Bible supports Atlantis/Flooded world theory.

Originally posted by Essan
Oh, and if we're using Genesis - it clearly states that God destroyed every living thing on the planet except for Noah and those in the ark with him. However, other flood myths clearly describe people surviving by climbing trees or hills or even hiding on caves. So either they describe different events. Or God is a liar.

Or both.

H.

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Well Harte, there you and Essan go again, for god sakes why do you guys treat what the bible says like gospel....oh wait, er, ah forget that. LOL

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I agree, but doesnt it also state that after the flood God promised not to flood the world again...i mean cmon a promise is a promise.

Originally posted by lostinspace
I am of the oppinion that Adam and Eve and their offspring were the only source for human kind. Remember it was about 1600 years before the Deluge happened. A great deal of things could have happened between the creation of Adam and the Flood. Also, it is suggested that at some point in that time some of the angels materialized and fathered sons with human women. Either they or their sons would have ruled over many cities due to their superiority, strength and or power. These cities would have been advanced compared to those built by total humans.

But that can't be true cos even the bible talked about people that were on the Earth before Adam and Eve. You have to look beyond just the bible for the answers to the puzzle of the origins of mankind. What about all the books the bible is made up of? All that information that was warped and omitted? Doesn't that count? There are so much discrepancies that you can't ignor. After the flood Noah and friend were supposed to be the only ones on Earth, but they talk about people coming down from the mountains after the flood subsided. This proves that there were people before Adam and Eve and that there were other survivors after the flood. So the

Originally posted by Quiintus


But that can't be true cos even the bible talked about people that were on the Earth before Adam and Eve. You have to look beyond just the bible for the answers to the puzzle of the origins of mankind. What about all the books the bible is made up of? All that information that was warped and omitted? Doesn't that count? There are so much discrepancies that you can't ignor. After the flood Noah and friend were supposed to be the only ones on Earth, but they talk about people coming down from the mountains after the flood subsided. This proves that there were people before Adam and Eve and that there were other survivors after the flood. So the

There are numerous sacred writings from different civilizations all around the globe. Anyone can pick and choose the ones they like. Some people migrate from one to another depending on life changing situations. What makes a Native American go from nature worshiper to Christian? Brainwashing or a better message?

Many people would rather believe the writings of Sumerian tablets over the Mosaic writings, which would invalidate most of Israel’s history. Each ancient civilization had their own teachings for their people to follow. Marduk (also known as Bel) wanted people to worship him in Babylon. Ra wanted people to worship him in Egypt. Dagon wanted people to worship him in Philistine. Yahweh wanted people to worship him in Israel. The list goes on.

All these ancient civilizations recorded unbelievable magic and powers performed by their gods. I think it’s kind of funny because everyone assumes our ancestors were gullible and always exaggerated on everything they saw. I say they saw these powers and they were real. Yahweh turned Aaron’s staff into a snake and Ra turned his priests’ staffs into snakes. Yahweh's snake ate both of Ra's snakes. A god against a god. In the past each angelic “Prince” had authority over his particular nation of choice. Daniel mentions that Yahweh’s angel Gabriel could not overpower the “Prince” (angel) of Persia. It took Yahweh’s greater “Prince” Michael (of Israel) to overpower the angel of Persia. It was a tug of war between the gods for thousands of years.

There are millions upon millions of intelligent beings, that are made up of energy, in this universe and they are making a choice for their future like you and I. A number of them would rather have absolute freedom from their maker for a limited time than have eternal servitude. This sounds exactly like people’s attitude toward religion today. Without Law is there order?

Did you know it was written in the bible that the amazing powers of the gods was going to end at a certain age? Miracles were not going to be the drawing factor of a god’s power at a certain time. The supreme being cut off all direct powers from all the angels, including himself. Follower’s could only be drawn in by the message.

If you like the message Marduk gave to his people in Babylon, then follow him. What does he promise you? Did any of his prophecies come true? Can he bring you back to life? I rather like Yahweh’s message.

The search for truth is important for all people. Why are we here? Where are we going? Is this all there is?

I will call this post "Diffusing Misunderstanding."

-"There's a contradiction concerning Cain, the Land of Nod, and Adam and Eve having the only family in existence.."

While the biological plot of who Adam and Eve's children married is hotly debated, there's no contradiction here. For one, we have no idea how long Cain wandered before actually meeting other people: “I shall be a fugitive and wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.” We also know nothing of how many children had populated the earth by the time he meets his wife.

This may promote gap theorists, but it's simply a matter of sticking to the story that matters: which is following the line of Seth.

As to the inbreeding questions (while that's a proverbial can of worms worthy of its own discussion), we're talking about a puriform bloodline. The first two humans had no corrupted genetics. They weren't a copy of a copy of a copy. No, they weren't simply the first two to "awake" from a primitive state either, as God said, "Death entered the world through sin..." and sin didn't exist until Adam and Eve enacted it. Evolution requires mutation, death, and natural selection; none of which would have been possible until after death occurs the first time. Furthermore, all translations declare, quite clearly that God formed Adam with his own hands in a day. Jesus later speaks of having been present at the creation and uses the term "days" meaning literally "from one sunset to the next" and not "age" or "period of time."

Is it possible that Adam and Eve's children bred? It could be. But again, we're talking about an unpolluted blood line and a situation of life prior to the laws of sexual relations laid down in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Also, there's scientific evidence that, when a gap is large enough (such as, say, one child born some 200 years before another, as would be the case if the Biblical account is true), there isn't a genetic error risking disabilities as we consider it today.

God may also have taken ribs from Adam and Eve's children, as he did from Adam, to make suitors for them. Again, since the names have meaning and it's all pointing to the bloodline of Israel and ultimately Jesus, these details are rather irrelevant. Only Satan perpetuates ideas to argue it because he hates the plan for salvation. It's the reason certain pieces of psychology and evolution exist: to make disbelievers out of the world; to oppose God and his Christ.

-"Epic of Gilgamesh"

I've read it thoroughly. No, it doesn't predate the Christian God. For one, God is Eternal. The Christian God is the God of the Jews; the Jews simply don't accept Christ. Abram (Abraham) came from Sumer (known as the Biblical Shinar), the very birthplace of civilization (following the flood), and knew well their cultures. Furthermore, evidence suggests that the book of Job predates even the Sumerian tablets. The Epic of Gilgamesh actually serves as a great confirming piece of evidence to the stories of the Nephilim from the Bible. The fallen angels bred with men and women of the earth, creating giants, Nephilim, and subsequent tribes (known as the Rephaim, the Zuzim, the Ephraim, etc.), who dwelt in the lands but were later hunted in several Biblical military campaigns.

Their goal was not only to dominate humans (thus explaining the creatures in Gilgamesh, as well as stories of Hercules, the Egyptian gods, UFO phenomenons, the Pyramids, etc.), but also to pollute the bloodline preventing the coming of Christ; for it says: "From the seed of the woman shall come he who crushes the head of the serpent."

There are questions as to how these grand civilizations were capable of their buildings, governing styles, artwork depicting giants and weird creatures labeled "gods"... It isn't because it's a primitive way of explaining what they hoped for. It's because they were influenced by these beings explained Biblically. They were eventually wiped out. History became legend, legend became myth, etc.

Continued...

-"Which is to say that the Bible is true and not brainwashing?" or "Each person has their own preference..."

That's great. But why not stack up the evidence. There are more than 24,000 archaeological finds supporting the names, places, and events of the Bible. It's the most accurately detailed piece of human history and genetic heirloom text in existence.

There's more evidence confirming the events in the life of Jesus Christ than there is evidence for the existence of President Barack Obama.

It has been proven that the prophetic books were all written before their confirming event came to pass (ie: Daniel's prediction of the Achaemenid Empire, Alexander the Great; the statue describing the empires of the world and how each would collapse; the 70 7's prophecy detailing the exact day when the King Messiah would ride into Jerusalem - which just so happens to be the exact same day Jesus rode in on a donkey (Lemme guess, he tricked everyone right? He knew when he'd be born and knew enough when that day would come and just managed to pull it off...), etc.)

No other scripture in the world has been as correct, accurate, or as detailed in it's prophetic claims. The 2012 and Nostradamus stuff is not only plagiarized from other texts, but it uses broad generalizations and has often been incorrect.

Evolution is only a 1/5 science. Only micro-level variation can be observed. Dating methods are constantly refuted, rebuffed, changed, etc. They can't deal with things like Irreducible Complexity, the Helium Escape factor; there simply aren't intermediaries in the fossil record (which coincidentally only exists in the textbooks). It's a religion, a belief structure. They've attached some good science to it and continually bend or "evolve" their own theory in the face of criticism to keep it going, but it will die soon enough.

Anyway, there just isn't anything that can hold a candle to the Bible. When considering the percentage of verifiable truths, the evidence, the science, the around the world observational confirmations... it's not even close.

It doesn't need to bend to accommodate other theories, evolution, etc. The important stuff, and the answers which are relevant, are all in there. Evolution was set up without scientific basis. It was a proposed alternative (before Darwin came around) made by those who directly sought to oppose the need for God. They have since twisted evidence, changed, covered up, and perpetuated Satan's goal in order to oppose Christ. Since people (much like Adam and Eve) will seek an opportunity to be their own gods, their own masters, they gobbled it up eagerly.

Fortunately the sane people can still see through it. Have you ever read a science text book? I Just went through 8 years of biological courses and none of the evolutionary claims are backed or cross-referenced with anything verifiable. It's all "believe it because we tell you to" without any explanation.

Other religious texts are the same way. Perpetuated by those who oppose God and his Christ. They tried to be their own gods (Nimrod), and failed. They tried to pollute the population, both genetically and religiously (the Nephilim) and failed. Now they try and use technology to claim science opposes him. They already do fail in light of real science, but will suffer their big failure soon enough.

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Remember that the fallen watchers/grigori came down in the days of Jared and gave their nephilim(titan) children technology and secrets beyond anything we know today so they could rule the entire earth then according to Genesis 6 and the book of Enoch. They gave them vimanas/vailixi and taught them hermetic magic, metal working, make up, etc. Remember that the average man live about 600-900 years old then. If you were intellectually inferior and just kicked sticks around for 800 years, you were bound to learn something in the meantime. Imagine if you were smart and then something taught you high technology with those lifespans! I will make a thread on this to continue more specifically...

Im going to provide a link to a book from the Ancient Texts that the Bible was based on. Enoch is Noahs great grandfather. This book was actually destroyed by early forfathers of Christianity, naming this book and this author as ''secret information''. Then, if anyone is still confused, theres always YouTube.com. I have been researching things of this nature for the past few years, and I have had ever question answered.
reluctant-messenger.com...
God Bless! Good luck in your findings, and I hope your questions ar answered.

The Biblical world view is the correct one, though many will deny it, often with the objection that it is not scientific. But there is abundant scientific basis for the truth of the Bible. That being established, then we can see how aproximately 6000 years ago was the beginning, as defined in the book of Genesis. Given family size and humans living for hundreds of years, the population of the earth could easily number in the millions by the time of Noah and the flood. These pre-flood people are who most people would consider the nation of Atlantis, only the secular notions of Atlantis are distorted after the flood as the many nations disperse around the world. It all fits within the Biblical timeframe, tens & hundreds of thousands of years of history are just untrue. Keep in mind the continent of Atlantis so called "sank". Well the Bible says all the land was gathered in to one place, in other words, it was one continent with oceans surrounding it and covering the rest of the earth. So if we have one super continent "sinking", or the floodwaters rising, then we have Atlantis disappearing beneath the waves. The smaller continents that re-appeared after the flood, are the continents we see today. They are the broken up pieces of Atlantis, covered in thousands of feet of sedimentary rock now.

Originally posted by lostinspace
I am of the oppinion that Adam and Eve and their offspring were the only source for human kind. Remember it was about 1600 years before the Deluge happened. A great deal of things could have happened between the creation of Adam and the Flood. Also, it is suggested that at some point in that time some of the angels materialized and fathered sons with human women. Either they or their sons would have ruled over many cities due to their superiority, strength and or power. These cities would have been advanced compared to those built by total humans.

The Bible also tells us that the world was created in six days, and fixes the epoch of this creation at about 4000 years before the Christian era. Previously to that period the earth did not exist. At that period it was produced out of nothing. Such is the formal declaration of the sacred text, yet science, positive, inexorable steps in with proof to the contrary.

The history of the formation of the globe is written in indestructible characters in the worlds of fossils, proving beyond the possibility of denial that the six days of the creation are successive periods, each of which may have been of millions of ages.

This is not a mere matter of statement or of opinion. It is a fact as incontestably certain as is the motion of the earth, and one that theology itself can no longer refuse to admit, although this admission furnishes another example of the errors into which we are led by attributing literal truth to language which is often of a figurative nature.

Are we therefore to conclude that the Bible is a mere tissue of errors? No; but we must admit that men have erred in their method of interpreting it.

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Are we therefore to conclude that the Bible is a mere tissue of errors? No; but we must admit that men have erred in their method of interpreting it.

Or

The men who wrote it got it wrong. Man created religion in an attempt to explain what was going on around them in nature and they put into 'holy' books mankinds learned wisdom and also speculated wildly on the nature of things. Needless to say much of the speculation was wrong.

Yes, the first people of the world had to commit incest. No matter if they were formed from evolution or God or Cylons.

Second, Adam and Eve lived over 900 years. If they had a child every 10 years from 200-600 that would be 40 children. If some of them had children every 10 years and then their children had children you'd reach a million people very quickly. Since the life span was so long and we'd assume no cancers or flu's or measles yet their small region would fill up quickly.

After 300 years you think it's still just Adam and Eve and their 3 kids??

Originally posted by jjkenobi
Yes, the first people of the world had to commit incest. No matter if they were formed from evolution or God or Cylons.

Second, Adam and Eve lived over 900 years. If they had a child every 10 years from 200-600 that would be 40 children. If some of them had children every 10 years and then their children had children you'd reach a million people very quickly. Since the life span was so long and we'd assume no cancers or flu's or measles yet their small region would fill up quickly.

After 300 years you think it's still just Adam and Eve and their 3 kids??

Or you can skip over all of that and dismiss the odd tale as just a story for how would men of that time known where they had evolved from? Mitochondrial testing appears to give a much different pathway for mans spreading over the earth.




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What the image above doesn't show are the Denisovan who were probably in Asia

Originally posted by Hanslune
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Are we therefore to conclude that the Bible is a mere tissue of errors? No; but we must admit that men have erred in their method of interpreting it.

Or

The men who wrote it got it wrong. Man created religion in an attempt to explain what was going on around them in nature and they put into 'holy' books mankinds learned wisdom and also speculated wildly on the nature of things. Needless to say much of the speculation was wrong.

I like mine better. I try not to let my dislike for certain religions blind me of the truths.

Originally posted by jjkenobi
Second, Adam and Eve lived over 900 years. If they had a child every 10 years from 200-600 that would be 40 children. If some of them had children every 10 years and then their children had children you'd reach a million people very quickly. Since the life span was so long and we'd assume no cancers or flu's or measles yet their small region would fill up quickly.

After 300 years you think it's still just Adam and Eve and their 3 kids??

Did the human race begin with one man only?

No; he whom you call Adam was neither the first nor the only man who peopled the earth.


Is it possible to know at what period Adam lived?


About the period which is assigned to him, that is to say, about 4000 years before Christ.

The man of whom, under the name of Adam, tradition has preserved the memory, was one of those who, in some one of the countries of the globe, survived one of the great cataclysms which at various epochs have changed its surface, and who became the founder of one of the races that people the earth at the present day.

The laws of nature render it impossible that the amount of progress which we know to have been accomplished by the human race of our planet long before the time of Christ could have been accomplished so rapidly as must have been the case if it had only been in existence upon the globe since the period assigned as the date of Adam. The opinion most consonant with reason is that which regards the story of Adam as a myth, or as an allegory personifying the earliest ages of the world Diversity of Human Races.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by Hanslune
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Are we therefore to conclude that the Bible is a mere tissue of errors? No; but we must admit that men have erred in their method of interpreting it.

Or

The men who wrote it got it wrong. Man created religion in an attempt to explain what was going on around them in nature and they put into 'holy' books mankinds learned wisdom and also speculated wildly on the nature of things. Needless to say much of the speculation was wrong.

I like mine better. I try not to let my dislike for certain religions blind me of the truths.

Sure as long you accept that your choice is selected based on your religious bias and not facts.

I don't believe in all religions equally

Originally posted by Hanslune
Or you can skip over all of that and dismiss the odd tale as just a story for how would men of that time known where they had evolved from? Mitochondrial testing appears to give a much different pathway for mans spreading over the earth.

Or you could skip over all that and consider it an allegory for the triumph of agricultural society over nomadic, which is what it actually is.

Harte

All the religions say the same thing man was wiped out by a flood. The sea level was around 150-200 feet lower and most cities form on the coast for trading. The time period around 10-13k years ago is filled with stories genetic manipulation ( giants centaurs and many others) to flying machines ( all cultures say it ). The odds of finding anything to prove it 100% is under the sea. That time period there would of been 3-4 different species of human from neanderthal to cromagnum to modern man.

Howdy warsight

Originally posted by warsight
All the religions say the same thing man was wiped out by a flood. The sea level was around 150-200 feet lower and most cities form on the coast for trading. The time period around 10-13k years ago is filled with stories genetic manipulation ( giants centaurs and many others) to flying machines ( all cultures say it ). The odds of finding anything to prove it 100% is under the sea. That time period there would of been 3-4 different species of human from neanderthal to cromagnum to modern man.

No, not all, Shinto has no flood myth destruction of man. Ancient cities formed on rivers where they provided fresh water for the people and irrigation for agriculture, if you look at the Harappa, Egyptian, Han and Sumerian civilizations they were centered on rivers, the development of the later civlilzations in the new world were inland based, like the Maya, Aztecs and Inca. Man moving to the coasts is a later development, as in the Minoan, etc. Our earliest settlements, Jericho, Gobekli Tepe and Catalhuyuk are also inland.

No there are stories about monsters and strange beasts which fill all time periods and from all cultures.

The 'everything is hidden by the sea' is similar to the claim that 'the government is hiding everything', it doesn't bear up under investigation. Sure the sea rose but it did so gradually except in select cases. The sea also tends to give up that which it contains - the beaches are not strewn with material from these cultures nor the lands near them.

Yes it does appear that there were different/earlier versions of man running around - I suspect we'll find more too

From Harte

Or you could skip over all that and consider it an allegory for the triumph of agricultural society over nomadic, which is what it actually is.

True!