Infrared Moon Images

Originally posted by zorgon

Hey Z

I need your Avatar for the website... the one with the Langley floor and the bottle of ejecta white...

Just emailed it to you

Zarni check out the new pages (not update land of legends mirror yet) The menu is redone but still have a lot of pages to add with new data. I will be doing that tomorrow Starting with Aristarchus then "The Secrets of Tsiolkovsky"


www.thelivingmoon.com...

The new layout looks great! ... Very well organized. I'll be spending some more time there soon

Originally posted by Tuning Spork
What evidence do you have that that photo was taken by a NASA probe?

Which photo are you referring to? If you mean the black and white Clementine one with the stars... I have no proof its from NASA... seems you have not been paying attention Clementine was a DoD/US NAVY spacecraft... and the images are from a Non NASA site, namely the Navy Clementine database.

And that one is part of a set that is going onto my atmosphere page and when done it will have ALL the appropriate links to the original sources as DO ALL MY PAGES

That one is a low res clip... I have the full size... as usual... you will just have to wait till I get caught up. Surely there is enough data for you on the last two pages...

:shk:

But hey seeing as you such a nice person and you are so interested... and you won't except anything that NASA doesn't have

Well just because....

In 1994, during its flight, the Clementine spacecraft returned images of the Moon. In addition to the geologic mapping cameras, the Clementine spacecraft also carried two Star Tracker cameras for navigation. These lightweight (0.3 kg) cameras kept the spacecraft on track by constantly observing the positions of stars, reminiscent of the age-old seafaring tradition of sextant/star navigation. These navigation cameras were also to take some spectacular wide angle images of the Moon.

In this picture the Moon is seen illuminated solely by light reflected from the Earth -- Earthsine! The bright glow on the lunar horizon is caused by light from the solar corona; the Sun is just behind the lunar limb. Caught in this image is the planet Venus at the top of the frame.

They have another one in the set very low res but hey you wanted NASA proof ... always happy to oblige

www.nasa.gov...

So it would seem what you though looked fake... isn't



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Okay. Accepting your NASA link as ligit (which I, of course, accept as legit), how could you, then, wonder if the photo is showing you either more or less than it's showing you?

The "glare" is the Sun's corona. The illuminated portion of the moon's surface is illuminated by "Earth-shine".

What, then, is so interesting about this photograph? You seem to think that the "glare" was/is caused by the existence of a lunar atmosphere.

Just asking: Do you really think that that's true?

Originally posted by Tuning Sporkhow could you, then, wonder if the photo is showing you either more or less than it's showing you?

Ummm Methinks thou be confused... the picture was present here with only one purpose STARS This image shows STARS when all NASA images do not... seems pretty obvious to me actually... says so in my caption as well

"The big bright thing is Venus... and though NASA never shows you, the Navy does show STARS "

:shk:

The "glare" is the Sun's corona. The illuminated portion of the moon's surface is illuminated by "Earth-shine".

What, then, is so interesting about this photograph? You seem to think that the "glare" was/is caused by the existence of a lunar atmosphere.

Just asking: Do you really think that that's true?

I have several more in the series... the glow off the atmosphere becomes more visible... but thats for the moon thread...

Are you asking me if I believe there is an atmosphere on the moon? The answer is yes... and so does NASA... the only point in question is how much.

I have asked the other skeptics in here to answer me one question about the Smart 1 crash... funny they suddenly went silent... I ask YOU to explain to me how the dust plume behaves as it does...

Its a simple question really... the probe impacted straight on, you can see the round flash as it hits... if there was a vacuum on the surface the dust would make a circular pattern and fall back quickly in a circle around the impact zone...

Yet the photos prove otherwise... each block is several kilometers. Why does the plume elongate in one direction then disperse in little clouds that spread over several kilometers...


Its easy to come in an knock what is shown... now its time to answer the question...


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"methinks thou be confused"
hehe
it's "methinks thou art confused" (err, is -ed a correct tense for old english?)

Anyway, wow Z, the site looks awesome! I notice something is missing, but no biggie.

Glad to see you are okay! Gave you a call to check up on ya, but got the proverbial answering machine. I don't like answering machines. They rarely produce results. Most people just turn them on and then never check for messages. lol






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I am reposting this image from the Russian lunar satellite Zond 3 of 1965 kindly posted several times by John.

Unfortunately I missed this on the previous postings so the first time I saw it was on this thread.
Although it is of poor quality I find it astonishing and deserves a better airing.
I have colorised the areas that look good to me just to give some idea of how dense the anomalies are and there are a lot of other "possibles" there I have not highlighted.
Now people this image needs to be downloaded and viewed in a decent viewer such as Paint shop pro and would probably be good to look at this image and then compare it with the unmarked original on this thread.
This is a good one for playing where's Wally.

Originally posted by undo
"methinks thou art confused"

I was think something else but it didn't look right..

Yeah there will be missing spots I still have to do final spell check and add content as I reordered some pages...

The trick is not to change things so all the old posts will be empty like happened the first time... makes it hard on those coming up the threads. I have enough space now so I can leave old ones alone

Sorry was in the pool when ya called forgot to call back trying to finish Aristarchus. Got some new data on the Blue Glowing gem...

More Russian Photos in this thread. I recommend the whole forum for pictures, there are interesting snaps


I was looking through images at the link absente posted and was going to use one of the images just to illustrate Aristrachus.

I am not sure of the original source of the image because I don't read Russian but I believe some of it has been edited.

You can of course see Aristarchus shining like a light house as you would expect, however there are acouple of areas that looked interesting to me.

They are highlighted in the image, the square area just north of dead centre I think is edited but still shows geometric shapes, the nearest crater is Crater Manilius, when I checked this area with the Clementine library as expected it is heavily washed out.

The second area, Crater Goclenius is what I call the doughnut craters they seem to have a high wall, again checking on the Clem library these craters have been heavily mauled, what was the interesting thing to me though was :

A. This is the area with the famous "block anomaly" north of the craters.

B. It also looks as if the editing in another part was not quite good enough and gave a hint of what was underneath.

I suppose what I am saying here is these two areas are very suspicious and I would love to see good unedited images of these, so 1234567 and absente there is another couple of targets for you.

i187.photobucket.com...

This is the Clementine Library image for Manilius.

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This is the Clementine Library image for Goclenius.

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Originally posted by sherpa
I suppose what I am saying here is these two areas are very suspicious and I would love to see good unedited images of these, so 1234567 and absente there is another couple of targets for you.

Hopefully we catch good weather conditions, if yes, we could have a pre-christmas present for us all

Originally posted by absente

Originally posted by sherpa
I suppose what I am saying here is these two areas are very suspicious and I would love to see good unedited images of these, so 1234567 and absente there is another couple of targets for you.

Hopefully we catch good weather conditions, if yes, we could have a pre-christmas present for us all

Hi absente,

There is an image in the link below on that Russian forum it's actually dated 23.02.2003 at the top of the page.

Would it be possible to ask him if he has a better copy maybe an original ?

I realise it was posted 5 years ago but it might be worth a try

The posters name is Arkady Vodyanik.


www.starlab.ru...

Hopefully we catch good weather conditions, if yes, we could have a pre-christmas present for us all

Simplest way is that we request to do a 120 to 180 image mosaic of the moon like Mike did.. You have seen the one Mike did with the 10 inch... If we did the same with this scope we really would have something... The clip of Aristarchus came from one of Mikes frames... He took 170 so they would overlap and show no joint lines

For those who have NOT seen Mike's image shame on you and go stand in the corner


Oh okay for all you couch potatoes here is the link... now remember this is the 80 % version...

So if we could do this with 10 inches imagine what we can do with the big one...

ALSO it would be a worthwhile project to present and we wouldn't have to mention anomalies at all but we would get every square inch of the moon








Okay time to bring on ARISTARCHUS PART FOUR

or is that five?

Originally posted by zorgon

Simplest way is that we request to do a 120 to 180 image mosaic of the moon like Mike did.. You have seen the one Mike did with the 10 inch... If we did the same with this scope we really would have something... The clip of Aristarchus came from one of Mikes frames... He took 170 so they would overlap and show no joint lines

We will do the same thing, but focus on the main targets. I don't know how much time will be needed to make a full moon picture with the 2m telescope. I will discuss the options at the end of this month, when I have my next appointment with Dr. Panov

The whole operation will be part of the Pegasus Project - but I (I am sure 1234567 too) want to have a name for the operation. We will think about it Don't like to name it just "Aristarchus 5"

Hi Zorgon,

Just a thought, why doesn't Mikes image have stars ?

Also thanks for the data on Guy Cramer, which I have got to admit bothers me a bit, if I am right about the areas I posted then I think Mr Cramers skills may already have come into play.

On comparing Mike's image with say the one I posted, Mikes shows no sign of any anomalies despite it being a better quality.

So has Hyperstealth Technology been deployed ?

What I do notice on Mike's image is a kind of haze over the entire surface except for a square hole over Aristarchus.

Originally posted by zorgon

Third possibility Camoflage... remember Guy Cramer with the Helium 3? Well hold that thought... and remember that name

Quite correct Dr. Joseph Resnick, Dr. Timothy R. O'Neill and Guy Cramer

Resnick is NASA connected hold several top secret patents and is quite famous, O'Neill I cannot find anything on and I told you all to remember Guy Cramer

First check out whats valuable on the Moon... Notice all those minerals are concentrated around Aristarcus and Copernicus

www.thelivingmoon.com...

Then have a look at who these three are and how they have held those rights for over 25 years

www.thelivingmoon.com...

Now then back to Guy Cramer...

He in partners with the other two, owns a Stealth tech company... their last big project was HARRP in Alaska... what is it they specialize in you ask?

Well the company name is HyperStealth Biotechnology Corp

Here is the HARRP project written by Guy Cramer


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I've pointed this out to several people on ATS for consideration as to the whole moon mining theory before. Even added the links to the living moon site so they could go check out the info. And explained that zorgon( hope the knee's feeling better) provides links to all his information posted. Nobody bothered and thier counter's were" no, I own the moon".
Even if you don't buy the whole theory, this has got to at least open your eyes to the fact that although some may not take it seriously, there are very highly placed, powerful people that do and maybe they know something that we don't.

Originally posted by GAOTU789
Even if you don't buy the whole theory, this has got to at least open your eyes to the fact that although some may not take it seriously, there are very highly placed, powerful people that do and maybe they know something that we don't.

Maybe they dont know as well, did that thought ever cross your mind?, hasnt the fact that there is not one scrap of verifiable evidence or even one decent in-focus photograph to prove the moon miners are right?.
All we are presented with are out of focus, blurry pictures with the most hilarious explanations to go with it.
Magnificent tales of wonder of Moon Mining, Soul Collectors, and someone even mentioned a car park, not to mention the riotously hilarious 'Fusion reactor'?
The most fantastic of engineering project suggestions from people with little or no engineering or scientific qualifications let alone any space credentials, all based on blurry images of bumpy moon geology.

Dont forget, there were a lot of highly placed, powerfull people who believed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. They were totally wrong, dont you think those 'highly placed powerfull people' might be wrong about the moon too?.

ARISTARCHUS PART FOUR Take 42

Is Aristarchus a Fusion Reactor?

Well without stopping by to look it will be hard to tell... but there is something we can do to demonstrate that it is an unusual power source...

Some time ago i order several papers from NASA and other government departments... documents prior to 1970 that are not available online or at the least hard to find... several of these deal with bases on farside but that is a work in progress and I am still waiting for two more key files under FOIA

But one such document is very pertinent to Aristarchus... it also shows to anyone who has doubts that the Cold War was merely a ruse to get money and power for both side, as von Braun said [manufactured enemy), that they truly were working with us on space issues (Read "Two Sides of the Moon" written by two Astronauts, a Russian and an American and there are also CIA and NASA documents that show this)

21 February 2007
Space Cooperation Highlights 200 Years of U.S.-Russia Relations

Washington – On the same day that NASA commemorated the 45th anniversary of John Glenn’s orbits of Earth in Friendship 7 in 1962, the U.S. Department of State celebrated 200 years of U.S.-Russian diplomatic relations with a February 20 program on U.S.-Russia cooperation in space.

USINFO.STATE.GOV

Why do I bring this up here? Well a lot of what we will present over the next few months involves the Russians and this paper involves Russian/NASA cooperation so we might as well set the ground rules early.

One other note... after Aristarchus I will be putting the rest of the data in the moon thread... to hard to follow too many threads

Back to Aristarchus...

This is a set of scans from the document; sections that are pertinent and to the point with highlight and comments




This is before JPL was under NASA



Title and Author





Okay here we see that we are looking at the wrong end of the spectrum, its NOT infrared we want, its ultraviolet...



Instruments and location...



This clip was mentioned in context with the luminosity and I have not yet tracked down a copy of the cited work. When I do you can bet i will be posting it in the "Atmosphere on the Moon' category. Here is an official NASA/JPL report written before censorship telling us about an atmosphere on the moon and that the night sky of the moon is illuminated!



Blue band of color... as we have observed in our photos..



First mention of the H and K spectrum... why this is important will be clear in a few minutes... but it states here "increases towards the ultraviolet"



Blue Violet ultraviolet compared to H and K...

Now look at the table below Readings on Sept 28 1955 show a normal of 0.0 in both H and K emissions from Aristarchus Crater, but look what happens on oct 4th 1955




Seems The Lights Were On on that day.....

Why is H and K important to us?

Continued next post... (need a coffee )


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Chorlton,

Here's an image taken by Clementine and posted on the USGS site as natural color (albedo).





What's that plume of fire ? Can you investigate this image and tell me what you think is there?




Also, please check this one out. Scrutinize if you could.

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Undo
Sorry mate no I cant tell you what they are. And more to the point is, that no one else here or even on earth can, see my point?
All that can be done is speculate, postulate, guess?
But the fact is that untill someone goes up there again and takes a closer look, no one is ever going to know, so the tall-tale tellers will go on spinning their tales of wonder.

ARISTARCHUS PART FIVE

The significance of the H and K Spectra to our studies of Aristarchus Crater...

H Spectrum



The photo above is the spectrum of a glass tube filled with hydrogen that is excited with a high voltage. It resembles a neon sign, except the glass is straight and filled with hydrogen gas and not neon.

The important features are the bright emission lines in the Hydrogen spectrum. There is one line in the visible red, the brightness one in the blue, the second from the right is in the violet range and the last in the ultra violet range, not visible to the human eye, but barely detectable with a digital camera. (Data collected from the Warren Wilson College Physics Department)

What is relevant in our look at Aristarchus is the intense emission in the blue to ultra violet end of the spectrum of Hydrogen plasma emissions. In the Russian/NASA document we see recorded evidence of strong and variable emissions in this H spectrum as well as the K. In the papers below we can see that the K spectrum emissions also are involved with ionized plasma...

"The explanation of the hydrogen spectrum is perhaps the most important test that any theory of electronic structure must pass. The wavelengths of the lines of the Balmer series (shown above) as well as other series in the spectrum of hydrogen are very well known indeed."

University of Kentucky

Seems Aristarchus Crater passes that test for "electronic structure" with flying colors




K Spectrum



Papers:

High-Resolution Measurement of the K Spectrum of Fe
New Spectral Diagnostics of Nonequilibrium Astrophysical Plasmas
by V. Decaux and P. Beirsdorfer et al
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory,
University of California, Livermore, CA 94551


This paper is organized as follows. In § 2, we describe the EBIT and review our experimental procedure. In § 3, we present our measured spectra and compare them to published predicted spectra for ionizing plasmas. In § 4, we discuss the effects of K-shell ionization and the consequent spectral dependence on the shape of the electron distribution.

Livermore Electron Beam Ion Trap (EBIT). The electron density in the EBIT is similar to the electron density of solar flares...

SOURCE

All the papers we find dealing with the K Spectrum are all heavy reading in Physics, but they talk about electron emissions, solar and cosmic radiation and Ionized Plasma. Combining these pieces shows us that Aristarchus definitely has emissions in both these spectra, and that the emissions are not always there, and that they have been recorded at different intensities.

Does this make Aristarchus a Fusion Reactor? We don't know, but the evidence certainly indicates something along those lines is going on. Time to start looking at the Moon with ultraviolet cameras...

One last piece of the puzzle... below is a Fusion Reactor that has proven successful at Sandia National Laboratory...

You will see the same electric blue emissions we see from Aristarchus...

"Z causes reactions to occur neither by confining low density plasmas in dimensionally huge magnetic fields, as do tokomaks, nor by focusing intense laser beams on or around a target, as in laser fusion, but simply through the application of huge pulses of electricity applied with very sophisticated timing. The pulse creates an intense magnetic field that crushes tungsten wires into a foam cylinder to produce X-rays. The X-ray energy, striking the surface of the target capsule embedded in the cylinder, produces a shock wave that compresses the deuterium within the capsule, fusing enough deuterium to produce neutrons."

Sandia National Labs

What is most interesting is the appearance and color of the reactor... This makes it quite conceivable that when the Aristarchus Reactor is off, you might not see anything unusual at all. Perhaps a closer look at those pictures that show it close up might show something inside



So what ever is going on at Aristarchus Crater it should be obvious by now that there is something very unusual about the Crater... and that NASA and Russian scientists have know this since the Fifties...

And despite people like Chorlton stating "all we show is fuzzy photos" I think that in the case of Aristarchus we have not only shown clear full color images from many sources, have provided documents from NASA and other sources, have shown the scientific data to back the observations and even have reports from amateur and professional astronomers and the Apollo 11 astronauts themselves...

Now within the confines of reasonable ability and with what is available, I believe we have met the burden of proof where Aristarchus is concerned. It is naturally up to the viewer to come to their own conclusions but in the light of this material to say "all we have is fuzzy pictures" seems a bit childish and merely shows how disturbing our evidence is to some.

I suggest we search for ultra-viloet images of the moon and see what 'develops". What those emissions mean or what there purpose is we can only guess at for now, but it is clear that this has been document officially since the fifties and is still going on today


Next Installment for the Moon Thread this Weekend (Jack is getting impatient )


THE SECRETS OF TSIOLKOVSKY


You think Aristarchus is interesting? You ain't seen nothing yet...

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Originally posted by sherpa
Hi Zorgon,

Just a thought, why doesn't Mikes image have stars ?

LOL same reason as NASA The picture of the full moon from Mike is a set of 170 images overlapped and pasted onto a black screen. Because of time exposesure the stars were big blobs and detracted from the image... You can see the stars on his other images he also has some nice shots of Saturn. I would love to help him get a bigger scope..

Also thanks for the data on Guy Cramer, which I have got to admit bothers me a bit, if I am right about the areas I posted then I think Mr Cramers skills may already have come into play.

That document and the rest about the other two SHOULD scare you... and everyone else too.. A high ranking NASA scientist and a Stealth tech company that hides buildings and has HARRP connections that own the mineral rights to the Moon for over 30 years now? Nope nothing to see here folkes, move along now...

What bothers me is the third guy... he is practically invisible

On comparing Mike's image with say the one I posted, Mikes shows no sign of any anomalies despite it being a better quality.

Older images show signs of stuff that wasn't edited... One reason is that we keep forgetting that it IS NOT NASA doing the editing... Its done by Air Force people at Langley under the direction of the NSA... these Airmen missed some... thats why we have that photo showing the walled structure I posted earlier. But that image is NOT found in most Apollo galleries and I wouldn't be surprised that it disappears as others already have. Just look at the missing image numbers in most image galleries... the films were sequential... there should be no missing numbers.

As to Mikes, have another look at Endymion

So has Hyperstealth Technology been deployed ?

Yes most certainly... and I have evidence that is part of the Tsiolkovsky presentation and the Lunar Base data which I am still working on... Your gonna LOVE this stuff... so far we have been tapping you on the shoulder... now I am going to swing the bat BTW we are also in contact with Guy and hope to get an interview... I already have permission to use his material on HARRP etc... this will be interesting

What I do notice on Mike's image is a kind of haze over the entire surface except for a square hole over Aristarchus.

This rectangular area with Aristarchus at one end is extremely interesting As you say the area surrounding is hazzy yet that area appears clear and a little distorted almost as if you were looking through a glass dome or a field of some kind. Even the luminescence of Aristarchus does not touch that area and the area is clearly visible in many photos. That will take more time to investigate