How c is not a limit

This view answers in my mind ( warped sideways ) many problems that seem to have no answers yet.. Like....

Is a Photon and little physical thingy or an EM wave.. A.. EM wave acting on the observers quantum connected particles and being perceived as a particle due to the method of observation.

Duality or does a Photon actually collapse into a wave when observed over a non zero distance of observation?

No.. It is ,was and shall always be a EM wave that manifests to our observation device as a particle when sampled at zero distance or better stated at a Zero time frame.

Is there a smallest physical particle?
Yup... that has a imparted kinetic energy signature that produces a EM wave that propagates through the Quantum State.. The remainder of the energy of the singularity of the BB not converted into matter/ antimatter.

Is SOL a constant or a variable..?
Variable and set by the total separation distance of all physical particles in the universe and varies at the rate of expansion. A value so large as to be considered a constant in our frame of reference. But varies locally between local groups of closely clumped physical particles..

Is the universe expanding at a ever slowing rate or faster rate..?
Faster.. The rate of expansion will increase as the overall distance of quantum bound physical particles increases.. an inverse tensor condition as a quantum energy connection between particles.

Is UGC really a constant? ( Universal Gravitational Constant)
Nope... Varies with the separation distance of quantum bound particles. again on a scale as to be considered constant.. But locally variable by the separation distance of clumps of quantum bound particles.

Is an Atom a little ball of stuff with other little balls of stuff orbiting it..
Nope.. Just a local grouping of bound particles that produce a signature EM wave that is the heterodyned combinations of all the EM waves produced by the local group of quantum bound particles. We then interact with these EM waves in the act of observing because we and any device used to observe the event directly impact that what is being observed. And our bias in designing the device and the method of observing causes us to presume the presence of physical stuff...

Can you Time travel?
Yup.. But only forward...never back.. and the variance in time will be dependant on separation distance of bound particles on a universal scale.. Cause that sets the SOL...

Can velocity of a physical particle beat the SOL?
Yup.. But requires a method to produce a inverse gravitational field in opposition to the intrinsic gravitations field produced by the object attempting the feat.. So as to become massless to an outside observer. No mass... No speed limit... and no a massless photon don't count.. its not a physical particle and all EM waves propagate at the local value of C.. a variable..

I could go on but I don't want you guys to hurt yer selves rolling around like that..

Just to close.. With this view.. All existing laws of physics remain intact. All your mathematical formula remain as before.. Einstinian , Newtonian, SR, GR views remain intact. Because you are only modeling the effect of this universally connected quantum state. Even the Zero Point boys can hang their hat on it cause it could be said that in a complete vacuum there would remain the residual energy of the singularity.

I think if some great math wizzz were to use this bias in their models they might actually be able to define the parameters of the quantum state based on the physical properties of physical particles in motion and in relation to each other...

Now.. Roll one up and tell me where I am dead wrong and ya can prove it...

Paul Mays

Originally posted by Quantummist
I sent it to You.... I'll be waiting for the world to change sitting here back in the sticks of Kentucky watching my melons grow so if you see any changes drop me a line or two...

Yeah, well I'm an interested amateur. Now we have two multi-post sequences. Thank you. I simply cannot read these on the screen; they will take study. Might I suggest a cohesive PDF? You could post it somewhere like scribd. I know I'm asking you to do some 'work' here while I sit back and wait, but I think anything you can do to flesh out this postulate and make it presentable would be helpful. But the math part (I've never known an engineer who sucks at math; they are all pretty good) is going to have to be in there somehow.

I would also like to recommend The Elegant Universe; superstrings, hidden dimensions, and the quest for the ultimate theory by Brian Greene. New York: Norton, 1999. This is a non-mathematical treatment of modern physics.

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I know I've been told many time to "Do the Math" , put it in a cohesive form, check my spelling and the like but truth is its just the rantings of disorganized mind so I tend to just spew forth my thoughts and not take myself very seriously.. So if you would like to cut and paste all those ranting into a cohesive form you can better follow, be my guest as for me I'm gona go pick a tomater off the vine and fire up my scoot and go for a long ride , while running through the hills I'll try to figure out how to change the world without actually having to do any work.. That would be an epiphany!

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Oh.. By the way.. Read the book.. waiting for the Movie

Originally posted by Quantummist
So if you would like to cut and paste all those ranting into a cohesive form you can better follow, be my guest

Okay. I will do so, make it available, and post back here. Might take a few days.

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Thats fine but remember that while all the words I wrote seem really complicated at first blush once you get the concept it becomes a very simple construct and needs very little info to follow.. Basically its that the Quantum Point of the BB still exists and we, along with all matter in the universe are inside it and that all of physics only describes Effects and none address Causation .. after that its all down hill... Were in the Box trying to define the outside we can never observe...

If nothing else I only hope that one person somewhere thinks a thought they have never thought before.. If thats done then I'm successful in my eforts

Quantummist, with Schuyler working on a .pdf file, it should be good.

I can't wait to get it, if Schuyler is willing to share!

Wow great thread, I have been waiting for something like this to pop into ATS for a while. Great job.

Please note; I understand about 60%-70% of your content. I have taken the highest math, physics and chemistry classes available in high school and have read some books on physics, this is about the extent of my knowledge on this subject, no more. Also, note, that I as far as I know have great natural understanding of math and physics but, I really lack in the memory department and have a bit of a language problem (dyslexia) so, bear with me on this.

I personally think you might be on to something and I am very interested in your thread. My physics teach told me that most likely our current math system is flawed and that he wouldn't be surprised if some 15 year old kid came along with a new theory of math and would completely render all our previous mathematical knowledge useless. I know a guy who has spent 23 years in higher education and was a classmate to the guy(I forget his name) who discovered tunneling. This guy I know briefly mentioned a method of traveling instantaneously through the universe which somewhat resembles yours. This all goes to support that you may be on to something.

On another note, I my self have somewhat been working on a theory that came to me in my sleep. One night, I woke up at 12 and walked down stairs and scribble some notes on a piece of paper. It was some physics gibberish that I completely understood when I did it but, completely forgot it all by morning. It was the start of a theory that resembles yours but, it did differ greatly. I hope I can find that scribble again and one day work it out into a presentable form to share with others but, that is a while off, I just graduated high school this year and am currently of to post secondary, to secure a decent career before I return to my quest for a scientific break through. (Hey, I believe in setting a nice high goal in life)

Sincerely Quantummist, this is a great thread. Keep up the work

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Quantummist,

Love the thread - I'm curious as to what general level of technology you think Earth would need to implement an interstellar device using your theories as the basis for its propulsion - 10 years ahead? 50? 100+? I'm not a physicist, so I can't evaluate it on its merits, but at least your ideas doe not invoke spirituality or m-theory or anything that is all but useless to us at this point.

We always think of an ET intelligence as being thousands, if not millions of years ahead of techwise (as if alien intelligences would develop in the same manner and patterns as us in the first place). But roughly speaking, could it be possible that the technology to travel FTL does no require godlike skills, just a few lucky insights into physics that are within our near-term grasp?

Becuase as it stands now, unless we make some sort of major breakthroughs into the nature of reality and space-time, even in 100 years the best we will be able to do is accelerate at 1g and plan on spending years and years going to even the closest stars. Perhaps when we have artificial bodies we can increase the acceleration many fold, but that c barrier, and the insane amount of energy required to get close to it within a reasonable time, is going to put a serious dampener on visions of a Star Trek universe.

I don't see why any truly advanced ETs would give us their insights considering that we cant even manage out own planet very well yet. Humans do not go out and give cars to hamsters, I doubt ET would do the same for us.

Hi again folks and I'm actually surprised at the feed back I have gotten on my little rant in this area. Thanx for all the pats .. I'm trying to write a bit more to better explain point aspects of the postulate and will add later to follow up but wanted to address DDA's state of technology question first.

If I am correct (Big IF) then we actually could see a gravitational drive engine in the near future. The concept of a static electrical field has roots back into the 30's and all that is required in my humble opinion is a reasonable high temp super conductor and an insulator with a dialectic constant in the 30 to 40 range. This is a materials science problem but not all that far away.

I think that a very high level controllable electrical Stress field my be the answer and this is based on work by Tesla mainly but also from reading of the Brown Effect where motion is produced by application of static charge alone.

At one time I drew up a test of concept device that would prove the basic concept and have just spent hours looking for the writing and drawings but can't lay hands on it yet so in a while I'll redo it.. I also drew up a craft design with how such a system would work and how it would produce a gravitational bubble in opposition to the steady state. Now don't get me wrong this is not a fanciful SciFi kinda thing and Its all based on the premise of the Inverse Tenser of the quantum state.

The basic concept is that you place a variable very high DC charge Positive on one side and negative on the other across a dialectic of very high constance. Today we do not have any materials that can do what is required that in them selves have a very low mass as the, if I'm correct (Big If) the generated stress field will have to be strong enough to over come the gravitational well caused by the Device and the larger the rest mass the larger the field required. So you need a very light wiring on the order of 2 or 3 microns that can handle 30 to 40k volts and an insulator with in the neighborhood of a dialectic constant of 30 whereas ceramic today has a constant of 16. So the wiring would have to be super conductive at that size and could not have cooling so it would require materials that to this point we do not have. But if you do a bit of research you will run across experiments at U of Denver that tend to show some variation of beryllium and yiridium formed into a ceramic may lead to both a High Temp very high dialectic insulator and a medium temp super conductor.

So what I think would occure is that when say 30 k vdc is placed on one side and say 40 kvdc on the opposing side the stress field will develop around the device in opposition to the imposed well created by the rest mass of the device on the steady state of the Quantum universe. If I vary the differance between plates the device will not be center within the field so by conservation of energy rule the device will attempt to move to the center of the bubble. But since the device is generating the bubble the device will cause the bubble to move in the direction the device is trying to go to center. This is in a simply view a self generated gravitational wave and the device would move with the wave and could be controlled by varying both the stress field strength and the balance between the charged plates. As for power to run the device its not all that much as the only energy is to generate the field.. The motion is a function of known rules of conservation of energy and the fact that it would not have a rest mass in relation to all other matter in the universe. This is where I came up with the fanciful "How Little Green Men Do It" in the beginning of this thread.

Now I know sounds too simple and should have been done already if its so easy but reality is that it may have been done in the 30's but due to materials and not knowing how the heck it could do that with the laws of physics we have today it was and is disregarded much as the Brown Effect .

Now I have an Idea to prove the concept that I think can be done.. Many of you have seen the little photometers that spin when the sun hits them. I propose a device that would look sorta like that with 4 vanes in a vacuum chamber. Each vane separated with a very thin dialectic with one side of each vane charged with a variable dc charge on opposing sides.. If I am correct when the voltage is placed on the vanes they will rotate around the pivot point. If it does I can explain how it is doing it while according to all know physical laws it should not rotate. The rotation negates any effect on charge fields by the earth magnetosphere as at any time the field is both in opposition and alignment with it.. Existing laws say it will not work.. I say it will .. problem in my case is I'm a disabled vet and trying to get the funds to build it are out of my range so I hope someone will take up the idea and make a proof of concept device. If someone does they can have all the credit if it works and I'll take all the credit if it don't.

As I said I will redo my drawing of both the test device, craft concept and the explanation of how it works following the GUTS postulate I wrote earlier. Give me a few days as I have to have another surgery soon so its a bit hard to concentrate at the moment..

Again thanx for all the interest folks and feel free to ask away on any aspect of the postulate and I will do my best to enplane... But, I do tend to do a better job when I can speak it and draw little pictures on a board at the same time... so understand if theres gaps between the questions and the answers...

By the way boys and gurls... I've gotten it before so I thought I would preempt the "I'm uninformed on modern state of physics" and "just a kook" comments I have gotten before and I have posted in my profile comments section my resume. I was trained as a Nike-Hurk Nuke tech and carried a Top secret clearance for my military life and maintained a civilian grade clearance for 20 years while I designed and installed emergency power systems across the US for most of the government installations including running the service group that maintained the power systems for the CIA in McClain Va. when I was with Tru-Power Corp. Shortly after leaving the Army I worked for Tandy Corp and designed the serial to Para I/O card that allowed the first floppy drive to be used in home PC's .. Before that all pc's used cassette tape drives and my card was the prototype that Tandy used to interface the Shugart 5 1/4" drives.

Anyone can verify my background so I am speaking from a bit of authority on the electrical field aspects as I have worked on systems up to the 26 KVA from the main power drops. And have torn down and installed many a warhead in the nikes back in the day.

I have been called a lot of names by professors and physicists I have tried to explain my postulate to so I figure if some run across this thread I will get that so use your own minds to make your thoughts up. I am too old to care about it personally but since a bunch of you seem interested I wanted to make sure you all start with full disclosure on the writer ( Me ) .

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paulr.mays.com...

I did this PDF My first shot so don't give me greeefff if its not all wizz bang. Also I noticed I put the wrong title this is actually a PDF that tries to explain the detail of my postulate on how the speed of light is variable and the causation of that variance and why we perceive it and observe it as a constant. This also adds a bit to the explanation of variance of the UGC and the cause of Gravity locally by local groupings of matter.

I will try to add more of these short constructs on different aspects of my postulate and the next one will really be a more concise explanation of what a Quantum Point is and its overview. I'll do one on the Device I have spoken of and one on SPP's (Smallest Physical Particles) and another on EM Wave interaction and how a wave can be observed as a particle because of the quantum connection of the observed and the observer and any devices used to observe..

Feel free to totally tear anything I speak of apart as it helps me better develope the concepts..

Paul Mays

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Also folks if your interested I have a PDF on Nikola Tesla that is a very good look into his life and work,,

paulr.mays.com...

Enjoy boys and Girls...

Tip of the hat to the gents and kiss to the cheeks of the lady fairs...

Paul R. Mays

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[edit on 8/19/07 by Quantummist]

Originally posted by Quantummist
Now I have an Idea to prove the concept that I think can be done.. Many of you have seen the little photometers that spin when the sun hits them....

If I am correct when the voltage is placed on the vanes they will rotate around the pivot point. If it does I can explain how it is doing it while according to all know physical laws it should not rotate.

Are you referring to the same problem that current physics (as stated by my physics teacher), can not explain how or why a refrigerator magnet can and will pull its self towards a fridge and suspends its self. The problem being that the magnet should not (by calculations with currents physics and math) have the energy and force to do that. Is this sorta related to your supposed device and proof towards your theory?

Also, the anti-gravity device concept you mentioned before, it sounds really similar to something a friend of mine told me about. He described a theoretical device that produces a field called "a null field". It works by creating a bubble shaped field from instantaneously rotating polarities(please note I have definite or detailed info on this), with in this field gravity in theory will be able to be reduced, nullified or reversed on the objects within the field. Does this sound related to your device?

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It does sound a bit like my concept. I am trying to put together a paper that better explains the concept but to see the idea it requires starting at point Zero and explain the Quantum Point and the nature of the resulting quantum state after matter was converted at the BB.

As for the Magnet thing thats to me better explained by electrical fields having a effect on magnetic fields and causing a increase in the local magnetic attraction on the magnet.

There are several folks in the past that have taken a look at methods to vary the relative mass of a device but I think part of the problem is that the energy to create a very high level stress field must be very high and when tried it was never enough to over come the impact on the Quantum State of the massive object. It requires a very low rest mass device to start with and the voltages required are so high the break down existing materials before the effect can be observed.

Thanx for the interest

Paul R. Mays

Hello All .. I have just updated my Postulate on G.U.T.S. To clarify some points and added a few drawing so as to better visualize the idea. Fell free to down load the PDF and add markups to it and send it back to me and I will try to fix what wrong.

Heres the link to it again..

Paul Mays

Paulr.mays.com...

You may have already answered this in one of your posts - forgive me I'm a bit thick.......! But what does your postulate tell us about so called dark matter/ energy, and the fact that most of the universes' mass is hidden/missing?

Thank you, but ill stick with it being turtles all the way down - much easier to live with

I think the monologue was a record though - i hesitate to even mention that there might be a reason for the 4000 character limit on posts... Ow, my brain...

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Its the first item up for bid. After the BB went B it converted Some of its Energy into matter but not all.. It still exists as a Quantum State and we are inside it and it inside us so the missing Dark Energy or Dark Matter as they actually are both the same thing,, The remainder of the energy that was the Quantum Point of the BB and its all around us but is not Physically able to be observed as its imposable for one in the box to describe the box hes is...