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Originally posted by uberarcanist
Yes, it's true American gov't corruption is at an apparent all-time high. Yes, it's true that there are both implicit and explicit calls for violent revolution on this forum and elsewhere.
For the love of God (or reason, take your pick), please don't do it!!!
Let's go back to the early 1900s. The Russians thought they were getting rid of their tyrants, but instead they went from the frying pan into the fire, setting the stage for 70 years of ultra-oppressive communism.
Is this really what we want for our country?
I guarantee you the War Czar would demand to be put into leadership, and would fight over it with some other lower level managment of the gov. While the US enters civil war, this would be the world
ASIA
With the US out of the way, Iraq is taken over by Iran and Saudi Arabia forms a pack in attempt to defend themselves (Sunni Shiite battles) Iran wins because it has a more powerful army (yes, it does). Israel is destroyed by Iran.
N Korea, not having any thing to worry about, invades S Korea, and Japan next (yes, they would, they hate the japs for ww2).
Russia, no longer in competition with the US, can go a few ways.
Scenario A is a revolution by southern Russia by white supremacist nazis south of Moscow. A Nazi Russia is created and wants its lost land from the USSR back.
Scenario B is that the Russian gov cracks down on revolutionaries, forms an Asian alliance with China and Iran (its already in this direction) and unites into an Asian Union. One that controls the Oil industry, and much more.
I'll go with scenario B, because even if Russia has a revolution, the Nazis are likely to join the Chinese and Iranians.
EUROPE
With the USA out of the picture, NATO collapses without its biggest fund giver. Many nations in Europe begin to decay without US support. England is in all out riot by Muslim extremists. France could go into riot if the Muslim extremists aren't removed, but because today they are paying them to leave, France will likely go on. Denmark collapses via Muslim revolution. Eastern Europe collapses into fire because the US isn't there to stop anything. The UN is likely to collapse due to world wide stresses and the UN building has obviously been moved out of the US. the EU is likely to stay together, but lose members.
AFRICA.
Without US and European support, disease will spread out of control and kill many. African members of the UN will be cut off from Europe when the UN collapses. And African Union is likely to form. One that will likely be in the south and focus on economic and civil unity and strength.
Without US and European pressure, Sudan is likely to go on with genocide, likely spreading into Chad and Ethiopia. Christian and Aboriginal populations are likely to seek refuge in the African Union (AU) and they are likely to cause population disturbances much like the illegal immigrant problem in the Ex-US.
Due to Arab take over in the North, Radicals will likely begin to come in and crush all non-Muslim populations.
AMERICA
Without the US, the North American Union likely in place by this time will collapse due to civil war. The Civil war in the US is likely to spread into Mexico where Conservative and Liberal battles will grow. Mexico is likely to go into civil war as well. Canada is likely to close off the border to the US, where displaced US citizens will seek refuge. Canada will likely have difficulty in keeping millions of displaces Americans from coming in.
Venezuelan is likely to go into a Police State and a revolution will likely follow against Hugo Chavez. Much of South America is likely to go into revolution without US support. Drug dealers will likely lose business in the US and use their money to cause revolutions further.
AUSTRALIA
Australia will likely close itself off from the world. It is likely to be harassed by the Chinese who will want one of he Last remaining "westernized" nations. Terrorism will likely spill over into Australia before the Chinese do.
So, this is what is likely to occur if the US goes into civil war. Now, I live here, and you can be guaranteed that I will join the revolution if they take our right to bare arms away. I don't care if I cause all the death and destruction around the world by helping the cause of freedom. I want my rights, and you know Americans are radical when it comes to rights.
So, hope the best to you Octavius Maximus. Because although you are likely to be the last to feel the stress of the US revolution, the effects will hit you soon enough.
Tiny things in completely separate parts of the world can cause massive problems world wide.
Originally posted by Conundrum04
My response is basically off the title. My bad. I just don't have the time to read through it all.
Violence, eventually, is not just an idea... it's inevitable.
Most people living in present times(especially the younger generation) are not familiar with violence. Most of the people that run the US have never saw any type of combat or played in a violent sport(like football). All this violence is in every aspect of our live(tv, movies, video games, etc.). But people are really disconnected from physical(intimate) reality.
The people in control of the US now are physical cowards. They don't fear physical harm because they never had to experience it. Lord Bush as governer of Texas oversaw more inmate's deaths than any other governor in the history of the US. And his one comment on a woman about to die, mocking her..."please don't kill me!"
Marches and protests are dead. THat's been dead since the 60's(jfk, mlk, malx, rfk, medgar evers, etc.)
The powers that be now HAVE NO FEAR WHATSOEVER. Checks and balances-DEAD! The constitution-DEAD!
Nothing wil get solved through non-violence, that has already been proven.
Originally posted by srsen
no other way besides violent revolution??
Thats a bit short sighted my friend.
there is ALWAYS another way. violence will never be the answer.
Its like fighting a master swordsman with a sword. Or trying to knock out Mike Tyson.
Fighting 'them' on their terms is very unwise - i truely hope people can work that out before the violence begins and it is too late
Originally posted by srsen
Its like fighting a master swordsman with a sword. Or trying to knock out Mike Tyson.
Fighting 'them' on their terms is very unwise - i truely hope people can work that out before the violence begins and it is too late
Originally posted by Conundrum04
I would like you to name one time in all of history that a revolution has not been violent. Just one, please.
It has NEVER, EVER happened.
Originally posted by Gorman91
Originally posted by Conundrum04
I would like you to name one time in all of history that a revolution has not been violent. Just one, please.
It has NEVER, EVER happened.
Ghandi? But for the US, violence is the only way.
Originally posted by samnx2
If you care about America, than vote and keep your congress and senate accountable...you must be involved with the process to make a difference.
America is still the best reguardless of its bad days, we have too much to be thankful for, much, much more than most. If you have lived overseas at all, you would realize this country, even with how things are, is still the best place to be.
Originally posted by Conundrum04
When will people wake the hell up?