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Is it legal to set ANYTHING on fire, in a public place, without a burn permit?
don't know, don't care....if you're not a cop and you think this person is breaking the law by burning without a permit, then you call the cops. you don't go vigilante cause your feelings are hurt...
I believe he relinquished his rights to that property (the flag) as soon as he touched a lighter to it. So, IMO, there was not theft.
^^^^well, you're entitled to your opinion but that don't mean you're correct....if i light my porsche on fire, do you have the right to run over, put it out and make away with my car? i mean, did i relinquish my rights to my property?
i'm curious as to how lighting it on fire makes it cease to be his...can you explain that a bit more please?
Besides, his intentions were to destroy it anyway!
^^^^^thats the great thing about when the property is yours. i can choose to take my 52 inch flat screen out and take the sledge hammer to it if i wish....you don't have the right to do that to my tv though? just cause i start doing that does not mean the tv can become your property...
when it is all said and done, i was born here as were you. i am entitled to live here and try to be happy and free, just as you are....bottom line.
Originally posted by spacedoubt
Far cry from vigilantism, keeping someone from starting a fire in a public place. The cops would have gotten there, at best, a few minutes later. Possibly too late.
It ceased to be his, at least for the moment, when he endangered the safety of others. It was a good move, separating him from the flag.
Besides, his intentions were to destroy it anyway!
Just like the guy whose flag was "stolen" I wonder if HE called the cops? I suppose he could have..personal theft and all.
Would you ever burn a flag in protest? If so, would you get the proper documents to allow for Burning something in public? Or, would you just burn it, then cry foul when arrested for arson?
Originally posted by niteboy82
Patriotism is great. But if we break it down, I can say that any crime committed is an act of patriotism on my part, but it has to be generally acceptable by the public. This man stole the flag out of the hands of another (presumably) citizen. If he would have stamped out the burning flag with his foot? No harm done. If he would have thrown a bucket of water on the flag? No harm done.
Originally posted by ShiftTrio
considering they could have beat the crap out of both people. next time actually watch the video and speak the truth of what went on.
Not just push some sort of agenda for your New World Order Conspiracy.
For the record if I saw someone burning the flag I would take it from them as well. But I would take it from them, fully knowing I might go to jail for I believe in.
Also for the record, I cannot stand the current admin, I hate what they have done to this country, but the flag stands for all those who died for us in a better time, for the freedom it gives for that POS to burn it.
Originally posted by niteboy82
They could have? So we are supposed to mind our P's and Q's so the police don't beat us to a pulp? :puz
I agree with you on this admin. But the flag is symbolic. The burning of the flag is symbolic on the nature of your protest, and your want for attention.
Btw, how does something "stand for something" but it can't be used in a symbolic way that doesn't agree with yours?
Originally posted by ShiftTrio
People who burn the flag in IMHO are cowards.
Blame the people who have caused the issues not the country.
Originally posted by yuefo
Anti-flag burners tie the symbol up with their sense of nationalism. The flag becomes a sacred object. But what if that which it represents, America, becomes despotic. What if that flag evolves into a symbol of totalitarianism? Is it still sacred?
Originally posted by niteboy82
Secondly, the person with the flag should have pressed charges against the other man for theft. He pulled the flag owned by the man wishing to burn it, out of his hands, and would not give it back.
Originally posted by SimiusDei
It's not "friggin warped" it's called caring about your country's symbols.
the way a christian gets mad if you burn a bible (or any other religion and their book)
but by your logic, it's just paper right?
if the guy was burning a t-shirt that said "god bless america" or something like that...then yea.....it's just cloth.....but the flag is a symbol of what us "patriots" feel OUR country is supposed to stand for.
I'm willing to bet that those of you who are on the side of the flag burner would also be opposed to the minutemen and any protest that was being held AGAINST illegal immigration.
Originally posted by Sky Eyes
To those who say the flag is just a piece of cloth, have we forgotten what it was like in the first weeks after 9-11. It seemed that every business, home and vehicle was displaying the flag. To me that represented solidarity and the sentiment that we were all together in this tragedy..
Originally posted by Daz3d-n-Confus3d
Twist it anyway you want to.My point ,was and I believe you know it, is that why should anyone burn a flag of the country that he came to for freedom?????? All I am saying is that itis wrong and it better not happen in front of me.
[edit on 30-7-2007 by Daz3d-n-Confus3d]
Originally posted by SportyMB
Third, the man attempting to burn the flag should have charges against him for attempting to start a fire in public, a crowded place, something like that. Is it illegal to start fires in public/crowded places?
It's pretty sad that someone would go to that level and even consider burning a flag. While I agree that it is his right to do so, it's also bad taste imo and a blunt act of disrespect towards the millions of citizens and legal immigrants in the US.
Originally posted by yuefo
Anti-flag burners tie the symbol up with their sense of nationalism. The flag becomes a sacred object. But what if that which it represents, America, becomes despotic. What if that flag evolves into a symbol of totalitarianism? Is it still sacred?
Originally posted by yuefo
Originally posted by ShiftTrio
People who burn the flag in IMHO are cowards.
I think it's pretty gutsy myself.
Originally posted by Boondock78
well, unless you're a cop, it is not up to you to stop/charge a person from burning something in public....as i understand it, there was a cop right there. the guy that tried to take his flag should have notified this cop of the law of not being able to burn stuff in public.....cause that is really what you care about right