WTC Roof Closure 9/10

Originally posted by ferretman2
The roof wasn't the first to go, if you actually reviewed the videos from that day and not just a video the fits 'your agenda' you will see the the collaspe starts at the impact zone.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO FACTS ON THIS SITE?!?!?

Ferretman, I was merely responding to the request for a link showing the antennae falling. I have no idea which part of the tower actually was the first to go and do not think that anybody else really does.

My response was to provide the link showing the antennae falling.

However, if you have actual knowledge of the towers collapse then we would be pleased to hear it, and please do not give me links to any images or videos as I have seen them all.

The topic of this thread though is why was the roof closed on 9/10 so please lets get back to that.

Originally posted by ferretman2
The roof wasn't the first to go, if you actually reviewed the videos from that day and not just a video the fits 'your agenda' you will see the the collaspe starts at the impact zone.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO FACTS ON THIS SITE?!?!?

I do not understand this is a video from that day that shows the antenna collapsing first (same as the penthouse of the WTC7) How is this not relevant? Why we can't examine this video? because it does not fit your agenda?
It really looks like the antenna gave up first and later on the building EXPLODED at impact zone or am I missing something?

Why would they stamp a ticket "Roof Closed" and then issue it to someone after they've already closed the roof? Makes no sense to me.
Why issue a ticket at all if it's closed?

I would assume (and I know what that means ) that the person who had the ticket went to wherever the ticket taker was, was told the roof was closed, had the ticket stamped, and then had it handed back to him.

This is all I found so far:

Weather-permitting, visitors could take two short escalator rides up from the 107th floor and visit what was the world's highest outdoor viewing platform. At a height of 1,377 feet (420 m), visitors were able to take in a view of the North Tower and New York City unlike any other. On a clear day, it was claimed that visitors could see up to 45 miles (72 km) in any given direction. An anti-suicide fence was placed on the roof itself, with the viewing platform set back and elevated above it, requiring only an ordinary railing and leaving the view unobstructed.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Casino2112
Why would they stamp a ticket "Roof Closed" and then issue it to someone after they've already closed the roof? Makes no sense to me.
Why issue a ticket at all if it's closed?

Good question.

What I have gathered so far from emails sent to me is that people would
go to the mezzanine at 2 World Trade Center to buy tickets for the indoor observation deck on the 107th floor and the outdoor promenade on the 110th floor.
The outdoor promenade (roof) is what we are talking about here. You could still visit the 107th floor.

Hope this explains it better. Although I have not heard from anyone who had their ticket stamped in the past "Roof Closed"

There have been instances where people are "delayed" from going outside if there was a bad storm in the area although the weather on that day looked OK, just rainy.

hi there Intheshadwos ,

the `roof closed` stamp could have been added by anyone ...you can get rubber stamps made in any shape or design, and they are quite cheap too.

i would be very wary of this example , unless you know the person who sent it to you of course..

take care

snoopyuk

[edit on 16-7-2007 by snoopyuk]

Maybe so they could get a refund of ticket? That might be the only logical explanation. The stamp sounds fishy.

would a phone call to the Ny Port Authority help? Maybe the would answer the question about the roof closure and the ticket stamp?

Then again, maybe not, but just thinking here...

okay carry on.

Originally posted by snoopyuk
hi there Intheshadwos ,

the `roof closed` stamp could have been added by anyone ...you can get rubber stamps made in any shape or design, and they are quite cheap too.

[edit on 16-7-2007 by snoopyuk]

I agree that this is possible but why then would they not have used the ticket, as evidenced by the ticket not being ripped at the end after given to the "ticketmaster"

Then, what are they trying to accomplish by the fake other than alerting us to the fact that maybe the roof was closed.

Of course if they knew that 911 was going to happen then its a different story altogether but I don't believe thats the case.

It appears that Weather may have been a deciding factor on September 10th, 2001. Per the Farmers Almanac, there was over 1 inch of rain on the 10th.

As my above thread states, access to the roof was "weather permitting".


www.almanac.com...



Monday, September 10, 2001
TEMPERATURE
MINIMUM
TEMPERATURE
69.1°F
Minimum temperature
reported during the day.
MEAN
TEMPERATURE
75.5°F
Mean temperature
for the day.
MAXIMUM
TEMPERATURE
86.0°F

Maximum temperature
reported during the day.

PRESSURE AND DEW POINT
MEAN SEA LEVEL PRESSURE

30.10IN

Mean sea level pressure for the day.
MEAN DEW POINT
70.4°F
Mean dew point for the day.

PRECIPITATION
TOTAL PRECIPITATION
1.16IN







[edit on 16-7-2007 by CaptainObvious]

The view on top of the WTC is incredible, and I did it many times with my father dating back to the mid 70's when I got king Kong poster on the deck from the remake.

There were factors were they wold state that the roof observation was closed, and and that you could still visit the observation deck. However, you would be told that you could not get to the roof if i recall. Basically, the ticket is stating that you can go to the observation deck but not the roof. This is not a big deal as it occurs all the time.

It was a beautiful sight to look out over the city.

Intheshadows - I was ~600ft from the first tower when it collapsed. Though from my vantage point, the street, I could not see the impact area through the smoke (plus I was a little side tracked from watching the days events and listening to the news on my MP3 player)

I just went to the Empire state building and the 102nd floor observatory was closed because of construction, but the 86th floor was open. Maybe wtc did the same?


(by the way top of the rock is better than top of empire state building )

from p26 wtc.nist.gov...

Some of the people went toward the roof. However, there was no hope because roof evacuation was neither planned nor practical, and the exit doors to the roof were locked.

I haven't found anything specific on the day before but i would assume they were locked as well...

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Thanks... yeah I assumed the weather was fine. I'm not sure yet as to why (if) the roof was closed. I'm sure someone will dig it up soon.

Again, the roof could have been closed for a variety of reasons. I'm wondering if they kept a record of what days it was closed?? (and for what reasons)

Please see Sdad71s post. It shows the door to the roof. It is always closed and can not be accessed by Johnny Joe touring the Trade Center. The roof on both towers were not public access. The ticket appears to have had the words Roof Closed watermarked onto it.

IMO no smoking gun here but worth the effort to ask right? My pappy used to tell me the only dumb question is one that is never asked. I havent always belived that through the years but makes sense i guess.

Take care everyone keep digging.

This is absolutely laughable. I'm almost 100% certain neither tower had a roof observatory and even if there was some sort of observation deck inside the tower, why would they even sell a ticket just for it to say closed on it.

This is just a bad attempt at making a hoax that half the retards on this forum actually fall for. ATS is seriously just getting filled with all this garbage nonsense and has lost tons of its credibility in the past few years.

I can confirm that the original pic is what a ticket to the observatory looks like.
From there, as I remember there was access to the roof if you wanted, but when I was there, we were told on the observatory that we wouldnt be allowed up there because of Wind gusts.
So the ticket could be marked for reasons that were daily problems, like weather. It wasn't a big deal to us, I wasn't going on the roof if you paid me.
There were some pics from the roof telling you how it was, what was uip there, and they looked incredibly scary.
Also there is only a small area on the roof to look at, you cant walk up to the edge.


So stamping Roof Closed on it would have been done that day, so if nothing else it shows that perhaps he bought it on 9/10.

anyone here from new york?.. if so lets see if they would know,i'd like to hear from a real new yorker that's been there and maybe was there on 9/11.

Originally posted by moles
This is absolutely laughable. I'm almost 100% certain neither tower had a roof observatory and even if there was some sort of observation deck inside the tower, why would they even sell a ticket just for it to say closed on it.

This is just a bad attempt at making a hoax that half the retards on this forum actually fall for. ATS is seriously just getting filled with all this garbage nonsense and has lost tons of its credibility in the past few years.

why stop at doubting that there was an observation tower....why not doubt the exsitence of the buildings all together??

your post contributes nothing to the thread...and actaully seems like a flame...(which worked a little on me)

i agree with others that say the roofs were always locked...and that's just a common stamp.....

tho i'm not so quick eyed....in that video...everything above the fire seemed to slump at once...then collapse....i couldnt catch just the antenna falling.....