UFO - NASA STS 114. undoubtedly the best, ice crystals? HA!!

A possible explanation?

Doc Brown and his 3rd generation DeLorean ... now with Tesla power pulled from the ionosphere and sealed for space travel!


Serious side, here is a site I got from a link here a bit ago, not only does it show it, but it is sped, zooms in, invert, emboss ... after seeing it, it really looks like a smooth curving motion, not a stop and turnaround.

also shows a lot of stuff from different STS's and more from this one ... debunks some and leaves other things unexplainable. One of the points they make is how the night shots from space will have an artificial snow ... sometimes they forget to put it, the inside shots never do, and the daytime shots rarely do ... and the snow is on top of the NASA symbol that is added. They are all or mostly GIFs made from VHS recordings from NASA select TV.

Look around and see: STS-114 anomoly

Why do we ALWAYS take for granted that UFOs are alien in origin? That's a mindset we've got to change. There exists about ten kinds of special-technology advanced aerospace platforms all incorporating antigravity technology in some form. All constructed, tested and regularly flown by black projects entrusted to well known aerospace companies like the Skunk Works of Lockheed Martin etc.

These so called 'alien' UFOs could be:

The Aurora SR 33-A.
Lockheed-Martin X-33A
Lockheed X-22A
Nautilus
TR3-B 'Astra"
Northrop anti gravity disc
TAW-50

I think 90% of the so called UFOs we see today in space and within the atmosphere are these craft flitting about. Purpose? Unknown.

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Cheers!

I hate to break it to you but it might be spce junk or even the dreaded ice crystals, the curve or 'turn' that you see is symply the earths gravity affecting the objects coarse!

Ah, divide and conquer at work.

Easy to say space junk for one of these STS videos, but get thee to Google vid or Youtube and watch the whole gamut of amazing "space junk" captured on the STS missions with UV and IR cameras specially fitted by the DoD. "Meteors" zip by in double formation, and change speed and direction. "Space junk" appears and lights up and falls into circular formations. "Satellites" gather speed and leave earth's atmosphere. "Ice crystals" miles wide swarm about NASA experiments and the MIR.

None of this would have reached us if it hadn't been captured on the sly by a geeky guy in Vancouver.

In fact there's so much "space junk," etc., yadda, yadda, zooming around out there in the UV and IR spectrum it's amazing our satellites, space station, and shuttles aren't regularly destroyed by wayward impacts.

Oh, wait a minute, there might be another reason...

All space junk is already in a orbital path, the earths gravity will not make such adjustments, look up orbital mechanics. I'd like to know why all of those other objects are so well illuminated with the sun on the other side of the earth? I'm sure thier must be an explanation.
You often see incredibly fast objects in these NASA vids, most will say they are meteors but meteors are dark objects until they enter the atmosphere and some are escaping the earths gravity.
It's a UFO, in other words I don't know what it is.

In fact there's so much "space junk," etc., yadda, yadda, zooming around out there in the UV and IR spectrum it's amazing our satellites, space station, and shuttles aren't regularly destroyed by wayward impacts.

While this footage can't be proven (!) natural or artificial, there's a little thing you forget - space is huge, very very huge. In fact, even the low orbit is that much space, that two "larger" objects actually hitting each other is the same probability as a car crash in the center of the sahara.
You can't truely estimate the size, speed or the distance, since mostly you ain't got no reference points/objects - even the "tether footage" is inconclusive regarding these points. Having no athmosphere makes it even more difficult to judge, since we are trained to watch objects in our environment.

Originally posted by squiz
All space junk is already in a orbital path, the earths gravity will not make such adjustments, look up orbital mechanics. I'd like to know why all of those other objects are so well illuminated with the sun on the other side of the earth? I'm sure thier must be an explanation.
You often see incredibly fast objects in these NASA vids, most will say they are meteors but meteors are dark objects until they enter the atmosphere and some are escaping the earths gravity.
It's a UFO, in other words I don't know what it is.

It can easily be dark on the ground in the nadir direction while the sun illuminates the orbiter. It happens twice an orbit, every orbit (entering and exiting the Earth's shadow), and my rough mental calcs are that it should last for several minutes each time.

[edit on 2-8-2007 by disownedsky]

Originally posted by disownedsky
It can easily be dark on the ground in the nadir direction while the sun illuminates the orbiter. It happens twice an orbit, every orbit (entering and exiting the Earth's shadow), and my rough mental calcs are that it should last for several minutes each time.
[edit on 2-8-2007 by disownedsky]

Yeah, your probably correct there, after seeing the sped up version in one of the links above those others appear to be debris floating near the shuttle.
It only adds mystery to the object though, it's obviously not behaving like the rest of the debris.

[edit on 2-8-2007 by squiz]

That last 'object' clearly reduces its speed to a halt, then moves backwards, against its original trajectory. That is very odd indeed.

This can only surely only mean 1 of 3 things:

1. Its man-made.
2. Its a fluke of nature.
3. Its ET-made.

Slightly "off" but at the sametime "on" topic.......

I thought id bring THIS one to your attention.

I actually got sent this via U2U, from an ATS member who captured it (Kudos to his missus' for actually capturing it). What makes this interesting is this Video is actually on NASA's own server,of which i could not access at this time... adds a degree of "WTF...thats actually REAL"????.

Here's the NASA link, if you can get it to work..copy N paste the URL
spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/video/shuttle/sts-115/net56/sts115_fd01_03_56.asf

The video is below... OBJECT is around the HALF WAY mark...which is 1.12mins on Youtube
And THIS is what he had to say about it..

I was told on several occaisions that this is the "Titanic" of ice-crystals! An ice-berg? Some say it is 100 foot on each side as the External tank is 154 foot long and 30 some-odd foot in diameter. Pause the video,,, work through it several times - the object pivots as it is passing between the orbiter and ET at 17,500MPH and 420,000 feet altitude. Notice the direction of travel compared to the ET an orbiter.

Even intelgurl says "it's perplexing"... she's a pretty smart lass when it comes to aerospace and military stuff. George Knapp and his folks in Vegas are having a look at it.

WTF!!!!!
Strange no?

Wow that video is cool. You can clearly see the object turning as the tank goes by.

As far as the OP video and the object in that vid. I dont think there would be a good reason for the object to slow down and take a sudden change in trajectory. The earth doesnt have an extremely large gravitational field in just one point that would cause the object to change course.
As far as an arced trajectory of "space junk" ... huh? That doesnt make sense either.

Originally posted by Postal76
Sorry, but this video is hardly convincing, in part due to its poor quality.

DOH!!! That's because its INFRARED footage... most of the NASA 'UFO' films are taken in INFRARED

If NASA sees UFOs zipping around all the time, they have done a great job keeping it from the public, so I don't see why they'd make it so easy to obtain this footage.

Yes they have but they show us them because skeptics like you have no problem believing that ICE CRYSTALS can slow down and change direction...

the ice crystal explanation is perfectly plausible. That could be the case here too, but it could also be space debris or satellites as someone else suggested.

Its all well and good to be a skeptic, but you have to at least know what your talking about so you don't look the fool. The thing stops and REVERSES... It does not turn... Not even a satellite or any KNOWN spacecraft of ours can perform such a maneuver.

What makes you think it is something of extraterrestrial origin let alone intelligently controlled?

I don't... I KNOW they are 'critters' and so does NASA and they are always recorded in IR because they are only rarely visible in natural light



Yeah I know you want proof.... don't worry its on its way....

Breaking News....

Wednesday, October 31, 2007
U.S. scientists unveil NASA’s secrets about cities on the Moon and microbes on Mars

The former manager of the Data and Photo Control Department at NASA’s Lunar Receiving Laboratory during the manned Apollo Lunar Program, Ken Johnston, has released quite a number of sensational statements recently in the USA. The specialist said that U.S. astronauts found ancient ruins of artificial origin and a previously unknown technology to control gravitation when then landed on the Moon. Astronauts took pictures of the objects that they found, but NASA ordered Johnston to destroy the images. Johnston did not follow the order. He said that the U.S. government had been keeping this information a secret for 40 years.

SOURCE

Originally posted by open mind
I hate to break it to you but it might be spce junk or even the dreaded ice crystals, the curve or 'turn' that you see is symply the earths gravity affecting the objects coarse!

You have just GOT to be kidding!!!



And I thought there was 'intelligent' life here

Originally posted by Alex Krycek
Ok well after page one I was afraid there would be noone in this thread other than the OMG THATS ITS THATS PROOF hardcore believers.

(I try to stay in the middle and as the first really well phrased point about skepticism goes, I too am always very skeptical, but also always purusing these boards and hoping there will someday be that ok, spaceship landed, little green men came out, said hi, everyone saw it, case-closed-aliens-exist-and-aren't-we-dumb-that-we-thought-all-that-space-and-we-were-the-only-ones moment).

When I first saw the object moving right to left, and stopping, I had a WOW moment, for real. It is quite bright, which to me indicated:

1.larger size or,
2. Possibly its own light source or
3. Its quite close to the camera, in which case if its close enough it would appear quite large even tho its quite small.

The problem is, by the end of the video I see the problem with believing this is anything other than ___ (I wont say that because the Op asked me not use that word :p) or other random debris.

Everyone is (rightly so) harping on the fact that it stops and changes direction. This is typically one of the best signs of something that has its own propulsion, and counters what the laws of physics would do to an uncontrolled object of debris.

HOWEVER

The problem with that is that the camera starts moving.

When this object is moving right to left at a good clip, the camera is still.
However the camera then starts to pan, slowly at first and then quickly, down and to the left.
It is at this time that the object in question starts 'slowing down', then 'stops' then starts 'moving' in (you guessed it) the exact opposite direction of the camera movement, up and right.
The movement is exactly parallel in speed, and exactly opposite in direction.

This makes sense, in that objects closer to the camera seem to move much faster in relation to movement of the camera, than would the far-away Earth.

Great find on this video, it had me rather excited for a moment(I too tend to prefer the alien ship in space clips, maybe because you seem to get sharper images in the thinner atmospheres, makes things look more real).

However for me this object is no longer totally unidentified. I don't know what kind of debris it is, but it's debris.

[edit on 1-8-2007 by Alex Krycek]

surely if its a result of panning,why this is the only object out of the many that behaves in this way?,It shows utterly different vectors to them..

And if you claim it is ultra close to camera,the panning you talk about would have removed the said object from the view of the camera very early on.

I was checking my threads and realised that this one had a dead link.

That is now reactified with added 'sped up' version

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Originally posted by Anomic of Nihilism
Hi there.

Just thought i'd bring this NASA UFO up for discussion.

I think i'll cry if i hear anyone mention "Ice Crystals" or "space debris". Any other SENSIBLE ideas are welcome

The video is 3.15 minutes long......
The Earth covers around 85% of the top portion of the screen.

I am guessing the stationary objects are satellites.

1.40 Mins---The 1st "object" in question appears from the LEFT field of view, following a straight path towards Earth

2.20 Mins---The MAIN object in question. Appears from the RIGHT, and follows a CURVED path towards Earth. To me that looks BLATENTLY intelligent.

All ideas welcome BUT NO "ice crystals".



Sped-Up version



And finaly, a 'Lightened' version.



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Cheers

AoN

[edit on 6-8-2008 by Anomic of Nihilism]

WTF!!!

I know all those links work, but they're all comming up as "now longer available.

Something's gone wrong in this thread man

Time to contact an understanding mod

Originally posted by Anomic of Nihilism
WTF!!!

I know all those links work, but they're all comming up as "now longer available.

Link works fine for me... I think sometimes it depends on usage and it goes off line for awhile

reply to post by Anomic of Nihilism


They all work fine for me. Whatever the problem was, it's all fixed now.

And I'm just re-confirming..

All links on this side too.. (Might want to check your current settings since we all seem to be able to view and see the videos/links).

BTW, nice links too, great footage too.. Definitely raises ones eyebrows..

JA

Originally posted by JohnnyAnonymous
And I'm just re-confirming..

;wow: your ALIVE...

Heard all these nasty rumors....

Now its obvious that is ice... and it turns around because of a blast from the shuttle engines... surely anyone can see that?

I mean many NASA videos show ice doing similar feats in space... changing direction, changing speed, all that good stuff...

And of course NASA astronauts have nothing better to do up there than pull out those hand held infrared cameras to film ice particles doing strange things... and zooming in on them...

Yup just ice... move along nothing to see here folkes