Arab Princesses Kicked Off Plane After Refusing Seat Assignments

Originally posted by djohnsto77

Originally posted by Umbrax
It is pretty ridiculous that a flight is held up for three hours over seating arrangements. If they have customs that prohibits them from sitting next to strange men they should have made prior arrangements.

If late arrangements can't be made too bad for them.

Yes, didn't I say that?

Usually people are happy when others agree. Lots of people said that in this thread. Looks like we are going to be picking apart our posts paragraphs at a time.

What is even more ridiculous is using this news story to show how Muslims are trying to take over the world.

Who said that?

I already quoted your statement on how Muslims are globally pushing their customs.
I guess I should have used your direct words instead. I'll remember that from now on. I'm sure next I'll be said as putting words in your mouth. Allow me to rephrase.
What is even more ridiculous is using this news story to show how Islamic peoples trying to impose their religion.

Drop the hate.

Since when is criticizing bad behavior hate?

You went over the line of criticizing bad behavior (is bad behavior an ATS alternative news topic?) and used this article as an example of how Muslims are globally pushing their customs onto other people. You know, that context you are trying to create?
Seriously, how many of these threads have you started now?

Let's reverse the situation here. If those men did not want to be seated next to Middle Eastern women on an airplane, would that make this situation right?

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Let's reverse the situation here. If those men did not want to be seated next to Middle Eastern women on an airplane, would that make this situation right?

They'd be called racist ****s and there would be calls for their heads or other parts

Anyway i'm glad that BA eventually had the balls to chuck them off. It was obviously p*ssing a lot of people off, hence the cheering when they were thrown off. Everyone who travels with BA knows that if you're assigned a seat you bloody sit in it, don't start holding the plane up for 3 hours just because you don't like your seat.

As someone said before, BA is public transport. No matter who you are, if you are on a British Airways flight, you follow British Airways rules.

While this indicant can hardly be skewed as western propaganda because the situation was perfectly avoidable. In this case I think that it is more of a case of the culture of class and superiority which comes from a monarchy rather then radical Muslim extremism. Having said that we should all remember that western leaders including those in the US will come and go but extremist Muslim will remain the enemy for an long time yet.

Why pull punches? Why don't we have a war on extremist religion? Why should extreme Christianity and Zionists escape the wrath of the nouveau-righteous in the War on Terror? Why stop there, why not deem teaching about going to Hell to first graders as terrorism and then let all the accoutrements that go along with that buzz word fall at the feet of the Pope holed up in his Tora-Boraesque dwelling in Rome?

Why cant I declare a war on religion because I find every aspect of religion completely idiotic? Why can only the nouveau-righteous declare war on fundamental Islam? Where is the justice or even handedness of criticism? Oh but what about 9/11? Well, how many hundreds of thousands of people were killed by Christian missionaries over the ages?

I am SICK TO DEATH of hearing the one way criticism being hurled at Muslims for things that every other bloody religion do in the own perverted way! I can accept religion and allow it its place in the unenlightened mind but what I can't tolerate is one religion getting smashed in all forms of media by hypocritical cattle from other ranches! GIVE IT A REST!

Originally posted by djohnsto77


I'm glad they got kicked off. If these princesses were so concerned about this, why didn't they arrange their own chartered flight, or at least buy empty seats next to themselves?

www.dailymail.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

thefatlady replies:

Oh Come On! It's their religion!

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Let's reverse the situation here. If those men did not want to be seated next to Middle Eastern women on an airplane, would that make this situation right?

Could not have put it any better.

Why the need for a 3 hour delay? If it had been 3 men I am certain that police officers would have been called for immediately, the men escorted off the plane and criminal proceedings started. 1 hour delay max.

Why pander to these people?

Originally posted by niteboy82
But I don't see articles saying "White Dude Doesn't Get To Fly, After Sitting Next To Smelly Lady."

I fail to see how that in anyway relates to the topic being discussed. If someone else was making these ladies uncomfortable through any type harrasment or smell then you are compromising the rights of the passenger. These women just refused because they didn't want to sit next to a man. That would their problem to deal with not the airlines or the other passengers.

Originally posted by niteboy82
Of course, *sigh*, there was a need to make sure everyone knew they were Arab princesses, with the latest propaganda war on the subject. :shk:

I think the emphasis was placed on Arab Princess, not just Arab but if that is how you choose to see it, thats Having delt with a Saudi Princess before I can tell you that she felt entitled to everything and treated others as nothings, I wonder if that is why everyone cheered when they got off the plane.


[edit on 30-7-2007 by kleverone]

Why is it always because of religion?

When is science and reasoning going to kick in?

Interesting how threads like this bring out the best in everyone. If you read the original article in the Daily Mail, it says the same...

Arab princesses kicked off British Airways plane to jeers and whistles after refusing to sit next to male strangers

...but then goes on to say..."After passengers had fastened their seat-belts and the plane had taxied on to the runway, two male passengers in the entourage got up to protest about where the women were sitting. "


So, then, the men made the fuss...which kinda takes the heat off of the 'arab princess'. Still, I do think that posts like this are presented rather gleefully as proof that those 'wogs' deserve what they're getting. 'Disingenuous', I believe is the word...

Post something like "Muslim group assists Canadian Vets"
www.abovetopsecret.com...' and it doesn't cause a ripple. Be nice, folks...some of those red necks aren't as covered up as you might think.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
These stories are notable because they are not random occurrences, but rather take place in context of emerging global patterns of Islamic peoples trying to impose their religion, customs and societal beliefs on others.

[edit on 7/29/2007 by djohnsto77]

damn right!

Originally posted by redmage


First, I asked for recent information, not 3 years old.

Oh, dear lord!

Lets see I am seated on an airplane flight next to 3 Moslem Women.
Now according to thier religious and or cultural belief they should not be sitting next to a male that is not a member of thier family. I think I could change seats with a female or child on the flight in order to be sensitive and polite. I find this no different than moving to a single seat on a bus so that a couple can sit down together or standing up on the bus to let someone elderly, handicapped. or female sit down.
Politeness goes a long way. Of course I am a old fashioned southern redneck so what do I know.

[edit on 7/30/2007 by DarkStormCrow]

Why should we,western civilization, have to conform to their way of life. If they have such a problem with abiding by the rules of the airline, they should try and find an all Muslim flight airliner to fly on. Good luck with that one!!

quoted by Johnny Canuck Be nice, folks...some of those red necks aren't as covered up as you might think.

Originally posted by DarkStormCrow Politeness goes a long way. Of course I am a old fashoined southern redneck so what do I know.

Dang, Crow...you got me fair and square! My apologies...and the thought came to mind as I posted that line, that I was surely doing somebody a disservice. I'll eliminate the word from my vocabulary.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Let's reverse the situation here. If those men did not want to be seated next to Middle Eastern women on an airplane, would that make this situation right?

The biggest differnce would have been that when the men were escorted off three hours later they would have been arrested.

Originally posted by subz
Why pull punches? Why don't we have a war on extremist religion? Why should extreme Christianity and Zionists escape the wrath of the nouveau-righteous in the War on Terror? Why stop there, why not deem teaching about going to Hell to first graders as terrorism and then let all the accoutrements that go along with that buzz word fall at the feet of the Pope holed up in his Tora-Boraesque dwelling in Rome?

Why cant I declare a war on religion because I find every aspect of religion completely idiotic? Why can only the nouveau-righteous declare war on fundamental Islam? Where is the justice or even handedness of criticism? Oh but what about 9/11? Well, how many hundreds of thousands of people were killed by Christian missionaries over the ages?

I am SICK TO DEATH of hearing the one way criticism being hurled at Muslims for things that every other bloody religion do in the own perverted way! I can accept religion and allow it its place in the unenlightened mind but what I can't tolerate is one religion getting smashed in all forms of media by hypocritical cattle from other ranches! GIVE IT A REST!

Wasn't that a bit of a leap ? No one was discussing 9-11, or war on extremist religion or even the Pope. The only thing being discussed was the three Princesses expecting preferential treatment based on their religion.

As has been pointed out on several previous threads, if this was that critical to them, other arrangments should have been made prior the departure time. There were certainy numerous ways to avoid the last minute disruption and delay of the flight.

I think you have taken a pretty straight forward issue and blown it way out of proportion with your stretching for your hypotheticals.

[edit on 30-7-2007 by duster]

Originally posted by DarkStormCrow
I think I could change seats with a female or child on the flight in order to be sensitive and polite. I find this no different than moving to a single seat on a bus so that a couple can sit down together or standing up on the bus to let someone elderly, handicapped. or female sit down.
Politeness goes a long way. [edit on 7/30/2007 by DarkStormCrow]

I do agree with you that politeness does go along way, however it is a two way street and expecting others to move for you stops it dead in its tracks. Do you really think that everyone on that plane was just completey rude, so much that they would clap when the ladies were removed from the plane? Do you think these people treated the other passengers like the commoners they are percieved as or do you think they politely asked others to move? Let common sense do the work.

At this point though it is all speculative, innocent until proven to be an ass

[edit on 30-7-2007 by kleverone]

Originally posted by DarkStormCrow
Lets see I am seated on an airplane flight next to 3 Moslem Women.
Now according to thier religious and or cultural belief they should not be sitting next to a male that is not a member of thier family. I think I could change seats with a female or child on the flight in order to be sensitive and polite. I find this no different than moving to a single seat on a bus so that a couple can sit down together or standing up on the bus to let someone elderly, handicapped. or female sit down.
Politeness goes a long way. Of course I am a old fashioned southern redneck so what do I know.

[edit on 7/30/2007 by DarkStormCrow]

I think you are missing the point. If this was of vital importance to them then they should have made arragements prior to the flight instead of arguing for three hours after they had boarded.

I know if I had been sitting on that runway for three hours I would have ben pi$$ed. I suggest you also may not have been quite so understanding if you had been sitting there that long either.