UFO - NASA STS 114. undoubtedly the best, ice crystals? HA!!

Actually I hadn't seen that footage from Columbia before, the things that were gadding about look organic, one looks like a jelly fish.
With that in mind it would not have surprised me to learn it was shot in the ocean but that would be just silly.
What kind of life could live in the cold vacuum of space ?

After more careful study of the video, I have decided that the objects are indeed the flying spirits of either a remote viewer or the soul of someone recently departed.

Prove me wrong, tinfoilers and skeptibunkers!

Unless your telling us the way objects in space SHOULD behave is radically different than the current understanding of physics..I'd like to know what book you study!

Seriously, is this scaring you? It's not 'space junk' that can change direction on its own..or a retrograded planet.

Its SOMETHING that has control & power of its own..otherwise show me how thats not the case?!?

Okay, get this: perspective matters. The object slowing down and changing direction proves nothing. Do you also think that the retrograde motion of the planets is caused by alien intelligence? I implore you to use your common sense as well.

[edit on 1-8-2007 by Postal76]

Here's some facts we know about space:

Space has no friction

An object in motion will continue on that vector..unless acted upon by an outside force or by its own power.

Its OBVIOUS (open your eyes) that the object in this video slow's down to a STOP, then changes direction and continues on a completely different path.

I think that eliminates space junk.


thank you

Originally posted by Rikhart
Anyone here saw those videos of hiper speed objects approaching the earth, then making several degree turns nearing entry into the atmosphere? Those were the most mind blowing vids I ever saw, cant remember where. This looks like floating junk.

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry
I think, you grossly misunderstood the motivation behind scepticism.

As seen here, even the hardcore sceptics "touch" it and if they can't find a good explanation, file it under "possibly the real thing"

Scepticism is just "wanting to know" instead of "wanting to believe".

Thank you. Ive been trying to get this point across on many forums for years, and is just doesn't seem to be taking. Maybe you can articulate it better.

Its OBVIOUS (open your eyes) that the object in this video slow's down to a STOP, then changes direction and continues on a completely different path.

No it doesnt stop, its just on a arcing trajectory, maybe affected by the earths gravity?

If you want to see direction changes, check the videos I posted.

Originally posted by Rikhart

Its OBVIOUS (open your eyes) that the object in this video slow's down to a STOP, then changes direction and continues on a completely different path.

No it doesnt stop, its just on a arcing trajectory, maybe affected by the earths gravity?

That would be the way I see it, too. It's moving away, not "slowing down," and continues on its curved path, falling down towards the Earth, or at least away from the moving shuttle. You can even see that it gets a little dimmer as it moves away from the camera. So that pretty much nullifies the notion of "intelligent guidance." And if you lose that, what do you have? Junk, debris, ghosts?

Originally posted by Postal76

Okay, get this: perspective matters. The object slowing down and changing direction proves nothing. Do you also think that the retrograde motion of the planets is caused by alien intelligence? I implore you to use your common sense as well.

[edit on 1-8-2007 by Postal76]

I didn’t know what retrograde motion was, but now thanks to you I do.
The answer to your question is no.

And I do try to use my common sense.......

can't take any of this footage seriously i really cant , and i want to see aliens/ufo i really do. but yet again official nasa footage is crap

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seeing this poor quality crap annoys me .. and yeah i know youtube re-encodes but u can tell this footage was poor quality to begin with.



[edit on 1-8-2007 by Quantum_Squirrel]

Ok well after page one I was afraid there would be noone in this thread other than the OMG THATS ITS THATS PROOF hardcore believers.

(I try to stay in the middle and as the first really well phrased point about skepticism goes, I too am always very skeptical, but also always purusing these boards and hoping there will someday be that ok, spaceship landed, little green men came out, said hi, everyone saw it, case-closed-aliens-exist-and-aren't-we-dumb-that-we-thought-all-that-space-and-we-were-the-only-ones moment).

When I first saw the object moving right to left, and stopping, I had a WOW moment, for real. It is quite bright, which to me indicated:

1.larger size or,
2. Possibly its own light source or
3. Its quite close to the camera, in which case if its close enough it would appear quite large even tho its quite small.

The problem is, by the end of the video I see the problem with believing this is anything other than ___ (I wont say that because the Op asked me not use that word :p) or other random debris.

Everyone is (rightly so) harping on the fact that it stops and changes direction. This is typically one of the best signs of something that has its own propulsion, and counters what the laws of physics would do to an uncontrolled object of debris.

HOWEVER

The problem with that is that the camera starts moving.

When this object is moving right to left at a good clip, the camera is still.
However the camera then starts to pan, slowly at first and then quickly, down and to the left.
It is at this time that the object in question starts 'slowing down', then 'stops' then starts 'moving' in (you guessed it) the exact opposite direction of the camera movement, up and right.
The movement is exactly parallel in speed, and exactly opposite in direction.

This makes sense, in that objects closer to the camera seem to move much faster in relation to movement of the camera, than would the far-away Earth.

Great find on this video, it had me rather excited for a moment(I too tend to prefer the alien ship in space clips, maybe because you seem to get sharper images in the thinner atmospheres, makes things look more real).

However for me this object is no longer totally unidentified. I don't know what kind of debris it is, but it's debris.

[edit on 1-8-2007 by Alex Krycek]

Something very interesting here. For the people who say space debris and or ice crystals, are u serious? I mean come on.

Interesting video but, unfortunately and as always, inconclusive.

The second object certainly looks as if it's following a path, indeed a curving trajectory seen edge on, but with the quality of the video, and the distances involved, it's impossible to tell what it is.

As a believer in ET existence, I'd love to be able to say with a confidence gleaned by the evidence of my own two eyes that the little light was an inteligently controlled craft, but I can't DARN it , and that's seriously frustrating. NASA seem happy to let these vids out onto the internet complete with nifty explanation that these pulsating and travelling blobs are simply junk and ice. And, to be fair, we can't argue with them as their explanation is entirely feasible.

Until one of these light sails blatantly up to the shuttle's camera, stops, and does something so obvious that there's no possible arguement that it's under inteligent control, then we're gonna have the same arguements time after time.

The only thing is, would NASA let it out into the public domain?

Originally posted by RandomThought
Something very interesting here. For the people who say space debris and or ice crystals, are u serious? I mean come on.

How can one possibly refute such a cogent and specific logical argument? Well done, sir. "Come on" we shall.

They are serious, they're claiming the earths gravity threw a tractor beam out and snared it. In essence thats what they're claiming in the above posts.

If this was even possible it why would'nt it fall straight down? It just does'nt make any sense an object would be even on this tradjectory its obviously just had its motion changed (somehow) and by billion to 1 chance the shuttle camera caught this bizare motion on camera?!?!

It spends way too much time at the top of the curve if thats what it was traveling on..which would mean its a flat topped curve!
And so I dont think its a parabolic trajectory we're seeing..

Secondly, if thats so why would the camera man deliberetly pan away from this event, surely it would be worth following the object..but no, they pan away as if trying to hide it ever happened.

Sorry not buying it. Not buying it at all.

[edit on 1-8-2007 by wildone106]

bit. You even quoted it yourself, lazy much?

Well, let's see......"Ufo - the greatest Story ever denied" gets 158 hits on ATS and that's the entire 90minute or so, not some scenes, which would probably get even more hits. And i am lazy ? sure, man You could also check the "secret nasa transmissions" which cover the same story.

Thank you. Ive been trying to get this point across on many forums for years, and is just doesn't seem to be taking. Maybe you can articulate it better.

Thanks, but i doubt, that i could articulate it any better. There's a good chance, we've met on other forums during the last years, since basically i'm also doing this some time now - and i'm happy for every single person, that at least thinks about it for him/herself instead of believing anything they've been told from the greers, ickes and hoaglands on this planet.

Could that cloud we see just before the object stops, be a maneuvering thruster? It might not be the camera moving, but the shuttle. The object could be getting pushed my the exhaust.

I did'nt see any cloud before it appears.
Further if it was a 'small' particle of dust or metal...how do you suppose it changes direction? And if you subscribe to the view that its the earths gravity snaring it..I think thats a gross exaggeration of how powerful it is..if thats true every time an astronaught goes out on a space walk he'd be getting tugged off his safety line by the EXTREME gravity of it..if you wanna go to that theory.

Just does'nt seem logical?

Originally posted by numb99
Could that cloud we see just before the object stops, be a maneuvering thruster? It might not be the camera moving, but the shuttle. The object could be getting pushed my the exhaust.

[edit on 1-8-2007 by wildone106]

What bothers me here is people saying that it might be a UFO. The object in the video is undoubtedly a UFO (Unidentified Flying Object)

Well I shouldn't have used the word stop. I don't think the object really stopped, just looked that relative to the shuttle.

Maybe....

The object first looks like it is move toward us, because it is moving a little faster. Then the thrust hits it and it decelerates to the same speed as the shuttle, thus appearing to stop. Then the trust causes it to decelerate to a slower speed then the shuttle, appearing to move backwards.

Just tossing that out there, I have no idea...

Yes the video is poor quality..And yes it could be junk...But I'm not ruling out intelligent life...And that doesn't have to be Aliens..I just think by the movement of some of the objects in space..That there is more to it than meets the eye..Very interesting...Referring to the space tourism....Surely people will be taking cameras and recorders with them..So you would expect people to see some ufos....If not then we know it's a myth...But i have a feeling that the more advanced technology we have access to...The better the evidence will become..We will see..