World owes U.S. a debt, says Brown

Originally posted by Nextstep
though, and need to deal with the situations of today....agree?

Beating the same issues to death on the internet isn't really dealing with anything.

Figures such as 60 countries invaded get thrown about fairly casually,

What I am asking for is a list of List of US Military interventions since 1945 that are not part of a UN resolution or an Invitation by a foriegn government. The list should not include the use of US Forces to evacuate US civilians or foriegn civilians from theat or harm. the List should also not include US Forces deployed as peacekeepers or Emergency aid workers.

RetinoidReceptor, I checked all this material out about two years ago, I don't keep links of everything (hardly anything really) but will try to locate it for you, then post. I check all my sources though, am a skeptic at heart, but also a historian and don't just blurb out things which I do not believe to be true.

In the meantime, search around for more info (and not your school textbooks) regarding the history of the Treaty of Independence, but then concerning the deal made with the British. Why do you think most Presidential families are related to the Queen in some form?

Also, the queen follows strict travelling agendas, and trips to the Commonwealth as you state it are planned and announced far in advance. This was an unplanned, sudden trip. I am not making any conclusions, but it is coincidental that this happened at the moment that the Chinese were making these threats....wouldn't you say?

I did not bring the Chinese political situation regarding Darfur into the picture because I was merely 'highlighting' examples, I did not intend to start discussion into each individual situation (as this warrants its own threads). You do make valid point though, point taken.

I am also not here to rub anyone up the wrong way, there is a lot of info out there if you know where to look (and most of you know which are trash and which are not) and by bringing this to light, one can enjoy further discussion information...which is my only reason for joining this site.

Also I believe that there is a difference between a govt and its people, and they should not be seen as one and the same...

DarkStormCrow, before you get me doing your homework for you, maybe you want to study 'WHO' set up the UN, and their relation to present people in power in the US. Then you may not ask this question.

I admire your persistence to seeing proof though, although I do not segregate any invasion of some other country's soil into different categories. I believe the total to date was 63 by the way, if my memory serves me right. I will try to find the information for you and post once I dig it up again.

Isn't peacekeeping what is happening now in Iraq?

Originally posted by Nextstep
Why do you think most Presidential families are related to the Queen in some form?

I don't know of most being related. I've heard there were some, but those sources...were...questionable. If presidents are somehow related to royal families, I would reckon it to be networking. It is kind of like...why are there so many presidents in secret societies? Not because of some malign plot, but more so because of networking.

Also, the queen follows strict travelling agendas, and trips to the Commonwealth as you state it are planned and announced far in advance. This was an unplanned, sudden trip. I am not making any conclusions, but it is coincidental that this happened at the moment that the Chinese were making these threats....wouldn't you say?

I always watch the news and read the BBC and have not read the Queen made a sudden trip to Canada so I don't know. I also haven't read about a Chinese Illumaniti making threats against the Queen (except on this crazy site written by a crazy man who said they were mad that the white Illumaniti were trying to engineer viruses to kill other ethnic groups). Please don't tell me that is where you are getting your information from...

RetonoidReceptor, Youhave your opinion, I will have mine. You speak of bringing value to the conversation, all you have done is question others comments rather than bringing something yourself. This way discussions do go on forever.

Additionally, I have brought new information to the thread for peopel to discuss, check themselves, prove or disprove, but if you are so skeptic as to disbelieve everything I post, then show me proof supporting the opposite. I will gladly admit to any faults if I am wrong. Can you do the same?

And answer my previous question?

Originally posted by UM_Gazz

Then send them a share of the hundreds of billions of dollars in contract debts, signed by the U.S. to private companies, and security firms who operate with impunity and immunity within these war zones.

In other words, since this administration and its corporate buddies have drained the U.S. treasury, but still has not satiated its greed...it wants to tap into the treasuries of other countries next.

Originally posted by Nextstep
And answer my previous question?

You are asking me to disregard the text books--basically any official research or news sources and just google something.

Of course I will find something. I can find something about Queen Elizabeth being a reptillian on the internet too...but so what?

You are telling me I should go and research stuff. Where would you suggest? You said not in the text books, you probably don't like official news stations such as the BBC, CNN, etc. (because they aren't talking about the Chinese Illumaniti and we all know there is one...right?).

So what do you want from me? I mean really.

Originally posted by Nextstep
DarkStormCrow, before you get me doing your homework for you, maybe you want to study 'WHO' set up the UN, and their relation to present people in power in the US. Then you may not ask this question.

I admire your persistence to seeing proof though, although I do not segregate any invasion of some other country's soil into different categories. I believe the total to date was 63 by the way, if my memory serves me right. I will try to find the information for you and post once I dig it up again.

Isn't peacekeeping what is happening now in Iraq?

I can do the homework, but 60+ invasions are what you are saying. I am well aware of how and why the UN was formed.
the Iraq situation is a counter-insurgency war. Of course we could just use the events listed in the Wikipedia.

List of United States military history events

What constitutes an Invasion?

When you ask a question I answer it, when I ask you one you drift around it. You haven't answered any questions in my previous thread now either. If I don't give you exactly what you want you complain some more. The reason I answered the way I did is because of the way you communicate with me.

I don't mind a good discussion but your methods of discussion are exactly what you are are saying I shouldn't be doing.

Communicate differently with me and you might find my replies more informative, as I don't feel obliged to help those that are not willing to contribute but spend time denegrating the time and energy others put into this.

All personal issues aside, I have been trying to find the links for you, have you been busy as well? And are you going to answer my questions now? Let's stay on thread and contributory.

DarkStormCrow, An invasion is the:

infringement by intrusion. (one example in the dictionary, could you not have looked this up yourself?)

What does that mean? Let's turn it around. When another country sends any part of its military force onto US soil, without permission, what do you think would be a legitimate response? This is a fairly simple answer. Now what if the US was to do that to another country? Are they right to be upset? Is everything in the world meant to be only for the US best interests? Maybe the US owes the world a debt (just to stay on thread) for these invasions, for the financial bankruptcy via the IMF of many governments (and the REAL people that suffer as a result), for the investment in war instead of being a humble leader out for the good of mankind as a whole.

Honest answers please, we are both here to learn more, rather than be right or wrong.

Originally posted by Nextstep
All personal issues aside, I have been trying to find the links for you, have you been busy as well? And are you going to answer my questions now? Let's stay on thread and contributory.

Listen...you will not find links that I or most people on here would accept. You cannot prove that the Queen left Britain suddenly to escape from the Chinese Illumaniti, you can't prove that the Illumaniti exists (Chinese or not), you can't prove that US laws are copyrighted in Canada and is headed by the Queen, you cannot even seem to prove that the Queen went to Canada unannounced or that MOST US presidents are related to the Queen. You won't be able to prove it, and some links to websites that are just talking bs won't convince me.

What did you want me to research? That the declaration of independence makes us still connected to the queen? I've read it...have you? It breaks the ties to British royalty.

Sorry to be frank, but it is just aggravating to speak to naive people on here most of the time thinking they know about all the secrets in the world because some guy or girl posts something on a blog.

Good luck with everything!

Regarding Retinoid Receptor

Originally posted by Nextstep
When you ask a question I answer it, when I ask you one you drift around it. You haven't answered any questions in my previous thread now either. If I don't give you exactly what you want you complain some more. The reason I answered the way I did is because of the way you communicate with me.

Communicate differently with me and you might find my replies more informative, as I don't feel obliged to help those that are not willing to contribute but spend time denegrating the time and energy others put into this. Let's stay on thread and contributory.

Next Step, do yourself a favor. Avoid RR and his ramblings. I have had a go round with him/it and it will get you nowhere. He just likes to stir up the pot and NEVER, I repeat NEVER has a valid basis or links for his arguments. Learn from me...it's a waste of time.

your pal......kk

[edit on 30-7-2007 by kinda kurious]

Originally posted by kinda kurious
Regarding Retinoid Recptor

Next Step, do yourself a favor. Avoid RR and his ramblings. I have had a go round with him/it and it will get you nowhere. He just likes to stir up the pot and NEVER, I repeat NEVER has a valid basis or links for his arguments. Learn from me...it's a waste of time.

your pal......kk

This was unnecessary to post. Please refrain from this in the future.

Originally posted by Nextstep
DarkStormCrow, An invasion is the:

infringement by intrusion. (one example in the dictionary, could you not have looked this up yourself?)

What does that mean? Let's turn it around. When another country sends any part of its military force onto US soil, without permission, what do you think would be a legitimate response? This is a fairly simple answer. Now what if the US was to do that to another country? Are they right to be upset? Is everything in the world meant to be only for the US best interests? Maybe the US owes the world a debt (just to stay on thread) for these invasions, for the financial bankruptcy via the IMF of many governments (and the REAL people that suffer as a result), for the investment in war instead of being a humble leader out for the good of mankind as a whole.

Honest answers please, we are both here to learn more, rather than be right or wrong.

So any entry of US forces onto another countries soil uninvited would be an invasion by the infringement by intrusion definition?

By that definition anytime the US evacuates its citizens from a country that is in chaos it is an invasion.
By that definition the entry of US forces into a country to to provide humanitarian relief is an invasion.


When the US provided Peacekeeping troops for Lebanon in the early 80s and secured the airport for relief supplies was that an invasion?

When the US evacuated its citizens and citizens of other countries from Liberia in 1996 was that an invasion?

Are US troops in Macedonia that are deployed as peacekeepers invaders?

When the Saudi and Kuwaiti governments asked for US help in 1990 was the deployment of US troops there an invasion?



Of course we could look at other definitions for invasion invasion


I cite the above examples because they are cited as invasions by the US detractors.

kk, I have read some of your posts earlier, and like your style and arguments. Thanks for your advice, I will take it heartily.

Let's get back onto the subject, anyone else have any opinions? Does the world owe the US a debt?

How nice.... remember the peace dividends we never got?

I take my share of the world's debt to me as an American in large Euros deposited in a Swiss bank account in my name thank you very much.

Originally posted by intrepid
This was unnecessary to post. Please refrain from this in the future.

OK, duly noted. I will keep that in mind going forward.

Originally posted by Nextstep
kk, I have read some of your posts earlier, and like your style and arguments. Thanks for your advice, I will take it heartily.

Thanks, that made my day. I was just trying to help a brother out. (And save bandwidth.)

Originally posted by johnsky
Woah there, no they don't deserve to be nuked. Nobody does.

Oh gosh, not even these folks? I thought they "deserved" it.

www.gensuikin.org...

Now let's compare the casualties from Pearl Harbor which "justified" nuking the Japanese.

Pearl Harbor Deaths = 2,117

Source: www.worldwar2history.info...

Japanese Deaths from A Bomb = 103,000

Source: www.uic.com.au...

Remember, we are the only ones on the planet who have used nuclear weapons.

No one else is allowed! Owe us indeed.

regards....kk

Shame on mr Brown. The whole terrorism affair is about military contracts. There are tremendous amounts of money spent on armies, weapons, vehicles and all sorts of military technology. Shame on mr Brown and anyone who allows this silly game of terrorism to go on!!!

Owe the US a debt ??


Rather, all loved ones of any military killed in this bogus WOT that the US pushed for, should be compensated by the US government.



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