Mexican activist attempts to burn American Flag-key word "attempts"

It wasn't determined this guy was an illegal. You do know that there is a good portion of the population that are of Mexican decent that are citizens?

North america and south america are poulated by native americans.
mexicans are native americans. How is this not his home. Maybe more so than yours....ask your self where your ancestors came from. They know where theirs did.


As far as using the system for their benefit I'll have you note that over 80% of people on welfare are women and children who actually need the help. We only hear about the abuses to convince us to advocate against social spending and more for a military budget.

Originally posted by intrepid
It wasn't determined this guy was an illegal. You do know that there is a good portion of the population that are of Mexican decent that are citizens?

Yes I do and I have NO problem with them at all.


I know there is no way of really knowing if he was or was not. The fact remains I still feel that if your an American than its your right and if your not an American you have no right.

The world belongs to us all. It makes no differance if he is patriotism is for this country or not, I'm almost positive without proof that his issue is with the government, Not your country or your flag....take it easy

Originally posted by newyorkee
North america and south america are poulated by native americans.
mexicans are native americans. How is this not his home. Maybe more so than yours....ask your self where your ancestors came from. They know where theirs did.


As far as using the system for their benefit I'll have you note that over 80% of people on welfare are women and children who actually need the help. We only hear about the abuses to convince us to advocate against social spending and more for a military budget.

I live in a city where Illegals live and thrive. 80% are alcoholic degenerates milking the system.

Also as far as those on welfare only citizens can qualify. only pregnant women get help with medical bills without naturalization.

actually a national survey was done and of the hispanic community in this country that is still illegal over 90% are employed. If your an alcoholic bum you starve and die. They seem to have a thriving community. That doesnt come easy. Especially in a country that is so hostile to people native to this continent

Originally posted by newyorkee
Also as far as those on welfare only citizens can qualify. only pregnant women get help with medical bills without naturalization.

Keep believing that.

It still hurts to know that friends and family members have died holding that flag and someone lights a match to it. I think this will cause a reaction with allot of Americans.

[edit on 30-7-2007 by Digital_Reality]

If they died holding it it they were probably soldiers. soldiers know the sacrifices expected of them, they are in the killing bussiness. They should be proud we still live in a country where the government has a active lot of people that ensure innosent kids arent sent to war for a profit. As far as honoring the flag, I honor people not sybols. the flag represnts more than people, it is also the bussiness card of the government.

Originally posted by newyorkee
actually a national survey was done and of the hispanic community in this country that is still illegal over 90% are employed. If your an alcoholic bum you starve and die. They seem to have a thriving community. That doesnt come easy. Especially in a country that is so hostile to people native to this continent

Wrong and wrong!
You do not starve if you are an illegal immigrant/alcoholic bum. You get a fake ID and SS# and get a job mowing lawns , work and come home , get drunk all night throwing your trash everywhere and pass out and do it all over again the next day.Periodically sending your cash back home to Mexico and burning our flag on weekends.

That national survey means crap to me. They obviously did not come to my town.

Back on topic, Flag burning is a constitutional right and if he was illegal he did not have that right. Thats all I was saying.

I have but contempt for this government. I love its people. All races and creeds qualify to me as human beings. If any good can come from an imigrant being here than god bless. Its not like we dont have the room or dont need the help. Its also not like this isnt their ancestral land. we do, it is. and besides how can anyone in their right mind talk about keeping people out of our borders when we have the worlds largest acupation army.

Originally posted by Digital_Reality
It still hurts to know that friends and family members have died holding that flag and someone lights a match to it. I think this will cause a reaction with allot of Americans.

[edit on 30-7-2007 by Digital_Reality]

and they probably were in the service and knew full well the risk.
also, they were holding one of the millions and millions of flags out there.

why do you or anyone hold meaning in the flag? it's not about that..

like i said it's a US logo ot like new yorkee said, a biz card for the gov.
your friends and families actions/sacrifice/contributions are no more or less valid/important cause there is one less mass produced, made in china flag in the world....

Originally posted by newyorkee
If they died holding it it they were probably soldiers. soldiers know the sacrifices expected of them, they are in the killing bussiness. They should be proud we still live in a country where the government has a active lot of people that ensure innosent kids arent sent to war for a profit. As far as honoring the flag, I honor people not sybols. the flag represnts more than people, it is also the bussiness card of the government.

I still see it as a symbol of our people and what we went through to get where we are. Its not the flag per say as a piece of cloth but what it represents. When they burn it they are burning everything it represents.
This is only one mans opinion so do not be offended that I hold these certain things sacred. There is nothing anyone is going to say to convince me to hate my country or to lower my self respect or the respect for my country no matter how imperfect it may be.

If they get ss cards they pay taxes right, well if they are illegal how do they collect at the end of the year like the rest of us. they cant ask for a return and dont say they can because that s bs. They work like the rest of us, pay taxes like the rest of us all be it under false pretenses but none the less without the same benefit. And besides white trash does the same things you describe. we dont classify all white people as degenerate bums because of them

Originally posted by newyorkee
If they get ss cards they pay taxes right, well if they are illegal how do they collect at the end of the year like the rest of us. they cant ask for a return and dont say they can because that s bs. They work like the rest of us, pay taxes like the rest of us all be it under false pretenses but none the less without the same benefit. And besides white trash does the same things you describe. we dont classify all white people as degenerate bums because of them

Besides from working under the table yes it happens.
If they have a fake SS# they do not file taxes at the end of the year. They chalk it up to a loss and are still doing better here than if they were back home. (There are countless other ways to live here illegally than just these examples.)

Paying taxes illegally does not make you an American.

Back to the flag..

Illegal immigrant burning flag= wrong
American burning flag= wrong but constitutional.
IMO

I dont care if people quantify their contribiutions as undeserving of respect
because they're situation is not legally sound. All I know is that for thousands of years this was their home. Now because for a couple hundred years someone says different and they are supposed to forget that God gave them this land. You can calll it what you will but its wrong. and as far as being bums, they are the most hardworking people we have in this country. they are always working. always. They like to drink but so do the irish, yet we can respect them. oh, ok i see

burning a flag = not moraly wrong

legally wrong, maybe.

not a question of their right to be here,

Lighting anything on fire in a public place with people all around would be dangerous and stupid.( I'm sure he would have violated a law somewhere) I'm glad the guy stopped him, go burn in it on your living room floor. Take a deep breath a hold it while you at it.

Originally posted by newyorkee
they are the most hardworking people we have in this country. they are always working. always. They like to drink but so do the irish, yet we can respect them. oh, ok i see

Way to sterotype an entire race!
Pretty smart