IQ and 911

Intelligence is not a fixed thing as it relies on the organisms ability to process information and can change due to environmental and physiological stresses check out this study on how to make your brain bigger. www.physorg.com...

so in a way your IQ can be grown or dwindled away Muscle and Physical Prowess still count the most on this planet and limit what we can accomplish with "mind." look at the greys no bulk all brian and tehnology.

P.S. I am an artist and scored off the charts on visual spatial but got less than a dolphin on memory skills as I never use my memory on an extended bases as i do with art. Its supply and demand in the human body.

Once you realize this its easy to see we are not governed by reason and never will be due to our hardwiring and instincts. A very interesting book on this is Anton Wilsons take on the 8-circuit model on human conciousness.

Originally posted by mrRviewer The real problem is we havnt yet squashed the enemy"s"

Dont you get it without the enemy"s" thier is no America most of our economy is based on killing the enemy thier extinction will soon be followed by the extinction of you and your neighbors jobs cause its all connected even if they dont work directly for the bad guys. or has my dolphin memory clouded my superior visual spatial skills. ha ha

Originally posted by priloco
A very interesting book on this is Anton Wilsons take on the 8-circuit model on human conciousness.

You are talking about "Prometheus Rising" right?

Great book, I've read that book like 5 times.

Yes and cosmic trigger I couldnt remember the name I think Leary started the idea or lilly then wilson took it and made it more funny and fun to read.

Originally posted by Conundrum04
I'm not sure if this topic goes against ATS policy or if it's been brought up in the past. But If you can't multiple 12x12 divide it by 2 then add 28 in your head, how can you figure out what's really going on in the world?
Common Sense is dead!!! God help us

Is the answer "100"? I had to chew on it for a few days before posting
my answer to ATS and potentially embarassing myself with the WRONG
answer!

reply to post by ClintK


Best post in the thread.

Everyone does things differently; people might add numbers in their heads whist people can create virtual visions of the 9/11 events in their heads without inputting a code matrix to get there. They can see and speculate the event visually in their heads like a computer multi-angle cam programme for example and do very good mental visuals but does not mean they added anything up to see it. Whist some people uses other methods of logic without the visuals or maybe they do but it’s too short to hold onto them. Some people describe what they see as a pattern or visual some people just use short splices to string it together. Either way both hold its own value of creative or logical out put.

Originally posted by nowayreally

Question though... Is it possible to have both inter and intra personal intelligence, I think so, but...?

Good question.

I think the ability to understand yourself and others, objectively, without being manipulated by outside influences, is key to being a complete intelligent human.

IMO, if you are an adult and have to rely on someone to tell you the sky is blue, then you're not the brightest bulb no matter how high your IQ is.

Originally posted by Conundrum04

Originally posted by nowayreally

Question though... Is it possible to have both inter and intra personal intelligence, I think so, but...?

Good question.

I think the ability to understand yourself and others, objectively, without being manipulated by outside influences, is key to being a complete intelligent human.

IMO, if you are an adult and have to rely on someone to tell you the sky is blue, then you're not the brightest bulb no matter how high your IQ is.

Thanks so much for your input! Its tough to function normally around others when you have a combo intra and inter personal intelligence, and can easily tell when other dont use these skills. As far as IQ and 911, it appears to me that it is more a matter of opinion based on evidence. I believe, personally, that the government was involved, and many other intelligent people disaggree with my assersion.

it's just difficult to hear claims made by those who I can easily see are neglecting information because they do not understand fellow members ideas, or are not knowledgeable enough about themselves that they dont see their own individual bias.

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I do believe the gov'ment is invovled, but for some reason people think there needs to be 1000's of people in on this and since nobody has come forward to leak gov'complicity, they come to the conclusion that it's not an inside job. I don't believe intelligence level has anything to do with forming that simplistic conclusion. IMO, I think it's lack of experience in the "real world".

People in America are so isolated, not just from the rest of the world but also isolated from their neighbors. In other words, Americans(in general) don't understand other people or cultures.

It takes a certain skill to be able to "feel" for another human being that is not related to you. If you cannot understand how a person may react under certain conditions, then you are not present and unaware of the world around you. Understanding how you and other people think opens up the floodgates to understanding how the world(in it's present form) works. You begin to understand how people lived and thought in the past because your ability to relate to other people draws you closer to the "truth". You're able to articulate the words someone spoke 200 years ago because you truly understand what that person was thinking.

Back to 9/11.

If you understand how people think you will understand that 1000's of people in the gov' was not needed to pull this off. All is needed is 1 person. One person to give the "green light". This one person goes into the "shadows"(secret folks who's whole lives are based on deception) and tells them what needs to be done. Now this one person isn't alone. He has many people behind him(PNAC/NWO) that wanted what happened on 9/11 but didn't want to take part of the "set up" because of their conscious.

Now these people in the shadows(you know, CIA Agents, Military black op types) oversee the entire operation. They hire outside intelligent agencies(Mossad) to actually pull off the operation. The reason why they hire outside agents is because Americans(in general) don't know how the real world works... If you do hire American ops to pull this off, there would be some type of leakage. Agents in other countries are not like American agents because they know whats at stake, they believe 100% in what they do. Since Americans believe that the world is their playground and Mickey Mouse is their savior, you cannot take the risk of hiring an american op to actually perform the operation on 9/11, way too risky.

IMHO, this 1 person is Dick Cheney. He is so evil that it's easy to come to the conclusion that he gave the "green light".




[edit on 28-8-2007 by Conundrum04]

Originally posted by Conundrum04
You are talking about "Prometheus Rising" right?

Great book, I've read that book like 5 times.

Good, because I just got it in the mail yesterday from Amazon and started reading it. Not that I really need confirmation by this point. Talk about synchronicity, though (even though I'm several days late ). Alan Watts is another good author for stuff that changes the way you see the world, but already this book seems a lot more immediately practical.

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Bsbray, nice to see that you are reading that book!

The book is intelligent, funny and at the same time an indepth intellectual satirization of how this currrent reality has taken its form.

"What the thinker thinks, the prover will prove"- Prometheus Rising.

Great quote from the beginning of that book. If you cannot think for yourself, how can you provide proof of that which you believe is actually true?

You can't!!!

The only thing an average human being can do nowadays is rely on what other people tell them. In other words, people need outside influnces to be told how to think. So if I make the argument to you that the "world is flat", and have my disciples mimic what I say, you just might be inclined to conclude that the world is indeed, flat.

We are influenced by fear and lust, and the powers that be, understand this psychology. It was first introduced with the first printing press and perfected hundreds of years later by W.R. Hearst.

It's pure evil when people manipulate others to see the world as they see it just for the benefit of THEM. We are now 100 + years since the propaganda(lie) machine made it's nocuous debut. The big LIE is way too big now. The big correction(balance) is going to be very ugly.

I have family members with high IQs and they are have no common sense. They are also lacking in social skills, they are rude and insensitive, and delight in their 'superior' brain function. Tare not very nice people
and have few friends (the friends they do have are just like them).

I prefer to think they are a little inferior.

Me? I'm just your average working mum/wife who likes to try and piece stuff together. I try to keep an open mind about eveything.

I have sussed the 911 thang and it was not difficult...my IQ did not help me...I did it all by myself with my miniscule capacity for logic.

It is a blatantly obvious to me

I think that you're way off base.

You're expressing a view that anyone who doesn't believe in the theory that 911 was an inside job is somehow stupid.

This is the same sort of reasoning that has led the democrates to defeat on so many occasions. If you don't believe what we believe then you must be stupid.

I have a difficult time believing that 911 was an inside job. I am a registered civil engineer and I find most of the evidence posted by the CT people to be at best weak and at the worst outright wacky.

BTW, my IQ is significantly higher than yours.

reply to post by Wildbob77


I think it's clear that you haven't read the whole thread.

Congats on having a higher IQ than me! You must be extremely proud of yourself. Now go make me a chicken pot pie you smart [snip] you! J/K.

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[edit on 28-8-2007 by elevatedone]

Originally posted by Wildbob77
I think that you're way off base.

You're expressing a view that anyone who doesn't believe in the theory that 911 was an inside job is somehow stupid.

This is the same sort of reasoning that has led the democrates to defeat on so many occasions. If you don't believe what we believe then you must be stupid.

I have a difficult time believing that 911 was an inside job. I am a registered civil engineer and I find most of the evidence posted by the CT people to be at best weak and at the worst outright wacky.

BTW, my IQ is significantly higher than yours.

Haha! This is funny- You claim to be upset eith the 'you dont believe then you must be stupid attitude', yet you end the post with my IQ is higher than yours! Thats an oxymoron of sorts. Plus, I dont think that that is what the poster was actally saying.

I mean no discrediting; you have your opinion, and own views on the matter, and hey, you just may be right. But, in my experiences with Conspiricy theories I have seen nothing but opinions and viewpoints coming from debunkers. No facts, or alternative theories. What I'd love to see is a debunker who can take all aspects of the 911 happenings that appear aray, and give a detailed, fact orientated 'theory' of their own as to why so many of these 'fishy' details exist.

And, to be honest, I have no idea what my IQ level is; but I do know that my insight level is much greater than many others, in so far as, I have the ability to accept what one may say, and look at it viably without getting upset or frustrated that it is 'different' than my own ideas. Like I said, you may very well be right, but my mind has not been at rest with this subject yet.

Are you calling me stupid? Just kidding..

I have issues with that because I burnt my short term memory out a long time ago, that and this person im debating with never wants to research so its hard for me to convince without cherry picking things.

Sorry if my last reply was a little snippy.

I don't believe that there is a connection between IQ and belief in the 911 conspiracy theory. There are people with high and low IQs on both sides of this fence.

I typically score pretty well on math and or logic tests yet when I’m typing, I don’t always hit the correct keys. (I will admit that my fine motor skills will never allow me to be a watch repair person) I realize that there are many aspects to intelligence other than what are typically tested on an IQ test.

The most obvious is the left brain right brain issue. You may be a genius with regard to music yet not be able to program a bubble up sort algorithm. So people may have different types of intelligence.

reply to post by Wildbob77



It's all good Wildbob.


Like I said earlier in this thread, I don't think intelligence level plays a role when trying to understand if 9/11 was a inside job or not. I'm leaning now towards experience in understanding the world combined with being completely objective.

Also, if you are a blind optimist or a self destructive pessimist, your objectivity can be greatly clouded.

P.S. The glass is half empty and half full at the same time.

[edit on 29-8-2007 by Conundrum04]

Originally posted by Conundrum04
reply to post by Wildbob77

 

It's all good Wildbob.

Like I said earlier in this thread, I don't think intelligence level plays a role when trying to understand if 9/11 was a inside job or not. I'm leaning now towards experience in understanding the world combined with being completely objective.

Also, if you are a blind optimist or a self destructive pessimist, your objectivity can be greatly clouded.

P.S. The glass is half empty and half full at the same time.

[edit on 29-8-2007 by Conundrum04]

Yeah, I meant to thank you too Wild Bob! I've had to retract some statements or two, here or there It's just that our concern and sincere emotion is behind our undying search to acknowledge accept, and understand all 'Truths' in life.

And agreed, Con04 (haha! great nick-name, ah? ) It is definitely both half full and half empty, and living harmoniously in existence.

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