives in WTC, I have proof.

Please, speak now or forever... well you know.

May I remind you and everyone :

1). Posting: You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.

So please share your information with us

Originally posted by 11 11
Yes that "band" is the "mechanical floor". They use these for AC units, electrical, water, all of it. They are service floors that do not have windows. They do however have vents...

Still, I read in many places that those grey bands were designed in a way to give strength to the WTC's, and those spots are critical. The only reason they made them mecanical floors was because they wouldn't make good office space.

You are correct. Also, what better place to plant explosive devices than in a restricted area that only proper personel (Marvin Bush's security cronies and maintenance) would have access to.

Originally posted by 11 11
b.t.w. I already know there was explosives in WTC, I have proof.

that'd be great if you could share.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I've already addressed this in a related thread, at the bottom of that post:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is no reference in those images that proves that your scales and mappings are scientifically correct, also, why does this image have a picture of the WTC upside-down with the lines pointing to completely different floors than where they point to on the corresponding image that is the correct way up?

Part of my argument was, assuming the air ducts from the mechanical floors disperse downwards from the mechanical floors, why were the 'jet plumes of dust' that far below the mechanical floor that wasn't yet consumed by the blast wave??

I see nothing addressing the elevator shafts in that paragraph or the rest of the post, in fact, contrary to your assumption about air ducts extending downwards, the elevator shafts (which is what I was referring to) actually extend upwards, as would be expected.

Can anybody explain to me, if the controlled demolition hypothesis is true, why the sequence of 'explosions' extends downwards, contrary to convention in controlled demolitions?

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