Malaysian minister defends caning of prisoners as gruesome video appears on internet

Malaysian minister defends caning of prisoners as gruesome video appears on internet

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Strapped on a wooden frame, a prisoner braces himself for the brutal onslaught.

Within moments of the first blow being struck by the cane-wielding official, the skin on his buttocks breaks and the raw wound begins to open.

Lash after lash after lash follows until his flesh is reduced to a bloody mess. With each blow, the body flinches and there is a cry.

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[edit on 4-8-2007 by UM_Gazz]

As much as i am a law and order type of guy, I am really glad we have ceased such pratices in the west.

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if they are guilty they deserve it
and it shows to the rest of the wanna be criminals act like that and you get pain
unlike here in the west they get a slap on the wrist

Must just be me then. I dont believe in beating someone bloody no matter what thier crime.

[edit on 8/4/2007 by DarkStormCrow]

It's a barbaric practice that has somehow (mostly through the conservative branch)
managed to survive within some parts Islam and several of the countries in which the
government is influenced by it.


It is quite disgusting, and I honestly think it should be internationally illegal.

Originally posted by bodrul
if they are guilty they deserve it
and it shows to the rest of the wanna be criminals act like that and you get pain
unlike here in the west they get a slap on the wrist

One question for you: Are you human? Do you have human feelings? Because i thought to be human you have to be humane. Otherwise you're just an animal, a monster, a creature of darkness.

Doing time isn't a slap on the wrist.

To the officials and animals who think this is the correct sort of punishment and "they deserve it", How about you get a friend or someone,anyone to take a cain to you, and test out how the punishment it, before you agree to it's use on others, to see if it is actually punishment enough. Maybe it's not, and you might have to make it harsher, like perhaps stone throwing? or maybe just hang everyone who has commited a crime and get those criminals what they deserve... How about you try that on yourself first? Or perhaps you be the one to carry out the punishment too.... i'm sure you'd like that ya freakin sicko's!

One of the things that disturbs me about public corporal punishment not to mention public executions is that you give too much power to one human being over another. Also it becomes a way to terrorize the populace. ( I would rather have citizens be good citizens for reasons other than fear)
Some in these societies treat public punishments as a spectator sport.

In an ideal world, people would comply with laws because its the good thing to do. But this world is far from ideal and fear/punishment seems to be a very effective motivator towards keeping the majority from committing transgressions against one another. That being said, I do not agree with this form of punishment. We should be constantly working toward making this world the ideal place in dreams, instead of reverting back to barbaric torture.

Originally posted by DaRAGE
One question for you: Are you human? Do you have human feelings? Because i thought to be human you have to be humane. Otherwise you're just an animal, a monster, a creature of darkness.

Doing time isn't a slap on the wrist.

Animal? nope
last time i checked i was a human being unless your an animal

in the UK we have criminals and rapists who get off lightly and in most cases reoffend
atleast in these countries criminals get what they deserve,

and next time dont bother to reply to me if your going to throw insults

edit: do you have a criminal record and fear that you would be flogged if your recomitted?, just curious since you seem to jump to their defence

[edit on 5-8-2007 by bodrul]

We live in a violent world. Don’t think anyone will argue with that. I am not a believer in capital punishment but I also do not believe that jail is the deterrent that we would wish it to be. If it were, then prison numbers would be falling not increasing.

If the fear of flogging (and I do mean flogging) stops just one person from dealing drugs and inflicting abject misery and suffering on hundreds of others, then perhaps it is justified. People have a choice. If they don't want to be flogged then don't deal drugs etc.



[edit on 5/8/2007 by Lady of the Lake]

Originally posted by Lady of the Lake
If it were, then prison numbers would be falling not increasing.

Speaking purely for the case in America, the only reason the prison system has
so many people is because we make things crimes that should'nt be crimes and
create unfair sentences.

The only relevant number involving prisons, is the percent of the population in prison, not the numbers themselves. When you have a growing country, it is logical there will be a growing prison population.

Originally posted by ninthaxis
The only relevant number involving prisons, is the percent of the population in prison, not the numbers themselves. When you have a growing country, it is logical there will be a growing prison population.

Goes without saying but it does appear that percentages are going up in some countries greater than the ratio to population.

Originally posted by bodrul

edit: do you have a criminal record and fear that you would be flogged if your recomitted?, just curious since you seem to jump to their defence

[edit on 5-8-2007 by bodrul]

Actually no i dont have a criminal record thankyou very much.

However I do criminal background checks all day. It's my job. I know what people do. And i see what punishments they get. All i can say is that a world without extra violence would be a better world. You dont teach people to stop being violent by using violence. Would you beat up a girl? What gives you the right to beat up a guy? To beat up anyone.

You think a slap on the wrist? Maybe then harsher sentences such as longer time, would be better. and needed... and maybe you ned to go and protest for it. But sure as hell violence is not the way.

Originally posted by bodrul

edit: do you have a criminal record and fear that you would be flogged if your recomitted?, just curious since you seem to jump to their defence

[edit on 5-8-2007 by bodrul]

Actually no i dont have a criminal record thankyou very much.

However I do criminal background checks all day. It's my job. I know what people do. And i see what punishments they get. All i can say is that a world without extra violence would be a better world. You dont teach people to stop being violent by using violence. Would you beat up a girl? What gives you the right to beat up a guy? To beat up anyone.

You think a slap on the wrist? Maybe then harsher sentences such as longer time, would be better. and needed... and maybe you ned to go and protest for it. But sure as hell violence is not the way.

All I will say is this; if I knew I would be publicly executed or severely beaten for committing a crime then there is no way in hell I would even think about breaking the law.

while I dont agree with hacking peoples hands off for shoplifting it is also very obvious the jail, probation, "boot camp", forced community service, etc is not enough of a deterrent.

Originally posted by DaRAGE
You think a slap on the wrist? Maybe then harsher sentences such as longer time, would be better. and needed... and maybe you ned to go and protest for it. But sure as hell violence is not the way.

well thats what they get in the west

murders get 12-life years in prison yet let out within years
burglers given a few months behin bars
and so on

Criminals here get off lightly.

Originally posted by DaRAGE
You dont teach people to stop being violent by using violence. Would you beat up a girl? What gives you the right to beat up a guy? To beat up anyone.

No
then again if they are criminals then thats a diffrent story
if they used violence on others they deserve it back

[edit on 5-8-2007 by bodrul]

As long as its done for only serious crimes, then you know what go for it. If it helps keep crime down fine.

Originally posted by bodrul

Originally posted by DaRAGE
You think a slap on the wrist? Maybe then harsher sentences such as longer time, would be better. and needed... and maybe you ned to go and protest for it. But sure as hell violence is not the way.

well thats what they get in the west

murders get 12-life years in prison yet let out within years
burglers given a few months behin bars
and so on

Criminals here get off lightly.

Actually to be honest somehow I find it hard to see which is worse 12 years of your life just gone or the caning...

Mmm...I think in the long term the 12 years would be worse.

I'm Human and humane, but a convicted felon should get the punishment the penal system proscribes for a crime. I just wish America wasn't so touchy feely in these matters.

A death sentence should mean that. Not 20 years with endless appeals and then maybe you die from old age. This is exactly why the fear of a death sentence is not that great of a fear. Only states like Texas, that treat death penalties with seriousness, do deaths occur with the frequency that is needed to show criminals that the system does what it tells a convicted person.

There is amendment that forbids cruel or unusual punishment. Caning would probably fall under this as would just shocking a person without lethal consequences. Public punishment would probably now be found under the cruel part, not so much the unusual section, as it would be public embarrassment.

Problem is, the harder the punishment and more public the outcome of the crime, the crime rate starts to fall.

Now a liberal with come back with the DNA evidence that has set guilty men free. As a moderate conservative, I do agree with this as a problem. Our system is established, however, on the belief that 100 men should go free before an innocent man is found guilty. This is actually a much higher percentage of innocent men found guilty than the is found in real life. 1 guy on death row for 15 years then set free. Great story, sad fact is he was kept alive 15 years with a death sentence. Now, what about the thousands of others waiting for sentence completion.