Bible supports Atlantis/Flooded world theory.

Originally posted by highfreq

Originally posted by Legalizer
It rained for 40 straight days somewhere in Texas somewhere, and guess what, Texas is still there! So much for the bible's deluge.

That's interesting . Do you have a link I could view to back that up. Some how I never heard about that.

Yes look up Austin Texas Television stations (kvue, keye, kxan)

in 90 days we had rain 85 days and it was something like 60 or 65 straight days of rain here, we had mass flooding a few miles north of Austin an entire town flooded out ( marble falls , TX)

A quote from the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus in his Antiquities of the Jews.

"And when Cain had traveled over many countries, he, with his wife, built a city, named Nod, which is a place so called, and there he settled his abode; where also he had children."

He and his wife went to Nod, he did not find his wife there, they began the building of cities there in which to raise his children, similar to what was done on the American frontier when settlers went and began carving out homes in the wilds.

"Now all the writers of barbarian histories make mention of this flood, and of this ark; among whom is Berosus the Chaldean. For when he is describing the circumstances of the flood, he goes on thus: "It is said there is still some part of this ship in Armenia, at the mountain of the Cordyaeans; and that some people carry off pieces of the bitumen, which they take away, and use chiefly as amulets for the averting of mischiefs." Hieronymus the Egyptian also, who wrote the Phoenician Antiquities, and Mnaseas, and a great many more, make mention of the same. Nay, Nicolaus of Damascus, in his ninety-sixth book, hath a particular relation about them; where he speaks thus: "There is a great mountain in Armenia, over Minyas, called Baris, upon which it is reported that many who fled at the time of the Deluge were saved; and that one who was carried in an ark came on shore upon the top of it; and that the remains of the timber were a great while preserved. This might be the man about whom Moses the legislator of the Jews wrote."

The Bible does not give us a specific number of Adam and Eves children. Adam and Eve had Cain (Genesis 4:1), Abel (Genesis 4:2), Seth (Genesis 4:25), and many other sons and daughters (Genesis 5:4). With likely hundreds of years of child-bearing capability, Adam and Eve likely had 50+ children in their lifetime. This is where Cains wife came from.

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Originally posted by gionduu
The Bible does not give us a specific number of Adam and Eves children. Adam and Eve had Cain (Genesis 4:1), Abel (Genesis 4:2), Seth (Genesis 4:25), and many other sons and daughters (Genesis 5:4). With likely hundreds of years of child-bearing capability, Adam and Eve likely had 50+ children in their lifetime. This is where Cains wife came from.

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So Cain married one of his sisters?
Forgive me i know very little about the bible.
I've also read somewhere, i'll try and find a link, that for a group of humans to breed and survive a genetic pool of at least 400-500 people is required. perhaps someone with some knowledge of genetics could clear that up.

Originally posted by mojo4sale

So Cain married one of his sisters?
Forgive me i know very little about the bible.

They all happily married to each other ever after, a big incest family. That's where they came from.
And that's why some Christian believe that all human came from Adam family.

Genetic pool problem? Who could have problem when God is with them?

You must have faith, you must have faith!

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You don't know anything and neither do we.

This is about speculation; it would be wise not to exhibit foolishness in acting like you know better.

As for my opinion, I believe that the proverbial Adam and Eve (not the actual names) are the first roots of our kind... but not necessarily all kind.

I do realize there is a possibility that Earth has bred more than just humans. Scientists claim that Earth is billions of years old.

As we all know, it doesn't take very long for intelligent life to develop (supposedly) in a paradisical environment. All intelligent really means is "self-aware". If you'll notice in Genesis, the first "knowledge" that "Adam and Eve" gained was to realize their nakedness.

Well, even my dog Kiko does that now. When she's going to take a pee, she don't like people watching. I don't blame her. If she didn't have the hair she does, she'd be beggin' for a blanket.

Regardless, we shouldn't limit our idea of intelligent life to the ability to perform mechanical operations with our hands. How soon people forget that ideas are great, but without hands to make them a reality, it wouldn't get done.

The only thing that separates us from other intelligence species is that we are gifted/cursed with a body that can manipulate in a way no other can.

The Bible supports a lot of things... and there are a lot of people who say the Bible contradicts itself.

Let me point out to you wise ones; the Bible is much newer than the stories in it. It is a consolidation of many texts by many authors. The people who consolidated the information had a totally different idea in mind than the original authors. There are going to be things that don't match up word for word! The point is to take what we can from it -- not to distract yourself pitting the discrepencies against themselves.

The Bible is like a game-- a puzzle if you will. It can be very useful, or it can destroy you. But, that's my choice, now isn't it?

^_^

So Cain married one of his sisters?
Forgive me i know very little about the bible.
I've also read somewhere, i'll try and find a link, that for a group of humans to breed and survive a genetic pool of at least 400-500 people is required. perhaps someone with some knowledge of genetics could clear that up.

Hi.

No. You've never been to Tennessee have you?

My Opinion

Well if you take the Adam and Eeve story at face value it is possible that

Modern humans were first created and lived in eden.

Other less evolved / slightly different versions of modern human to

Neanderthals etc could have been mulling around.

Well whatever the case may be I enjoy talking in circles and whatever theory is

put out there no matter how scientifically sound or fanciful is all good by me.

Study the School of Metaphysics, the akashic records and a book called Remebering Atlantis. All you answers will be revealed there.

Adam and Eve were the first humans, and therefore "fathered" the civilizations mentioned. They actually had many sons and daughters that were never mentioned in the Bible. The Bible says that they had other sons and daughters after Seth, but it doesn't exclude the possibility of them having some before.

As far as the global flood, it did happen, but I doubt it was what caused the destruction of Atlantis. In my opinion if Atlantis was even hinted at in the Bible it was a city that the Bible claimed was very advanced, and was the capital of some land, but a volcanic erruption destroid it very quickly... and I think it fell into the sea... can't remember for sure. It's been years.

Unfortunately I cannot, for the life of me, remember the verses where I read about this. I will see if I can find them... maybe I'll post some links tomorrow if my search is successful. Keep in mind that even if I do find the verses it doesn't mean that they're talking about Atlantis.

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The problems with the Adam and Eve stories are legend and the story itself a myth. I'm sure you are aware of them.

The problems with trying to find scientific truth in the Bible is even harder.

Sorry no evidence for a whole-wide world destroying flood. Massive evidence for small regional floods at various time.

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Are you referring to Tyre and Sidon?

Ezekiel 26:19-21

"...when I shall bring up the deep upon thee (Tyre), and great waters shall cover thee. When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of the old time (Great Deluge?) and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit...I will make thee a terror and thou shalt be no more: though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again, said the Lord God."

Tyre and Sidon were of the land of Phoenicia. It is possible that some of the ships of Tarshish made it to the Americas in ancient times.
-Ezekiel 27:25


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So I love how our civilization says that to be knowledgable and have wisdom you have to disown God and the Bible.

I promise that over half of the comments made on this certain topic are untrue and ridiculous, having no Biblical nor logical value. It makes no sense to say you don't believe the Bible but then talk about things that aren't even in it to argue against it.

The problem is, like the story of Atlantis, most people have played a brain game of 'telephone'. You hear something against God, don't like religion anyway, and then it becomes sound doctrine. Some of you even started of your comment by saying "I heard somewhere...." What basis is that for anything?

Bottom line, I can PROVE the Bible's authority and God through science and history. That is correct, with the very things that humans pride themselves most on, science and knowledge of the world through history. I can take both of those and PROVE to anyone, be it a little kid or an athiest, that God is real and supreme, and the Bible has divine authority. Anyone interested in some knowledge or debate? Or would you rather live ignorantly? If you have have firm reasons on what you believe that is one thing, but to make decisions based on what others say and do, or just on how you feel is to err.

I believe you'd need to do that on the religion board.

If you can recast the question/challenge so that it deals with ancient or lost civilizations then please try again.

Originally posted by bobbywws
Bottom line, I can PROVE the Bible's authority and God through science and history. That is correct, with the very things that humans pride themselves most on, science and knowledge of the world through history. I can take both of those and PROVE to anyone, be it a little kid or an athiest, that God is real and supreme, and the Bible has divine authority.

The above statements PROVE that you have no concept of the actual meaning of the word PROOF.

Originally posted by bobbywws
Anyone interested in some knowledge...

Well, include me in that list.

Let me know if you ever plan to display any.

Harte

Hey Harte

I understand your fustration but you seem to be headed down the Marduk KW road! We wouldn't want to lose ya now!

Originally posted by lostinspace
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"...when I shall bring up the deep upon thee (Tyre), and great waters shall cover thee. When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of the old time (Great Deluge?) and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit...

...I will make thee a terror and thou shalt be no more: though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again, said the Lord God."

Sidon and Tyre, 2 seaports from since ancient days are still around...
but hace different names now... just go to a Map link & punch in the 2 cities under the nation Lebanon as the location.

i know you were trying to help the other poster out in their references to what they believed was a biblical mention of 'Atlantas'... & Tyre/Sidon sorta fit the bill.

but...what i want to point out is that the biblical condemnation to completely eradacate these cities was never accomplished... the 2 cities are still around...in contradiction to the word of the Lord which said as you quoted:
"...yet shalt thou never be found again..."
Now to me that is just One Example which nullifies the supposed 100% accuracy and veracity of scripture...


btw, the Hebrew flood story is supposedly plagerized from the Sumerian 'Gilgamesh' story, because those Sumerian clay tablets were of a much earlier origin ....a long time before the 12 tribes of israel started passing down their flood story by word of mouth.

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Thanks for noticing my post St Udio. I'm always interested in your replies, but in many cases I don't know what to say in return.

I think there is more to the Phoenician empire than we really know. Take for instance the map of the Phoenician colonies I found on a wikipedia article. The majority of the colonices are in Northern Africa and toward the Atlantic ocean. The article says that most of the Phoenicians migrated to these areas after Tyre and Sidon were decimated by Alexander the Great. I'm wondering if those colonies were already well established before that event. I'm pondering on the thought, that maybe the capital seat of Phoenicia was really in the Atlantic ocean. I would chance it to say that Greece and Phoenicia were both fighting for sea supremacy, hence the Atlantis/Athens conflict.

By the way the map is in German.
Yellow is Phoenicia and Red is Greece.

Colonies of Phoenicia and Greece

Phoenicia

The wikipedia article says this intriguing statement, "The question of the Phoenicians' origin persists."




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Originally posted by 3_Libras
Funnily enough, theres a thread now about scientists saying that a comet hit earth and destroyed life around 13,000 years ago. But I dunno, surely there would be some evidence of an "advanced race". Depends what you mean by advanced though. Its not out of the realm of possibility, but I dunno.

This is where a few 'spaceman' theories fall down, unless the ancients were incredibly diligent to the point of scouring the earth relentlessly there surely would be some cast iron evidence left behind. As it is all we have are tantilising clues and possibilities.

This is known in some circles as the

"drop cloth" culture

Before doing anything they put down a huge plastic sheet, did whatever they were going to do, picked up the drop cloth, incinerated it and everything in it and moved on.

Rather a sarcastic name but notable.

People leave traces. Unless these aliens were so alien as to not interface with the real world they would have left some trace. Would we find said trace? Probably, if you take the myths as facts then gods were crawling all over this planet for thousands of years and using all kinds of "technology" to do godly things.

Finds : nada

Some examples of human exploration:

Norse into the NA - hard proof

Columbus first voyage-assuming all text documentation had been destroyed would we know someone had gone their - yes

Lewis and Clark: some have detected their original camp sites

Portuguese investigations of the route to India - yes

etc

Another oddity is that they didn't seem to access earth's resources and didn't seem to have any concerns about biological contamination - either way.

They also seemed to be oddly human in their ways of thinking - the gods spent a great deal of time acting like spoiled humans.More weirdly they tended to have morals that reflected the cultures that "created" them.

Comments for Lostinspace

The Phoencians certainly had an overseas chain of colonies the greatest of which turned into Carthage. Would or could they have gone over the Atlantic? Possible but there is no evidence of it. Atlantis? I don't think so although Plato reports it as a bronze age culture it isn't a Phoencian culture.

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3_Libra is, I believe, referring to my thread from a bit back titled "Science Proving 'Global Flood Myth' true - Dating for Prehistoric Civilization Legitimized".

Here's the link.

It basically outlines that emerging scientific, peer-reviewed data is giving credence to the idea of a global flood that would have caused decimation of populations (and in turn evidence of thier existence) due to a massive comet that impacted over the N.A. ice shelf causing the end of the last Ice Age. In turn systematically altering, at the very least, the coastal regions of, if not the entire, planet - and most certainly its habitable regions.

Today 85% of the world's population resides in coastal areas --- towards the end of the last Ice Age the conditons were such that only a smaller portion of the planet would have been hospitable to civilization so it would reason that this is where prehistoric civs would be.

These are all places where UNDERWATER MEGALITHS are being found.

The theory of James Marusek's, a world-class expert in cometary impact, (see the thread for his impressive resume) was put forth 5 years before the evidence of a massive comet impacting the N.A. ice shelf came to light.

IMO, all bets are off for those like Hanslune who fall back on the derisive 'drop cloth' culture. There is now a scientific theory, proving out, that would explain how, and why, massive changes quickly occurred to global landmass, burying evidence of civilizations and cultures beneath 100's of feet of sand and sediment under the ocean floor, which is where we should be looking for them.

In parting I would like to say to those of us who are inclined to not[/] dismiss all evidence of prehistoric civilizations as anomolous, that you should USE THAT THEORY AND THAT THREAD when putting forward your arguments. The emerging evidence is scholarly, serious and the ramifications are vast (and Marusek himself chimes in towards the end).

Cheers!
TWISI

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