Infrared Moon Images

Originally posted by 1234567

What the heck is that BIG white circle on the bottom left of these images...?
John you say its a spacecraft. Alien ? Its seem to be HUGE...and in this its seems to have moved....or taken off !!!

I am sorry that I did not make myself clear. The white circle in the lower left of the pictures is part of the Zond Spacecraft that is taking the pictures.

just came across them ...

Рядом для сравнения снимок с американского зонда Lunar Orbiter.

On the left: Official NASA picture / on the right, a picture of a Russian amateur astronomer



More Russian Photos in this thread. I recommend the whole forum for pictures, there are interesting snaps

Yeah yeah I saw those but I was being conservative honest.

Now is this some kind of test ? you know where all this things are don't you ?

This is mad or I am, have I finally lost it, I am seeing way to much stuff down there, it's Picadilly Circus in the rush hour.

Someones gonna have to do some major spring cleaning that is if they haven't already done it.

I think your enjoying this.

excellent stuff guys. Oh im not sure if anyone has had a look at SMART-1 images of the moon, an ESA spacecraft that crashed there early this year.

smart-1 images

Peace.

Originally posted by 1234567
excellent stuff guys. Oh im not sure if anyone has had a look at SMART-1 images of the moon, an ESA spacecraft that crashed there early this year.

smart-1 images

Peace.

Hi 123,

They are interesting but can you get some Hi-Res images off them, you have credentials, I am particularly interested in Lomonosov Crater as you might imagine.

Originally posted by sherpa

Now is this some kind of test ? you know where all this things are don't you ?

No, and frankly I appreciate your help. I hadn't spotted those that you are pointing out.

This is mad or I am, have I finally lost it, I am seeing way to much stuff down there, it's Picadilly Circus in the rush hour.

I agree. It is an amazing photo.

I think your enjoying this.

Yes. I am enjoying finally getting some help.

By the way the black splotch in the lower right is Mare Orientale. This is where the electromagnetic vehicle that towed the moon into orbit grabbed on to the moon according to Norman Bergrun. Bergrun wrote "Ringmakers of Saturn" and he was the first to point out the spaceship in the rings of Saturn (from photos taken by Voyager 1 and 2). The spaceship was approximately 30,000 miles long and 2400 miles in diameter.

I am going to see Bergrun, who is a retired engineer from Lockheed Missiles and Space Co. at the BayAreaUFOExpo in San Jose in a few weeks.

John, I just heard the entire Interview the "UFOlogy Lowdown". I wondered about something, you have managed to stay alive through all this, when some other brave people like yourself were not so unfortunate and lost their lives. Has the grip been loosened to the point where the fear of consequences faced after blowing the whistle is no longer a concern?

Do you think I will ever get a chance to go to the moon, common civilian with only 2000$ to spend on a vacation?

John, I find it hard to believe that the "believers" have not spotted some of this stuff, I saw your early Apollo images at the beginning of your thread and frankly a lot of what people were seeing was, well I will be polite and say inconclusive.

But this, as bad as the quality is, has rocked my boat, the things down there are science fiction, what are they for, what are they made of, one even looks like a giant kids toy for crying out loud.

Norman Bergrun "Ringmakers of Saturn" for some reason that title I have always identified with an old science fiction novel and I haven't read any science fiction for about 20 years.

So what your saying is he knows a lot more than he should.

Have you spoken to him about it ? I presume thats why you are going to see him.

I am not going to post anymore on "I have seen this and I have seen that" in the zond image there is just way far to much going on, I havn't got a clue whats going on down there.

And by the way the first one I thought you missed is a far better Airport that the earlier farside picture and this must have been a wednesday, busyee !

Originally posted by sherpa

Norman Bergrun "Ringmakers of Saturn" for some reason that title I have always identified with an old science fiction novel and I haven't read any science fiction for about 20 years.

So what your saying is he knows a lot more than he should.

Have you spoken to him about it ? I presume thats why you are going to see him.

Yes, here is brief bio:

NORMAN BERGRUN

Executive. Personal: Born August 4, 1921; Son of Theodore

and Naomi Ruth Stemm Bergrun (both deceased); Married Claire

Michaelson; Father of Clark, Jay, Joan. Education:

B.S.M.E., Cornell University, 1943; L.L.B., LaSalle

University (Exten¬sion), 1955; Postgraduate Study, Stanford

University, 1947; Continuing Education, Foothill College,

1982. Military: Served in the United States Navy, 1944-46,

attaining the rank of Chief Specialist. Career: Executive,

Bergrun Companies (Research, Engineering, Construction,

Properties); Thermodynamicist, Douglas Aircraft Company, El

Segundo, 1943-44; Acro Research Scientist, NACA Ames

Laboratory, 1944-56; Lockheed Missile and Space Company, Van

Nuys (CA), Supervisor Flight Test 1956--68, Manager Flight

Test Analysis 1958-62, Manager Test Plans and Direction

1962-63, Manager Re-Entry Test Operations 1963-67, Staff

Scientist Satellite Systems Applications 1967-69; Director,

Management Information Systems, Nielsen Engineering and

Research, Mt. View, California. Organizational Member¬ships:

American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics,

Chairman San Francisco Section 1962, Regional Director 1963,

Associate Fellow; California Society of Professional

Engineers, State Director 1973-74 and 1979-83, Vice-

President, 1986. National Society of Professional Engineers,

National Director, 1975-76; California Space and Defense

Council, 1982; Co-founder and Acting Chairman of the Board,

California Professional Engineering Center, 1986.

Charter Member Aviation Hall of Fame. Community

Activities: Foreign-Student Host, International Center for

the Advancement of Management Education, Stanford

University, 1964-67; National Hearing on Noise Abatement

and Control, Washington, D.C., 1971; Steering Committee

Member for Representative Charles S. Gubser, 10th District

California, 83rd-93rd Congress, 1960-74; California Space

and Defense Council, 1982; Presi¬dential Task Force, 1982;

Television Public Service Announcement, Holiday Project,

1981. Religion: Stanford Memorial Chapel, Teaching

Assistant, Youth Program; Member Chapel Summer Choir, 1982;

Foothill Evening Chorale, 1980-86 inter¬denominational.

Honors and Awards: Engineer of the Year, California Society

of Professional Engineers, Penisula Chapter, 1978;

Appreciation for Sustained Con¬tributions Institute of

Aeronautics and Astronautics, 1972; Extraordinary Service

Award, National Management Association, 1968; Recognition of

Distinctive Service, Institute of Aerospace Sciences, 1962;

Appreciation for Contributions to First Polaris Launching,

Navy Department, 1960.

From Second Edition
Two Thousand Notable Americans


This is what a wrote about Norman Bergrun:

Norman Bergrun wrote “Ringmakers of Saturn” in which he proposes that the massive objects seen in the Voyager 1 & 2 images of the rings are EMV’s, electromagnetic magnetic vehicles making the rings of Saturn. Norman presents a very strong case using detailed enlargements of these craft, one of which is 30,000 miles long and 2,400 miles in diameter.

Bergruns credentials are impeccable having spent his entire career as an engineer with several of the large aerospace companies. He retired a few years ago after 20 years with Lockheed Missiles & Space Company.

Last summer I attended the Bay Area UFO Conference and went to see Norman who was at Stanford University Hospital recovering from a shoulder injury. He is 85 years old and very sharp and alert. We discussed many things and I asked him if he had any idea where the EMV, which he theorized placed the moon in its rotationally locked orbit around the earth, was. He told me that he thought it was on the farside of the moon.

When Zorgon and Undo began peeling the layers of encryption from the object in the crater Tsiolkovsky I saw what I believe is the EMV that placed the moon in orbit around the earth.

Norman has many sources of information made from a lifetime of associations with those involved in space exploration. I have no doubt that he had a very good source for his belief that the EMV that placed the moon in orbit around the earth was located.

If you have not read Bergrun’s “Ringmakers of Saturn” and understand the scientific research that went into his interpretation of the Voyager images it may be difficult for you to grasp the reality of those EMV vehicles.

But it is my opinion that Bergruns interpretation is accurate.

Here is the crater Tsiolkosky in which the EMV that I believe towed the moon into orbit is parked:

Those are serious credentials.

Ok, so how many EMV's in total ?

30,000 miles long and 2,400 miles in diameter I can't even comprehend a craft of that size, the materials and work invlolved, it begs the question who made it.

One was used for the Moon what were the others used for ?

I expected the rabbit hole to be deep when I stepped in but it gets deeper by the minute.

Hi absente,

Thanks for the link to the Russian forum they are indeed nice snaps, I will check the whole forum later.

Originally posted by sherpa
Hi absente,

Thanks for the link to the Russian forum they are indeed nice snaps, I will check the whole forum later.

yw, if you need some help with the language just write me a U2U.

1234567, i have an appointment with Kiril Panov tomorrow afternoon, he's the director of the NAO (the observatory we talked about). I will shortly post his answer after we finish the meeting.


urgend!

John, do you think we can make better images of the locations with this 2 meter telescope, then those in this thread? I need also the exact coordinates of the locations you want us to observe, because i assume he will ask me tomorrow. And of course any additional information about questions he might ask.

Greetings,

George

I can't give you Co-ordinates but John did say earlier in the thread he would be interested in the following:

Aristarchus
Endymion
Mare Crisium (preferably between 3 or 4 days old)
Petavius B
Mosting A

for starters.

Actually I think I can give you Co-ordinates,

Aristarchus Lat= 23.7 Long= 47.4

Endymion Lat = 53.9 Long= 303

Mare Crisium (preferably between 3 or 4 days old) Lat= 17 Long= 300.9

Petavius B Lat= -25.1 Long= 299.6

Mosting A Lat=-0.7 Long= 5.9

I hope there right info from clib.



[edit on 13-8-2007 by sherpa]

To John:

I'm new to your claim, I am listing to Art Bell show on youtube I got to say its crazy, but I would like to say that is kind of sinking on my brain, I will come back and ask you some question later on. I hpoe you respond.

Sincerly Shaggy

OY VEY!!! 12 pages already!!!!

Okay so I got a little catch up to do... before dropping the new data on your heads

Rumors of my demise have been greatly exageratted but I appreciate all the kind words... and phone calls Nice to know one is missed...

Back after I see where this thread went...

Originally posted by ChocoTaco369

Originally posted by Project_Silo
I don't see anything on the moon because I'm sane ,and there is simply nothing there to see.Cmon where are these photos lets see them.Wheres the undisputable evidence to prove im not excepting reality.......

Ooo! Ooo! I've seen this one before! Because I've been spoonfed

Only up to here so far... but I will throw this in...

All you jokesters who can see nothing unusual in any of the pictures...

How do you explain this one?

Welcome back, Z

Can't wait to have the new data dropped.

In reference to the Zond pic a few posts back, I found something a bit peculiar (in addition to all the other peculiar things)

This seems to be something covering the right side of this crater. This whole area looks strange.



location...

Originally posted by memoir
"China plans to survey 'every inch' of moon"
physorg
I imagine they'll get some false color and ir shots as well.

Not going to happen... NASA won't let it... already they are in Negotiation with the Chinese to help them pay for a Chinese space station in leu of dropping their moon mission.

Japan already dropped out due to "lack of funds" and India despite russia's help may be out of the running as well

Chinese space official to visit NASA chief

NASA Administrator Departs China After 'Rewarding' First Visit

Japan May Scrap Lunar Mission

Looks like India is only doing a satellite... with NASA's help
NASA Agrees To Cooperate With India On Lunar Mission

Get used to it

NOTHING happens without NASA involved NOTHING