THEY Came from Here

Expanding on avriel's post above:

Suppose in the future, humans discover genetic modifications that increase their chances for survival in a world that is hotter, post-nuclear, etc. (whatever)... and only those who actually accept these alterations actually survive.

Genetic modifications could possibly explain the humanoid appearance (a result of genetic hybridization with another species?), thinner bodies (better heat radiation?), larger heads (insulation of brain?), large dark eyes (uv protection, better vision?), etc.

However, perhaps the genetic modifications also have side-affects that are not desirable... and their time-travel/abductions/etc. are all part of their attempts to make themselves more human-like – as they once were.

Anyway, just throwing it into the discussion for the fun of it!

I would think if any race or civilization that has the ability to time travel they would also have the ability to traverse large distance of space through the bending of space- time or worm holes.

Or conversely any race or civilization that could traverse large distances of space through the bending of space- time or worm holes would also be able to time travel.

I think the two go hand in hand. If a civilization were able to traverse time then surely they must be able to travel to any point in the universe in an instant.

As far as I know time travel would involve to some degree the manipulation of space- time.

So as far as the theory postulated in the OP, I dont think it precludes a civilization from some far off distant galaxy coming here either through time travel or the bending of space-time to traverse light years of distance in an instant.

Alot of you are speculating on the theory of them being time travelers from the future or another dimension. Has anyone contemplated that they might be from here right now in the present? Have we studied the depths of the ocean? With the increased sightings of USO's and the like how would we trully know if they didn't have an infrastructure in the darkest corners of the sea? How do we know they don't come from within the earth? I am not setting up a defense for the hollow earth theory. I am just stating that their is indeed a vast system of caves, tunnels, and caverns bellow the earth. Who's to say?
For arguments sake the discussion of time travel is an interesting topic though. Last week I watched a video posted on a thred by TrappedSoul on monotaumic gold. Very, very interesting. kinda ties in with alot of everybodys theorys. It is a long video might want to wait till you get an hour or so to relax, blow off work or whatever.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Supposedly, anti-gravity engines can warp space-time. So I don't think it isn't reasonable that an advanced alien species can travel great distances 'faster' than the speed of light, by actually warping the space around them shortening the 'distance'.

Considering the minimal technology that it took to get Man to the Moon in the 60s , I think it would be quite possible for a race even just a little more advanced than we are now, to get from Space to here.
Especially if it is a race not bogged down by financial budgets, politics etc.

Having read a few theories about the exotic propulsion and how the human brain interprets/organizes its surroundings/data. I have come to view the travel as a kind of stacked row of manual radio tuners...

1. x
2. y
3. z
4. Time

Since the brain may be processing its information in chronological order (time) and since x, y, and z may be the results of time and its ordering one could imagine the possibilty of being able to tweek the electromagetic properties of an object in order to appear to have altered all 4 points, thus becoming relative to the viewer and other viewers who process as we do.

As such we would be able to change our point in time and in the universe in a matter of moments rendering the ol' place a tad smaller

Of course, I have no idea how this would be effected if we were to enter a parallel universe or higher dimension

OK, this is where the weird ideas go to roost, eh? So I too have a slightly odd concept, which means I'm right at home here.

Now what follows is NOT provable at all, so it's not even a theory, it's just one of many ideas that I have toyed with in my life. Please don't string me up.

God, or the Original Concept, chose to have experience. To know all the facts of the universe It created was not enough, It wanted to "feel" and be a part of the universe.

So, It splintered itself into some finite parts, each retaining a concept of self and of It, and each having free will. Free will is important, because free will is the concept that allows imagination to take place. And imagination is the only way to "know" more than all that is.

By having imagination, It could go beyond the boundaries of "all that is". And by splintering, and willfully "forgetting" that these splinters were once a part of the whole, It could exercise creativity in a new way, and could at the same time enjoy the process.

The idea is much like watching a movie that you have already seen. You willfully "forget" the the movie in it's entirety so as to enjoy seeing it. You suspend time and space, you even "forget" events, just for the pleasure of being in the moment that is that movie. And in so doing, you sometimes have new insights into the movie.

Now the EBEs are some of those things that are being 'imagined" into actuality by enough of the splinters "creating with the power of imagination". Because these splinters retain the creative power of the Whole, albeit in reduced magnitude, the "reality" of the EBEs becomes stronger with the more splinters that accept and contribute to the process of creating this.

Now before you write me off as nuts, even by ATS standards, consider that there is a valid school of thought to the universe as a hologram. An idea that is supported in some measure by string theory and the idea of universal resonance.

IF the universe were based on the design of a hologram, then the only real participants would be patterns of thought, because everything else would be the result of these patterns. And patterns would be "realized" when enough other patterns agreed to the validity of a new pattern.

So, will the EBEs show up? If enough people want them to. Will they be from the future or from some far off galaxy? Again, it will be whatever enough of us "imagine into reality". Will they be evil or benevolent, or both? You tell me. because it's your story too.

On some other thread I will explore the idea "Is God A Schizophrenic?" and how religions can help Him overcome the duality of His nature.

i understand the super conductors like monautomic gold have some very "intresting" properties including anti gravity.

i think the whole semantics of the hollow earth theory are misdirection i would like to see more of a look into cavernous earth theory of any creatures as well as at the deepest depths of the ocean. that is the vast unknown. but the bottom line is this*

in a civilized society to have enough order (lack of disorder) certain things must be surpressed be it (knowledge, or immaterial, or ufos/things that may panic people) even if and when they do exist, and they will surpress these things at every turn whatever it takes in intrests of national security and to prevent the spread of

1. uncontrollable subjective immaterial information
2. information released not in a controlled way that otherwise will threaten the present power structure which would pose a threat in the form of too much disorder
3 things that cause uncontrollable panic ( such things if known about ) would not be released to the public (we are on a NEED to know basis) unless are very lives are threatened beyond there abilities to confidently defend us

this is why the major media is bought and paid for

this is why society is more materialistic and that the physical sciences are funded things can be seen and at least agreed upon to EXIST. and there is less disorder interpersonal and social. and the mystic sciences considering consciousness and other intriguing things are not. the information
creates a high potential for social disorder. if everyone understood this there would be less skeptics, and more intelligent people looking into the true secrets in this world

this is why people who make discoveries out of the realm of what people need to know and try to speak about it (make it mainstream) are furiosly attacked, discredited, and "black listed". doesn't this make sense to people

now tell me somebody's only reply will be to correct a spelling error

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Originally posted by ozvulcan
I don't see why some people think that it is more plausible that they are time travellers than from another star.

For the very simple reason that as of today, we have found absolutely zero evidence of any ET life, much less intelligent life. At least we know we exist, and that we're pretty clever little monkeys, who given enough time, might just figure out a way to work around that annoying time thing.

Hypothesizing about aliens only brings another unknown into an equation that already has too many unknowns.

You might as well just say that UFOs are vessels created by ghosts in the Spirit Realm that enable them to interact with the living world. GHOSTS!!

Originally posted by SuicideVirus

For the very simple reason that as of today, we have found absolutely zero evidence of any ET life, much less intelligent life.

You can't be serious.

Fascinating topic that deserves to be flagged ! I am in two minds over this. The time travel theory sounds interesting. i hope it is true as it will prove that humanity does not blow itself up !! I've always wondered about that iran UFO back in 1976. It was on the eve of the Iranian Revolution. it apparently took a pot shot at an Iranian jet that was scrambled to investigate it. Perhaps this was a time travel device to study Iran prior to the revolution. makes sense given the whoo haa Iran is causing now over it's nuke programme. Additionally there are lots of stories about Atlantis being advanced. maybe there is a link with that? Crazy i know but you never can tell !! Conisering we have just discovered there are 13 dimensions in the universe the theory that a parallel visitation could be taking place is also credible. However i don't dismiss the Cosmic/ET connection. there is too much evidence that UFO's are ET in origin. Take the example of Betty and Barney Hill they were alledgelly shown a star map by the ailens they met. If i remember the story right their planet was destroyed by some sort of accident and they were looking for a new planet to settle on.

An Unidentified Flying Object doesn't fly?

Libra, I know it sounds odd but they really don't. Flying is something reserved for planes and things that utilize the atmosphere and aerodynamics.

Unidentified Flying Objects is really a bit misleading. Unidentified is kind of a misnomer. Flying is incorrect. They vector along trajectories. Objects works ok I guess.

What does human craft have to do with time travel though?

Originally posted by Frontkjemper
But if they (the future "us") can create time travel, is it not then possible for another race (alien) to create interstellar travel? "Time and space" comes to mind. The technology is based roughly on the same thing? (I'm probably wrong.)

To be clearer, as far as we know, travelling faster than light and travelling backwards in time are the same thing.

As you approach the speed of light, time dilation kicks in and your perceived time slows down. Theoretically, travelling at the speed of light would cause you to "freeze" in time, but you'd also be pure energy, so whether you could even perceive anything is up for debate.

Anyway, if you think about it, if time slows down as you approach SOL and stops when you are at SOL, then the only place it has to go if you're FTL is backwards.

Since the brain may be processing its information in chronological order (time) and since x, y, and z may be the results of time and its ordering one could imagine the possibilty of being able to tweek the electromagetic properties of an object in order to appear to have altered all 4 points, thus becoming relative to the viewer and other viewers who process as we do.

I'm not following your logic here. Time is a result of space because it takes time to move across space. How does the electromagnetic force assist in altering the appearance of the x,y, z coordinates of an object?

Originally posted by uberarcanist

Originally posted by SuicideVirus

For the very simple reason that as of today, we have found absolutely zero evidence of any ET life, much less intelligent life.

You can't be serious.

Of course. If you have some evidence that has been proven to be directly related to ET life, I would love to see it, as I'm sure would most of the major international news outlets.

There is some possible evidence. Some conjecture based on debatable probabilities. But so far there has been absolutely no conclusive proof of life of any kind -- existing or having existed, basic or advanced and intelligent -- anywhere other than good old Earth.

Absolutely. Zero.

Another thought came to me as i was mullign over a chinese tonight. The recent debate on forbidden archelogy raises some questions as well. Alleged findings of stuff in deep mines dating back thousands and thousands of years and all that jazz... What if an advanced civilisation in the past developed the ability to move FORWARD in time? Spooky just to think about it

Aliens...are US....we are the same....we may be in different parts of the universe, but we are all made up of the same material...their technology..can be re-created by us eventually...as it is again made up of the same stuff we are... the universe is huge..but again it is all comprised of the same materials....just manipulated differently.......we are all the same...we carry the same bond.....which creates a symbiotic relationship...when we do eventually make real and lasting contact ...we will find we have the building blocks to create their technology in our grasp.....we just have to lean how to manipulate them...

Originally posted by Wirral Bagpuss
Another thought came to me as i was mullign over a chinese tonight. The recent debate on forbidden archelogy raises some questions as well. Alleged findings of stuff in deep mines dating back thousands and thousands of years and all that jazz... What if an advanced civilisation in the past developed the ability to move FORWARD in time? Spooky just to think about it

Please see my earlier post in this thread. Moving backwards through time might be problematic, however, moving forward through time is completely normal and acceptable in any theoretical framework. The assumption is that evolution moves forward at a relatively steady pace, but the fossil record shows that many different kinds of pre-human hominids existed before us. Was one of them a super race of genius intelligent hominids, who easily solved the problem of spaceflight and have been off traveling around the galaxy?

The Greys may very well be evolved humans from the future.
But the real question ofc is, why are they here now?
What have they been doing for the last 60 years here?
Why do they keep visiting us?


[edit on 3-7-2007 by zyntax555]

Originally posted by zyntax555
The Greys may very well be evolved humans from the future.
But the real question ofc is, why are they here now?
What have they been doing for the last 60 years here?
Why do they keep visiting us?
[edit on 3-7-2007 by zyntax555]

That's the question nobody can really answer. Whether they're aliens, time travellers, or spirits, nobody can give a reason for why they're here.

If they are from the future, they certainly aren't worried about messing with the timeline. We have movies, TV shows, and cults all built around UFOs that have definitely altered history. It could be that they have found some way to protect their future from our present. Or, more depressingly, they could be from a future so far removed from us that nothing they do could really affect it- they aren't evolved humans, they evolved in a few million years after we went extinct and were wiped from the face of the planet.

If they're not tiem travellers, and as suggested before are just another intelligent race that evolved on earth then left, they msut be incredibly old by our standards. Old enough that all evidence of their time on Earth is groudn to dust.