THEY Came from Here

While I've never been super enthusiastic about the subject of Aliens and UFOs, after having recently seen what could have been either a UFO or possibly a fast moving satellite. I have been pondering the possibilities.

To me, logic, and skepticism, have given way to speculation. What if extraterrestrials are not really extraterrestrial?

The notion that these aliens travel impossible distances, only to apparently study our world, without making any open contact, or official greetings with us, apparently on what seems to be scientific missions, is just too far fetched for me to believe.

After a venture into the Internet, to read up on abductions, encounters, videos, and comparisons of drawings of these "beings", a commonality to our human form seems undeniable, yet they seem dramatically different. Could the differences be a combination of advanced evolution, genetic manipulation, and separation of time, perhaps hundreds of thousands or even a million years or more?

To me, after doing extensive reading on the subject of aliens and UFOs first purely out of curiosity then being overwhelmed by the amount of information there is, it is hard to dismiss the existence of them, so if they exist, where do they come from? what are they really? I believe it is much more likely that these alien visitors, aren't as alien as you may think...

According to a multitude of witness accounts, stories of abductions, and sightings of UFOs it is more than apparent that they posses technologies much more advanced than anything we can yet comprehend. They seem to be very interested in human, and even animal biology... Why?

Could they actually be extremely advanced humans, not from a distant star system, or galaxy, but from right here, but not now? Perhaps the great distance they travel is TIME.

Their apparent interest in us, and our world, void of any legitimate contact with us, leans more toward the theory that they come here on scientific research missions, and even historical research missions, from the future, not from another point in space far away from here. Time travel, while perhaps impossible to us now, may be a reality in our distant future. Which seems more likely, to travel thousands or even millions of light years of space, just to study our world, or a future race of our own, highly evolved, empowered with technology, and capabilities beyond our ability to comprehend, who can traverse TIME, ultimately to study us, to study history, and to explore what is to them, a distant past?

Maybe a few have been captured, maybe, they have helped us along the way, maybe they had a hand in assisting us with some of the technologies we have now. Maybe the reason they avoid real contact and official exchanges with us is because to do so could affect their own TIME.

What if they came from here?

Wonderful theory there, Gazzrok,( is that you...???)

There isn't much to add to this other then this idea of the visitors being humans from the future has been discussed before, and is an intresting theory and idea, but it is just that.

Also, if there was a possiblity that they could come back in time, they oculdn't messs with the suroundings, and such. Also, if they are time travels that came back in time, that mean Roswell was what... (there is a Futurama episod in which they go back in time and they are the craft that crashes at roswell, see they beat you to it).

So lets see here, human from future go back in time to 1947, accidently crash... so in the future the people that traveled back in time were on a diffrent timeline, one without a rosewell event, and once they crashed, they would have sent our world on a diffrent direction...

Unless the crash that happen was always a mystery, and in the future we decided to go back in time to see what accutly happen, then crashing, in which in that case everything that can happen, happen, is happening and will happen at the same time and can not be changed...

I think that is on topic?

I was always very skeptical myself until I was told a family story that peaked my interest. After reading several books on the subject matter I became more convinced that there is something to it.

I would say they are interested in us just like we are interested in other life forms. I have tossed around the idea myself of them originating inside our solar system. It certainly eliminates the FTL problem. I suppose they could be time travelers. According to modern physics we could be just mere inches away from another universe but it is invisible because it's on a different plane. Perhaps they are from another universe just inches from our own.

I'm hoping the truth will come out in my lifetime but there's probably a good chance that it won't. Michio Kaku says many physicists believe the most logical way for contact to occur is by them leaving some sort of probe on our moon. Or perhaps they already have a base there. Even though we have taken wonderful pictures of the moon and landed there doesn't mean there couldn't be a small probe just waiting for us to find it.

Originally posted by TKainZero
Wonderful theory there, Gazzrok,( is that you...???)

I am a huge fan of Gazrok, and I am honored that you think I am him.

But no, Gazrok has been around ATS longer than I.

My user name is UM_Gazz, not to be confused with Gazrok.

Originally posted by TKainZero
Unless the crash that happen was always a mystery, and in the future we decided to go back in time to see what accutly happen, then crashing, in which in that case everything that can happen, happen, is happening and will happen at the same time and can not be changed...

Interesting, however, what if their visits are to collect samples, and do research, on a distant past, in order to help their own in their own time?

Perhaps they work within a clear set of rules, and there are things they can and cannot do here. They may have mastered time travel, and understand what can affect them in their own time, by interacting with our time. It could be possible that accidents have happened, perhaps what we see as government cover-ups, are actually the results of their own manipulations to cover-up such things.

When it comes to aliens and UFOs it seems there is more that we do not know, than we do. Perhaps by design!

That leaves us with some evidence, speculation and theories.

Ultimately, we, in our time, may never really know the truth.

[edit on 2-7-2007 by UM_Gazz]

I don't think that aliens are from the future and here's why-there is too much evidence for paleocontact. If paleocontact is true, as I am almost doubtlessly sure it is, it would mean that visitors from the future influenced the past. But this doesn't make sense. If the future is changed in the past, what need is there to travel back in time in the first place?

It is an illogical loop.

Originally posted by Scramjet76
According to modern physics we could be just mere inches away from another universe but it is invisible because it's on a different plane. Perhaps they are from another universe just inches from our own.

The parallel universe theories are fascinating as well, and could also be a possible path to our world, from right next to us?

To me, either time travel, or traversal of parallel universes could potentially make more sense than a space craft that travels here across unimaginable distances only to study us and our world, then again.. travel that same distance to return to their home. However it is possible that if one can travel through time, one could also travel great distance across space rather quickly, the advanced technology, and energy requirements would be similar. I suppose that is the paradox in my theory.

An intersting angle on the subject, very thoughtful but i think most people are just so facinated with the idea that theyare not humans due to what that really means, it answers the quetsion of are we alone in the universe, if it turns out that they humans, it will be a bit of an anticlimax though that will suggest time travel which will give humans something to invent such as a time machine and then ponder on its implications.

A lot of posters here and across the internet like to throw out the "Occam's razor" explanation for everything we observe.

I use it a bit differently in this subject since I do believe it to be extraterrestrial based.

Since humanity can already use contemporary technology to travel to other planets (albeit an infeasible task) the answer to the origins of UFOs/ETs would seem far more likely to go this route than something along the lines of time travel.

One of the very earliest and well-known movies on this subject, The Day the Earth Stood Still, dealt with IMO the most likely explanation as to why any spacefaring race would have interest in our planet. The threat of humans taking our violence and newfound nuclear weaponry into space. To study and deal with humans before we become a true threat to any extraterrestrial race would seem to be a smarter thing to do than to simply exterminate us without fully understanding us, our motivations, and exploring all other avenues of peaceful co-existence.

[edit on 2-7-2007 by Frith]

Originally posted by thesun
An intersting angle on the subject, very thoughtful but i think most people are just so facinated with the idea that they are not humans due to what that really means, it answers the quetsion of are we alone in the universe, if it turns out that they humans, it will be a bit of an anticlimax though that will suggest time travel which will give humans something to invent such as a time machine and then ponder on its implications.

If they are not human, then why in almost every instance where abducties have been able to sketch, or have sketched drawings of what their abductors look like, and in almost all cases these "extraterrestrial aliens" appear human, or humanoid?

Heads, eyes, mouths, arms, hands, bipedal legs, feet, etc...

Why not consider the possibility that they are indeed highly advanced and evolved, perhaps even genetically altered and perfected humans from a distant TIME in the future?

Makes sense to me. And far more plausible than visitors from another star system.

I know if I had the ability to travel through time, I would have two key points of interest. First is about 50,000 years ago, to see the neanderthals and homo sapiens coexisting (for what little time they did). Second is 100,000 years ago, to see how the first hominids that could be considered human lived their daily lives.

Likewise, if I were a person from 100,000 years in our future, I would be interested in coming back to now and experiencing things first hand. Our world and that world would be two very different places, mechanically and biologically. The knowledge gained from such an expedition would be priceless.

On the flip side ....perhaps we are from their future. Maybe they traveled foreward in time and found us. Kind of like Planet of the Apes. Once free energy was available some prehistoric extremists put too many gigawatts through their flux capacitor and blew up our old world, scambling our(theirs?) DNA and now we(they?) look like us. yeah, thats the ticket.

I would suspect that, the further away they come from, he more from the future they are. This is surrounding the big bang/expanding universe theory and the fabric of space and time.

[edit on 2-7-2007 by weknowyouknow]

Also remember that if they have this kind of technology it would be nothing to travel vast distances to other galaxies for them. Maybe they dont need to travel faster then the speed of light maybe they discovered the power of dark matter or worm holes in space black holes as well so you see we are just starting to explore our own universe if they have spaceships already im pretty sure they are tired of looking at planets in their own solar system. I think its an interesting theory but I think its more likely they are not from here nor are they us in the future.

A recent Newsweek cover story about the cutting edge of evolution study suggests that evolution of humanity didn't progress in a relatively straight line from monkey hominids to us. It's not a just matter of brains growing or brow ridges shrinking. Fossil evidence suggests that the human family tree had a number of interesting divergences and evolutionary dead ends that produced "people" that looked more like us than, say, Neanderthals.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

This definitely leaves the door open to the possibility that somewhere in our relatively distant past a more human-looking, possibly more intelligent hominid species developed that could have looked, oh, something like this:



In many ways, particularly in terms of size and shape, this little feller looks more like he could be an ancestor, rather than a descendent. We haven't found any of these genius superhominid fossils... yet. But all the pre-human fossils ever found would fit in the back of a pick up truck. And besides, what if they didn't bury their dead, but rather cremated them, or pulverized them?

So they flew off in their very excellent space ships, to return a million or so years later and study us, their distant cousins.

I'd love to post a longer reply, but I need sleep.

But if they (the future "us") can create time travel, is it not then possible for another race (alien) to create interstellar travel? "Time and space" comes to mind. The technology is based roughly on the same thing? (I'm probably wrong.)

But it is very interesting idea, that the "alien" visitors we seem to have today may be from Earths future. That would explain them sometimes stopping weapons of mass destruction and wars. (Heard of that before, not quite sure where.)

So in order to preserve their future, they maintain a balance within our international communities. Making sure we don't blast the earth.

Anyways, night people.

Frontkjemper

This theory reminds me of the movie "Sphere" where they find a huge space craft at the bottom of the ocean piloted by humans from the future but crashed hundreds of years prior.

TK and uber make interesting points. The whole idea of time travel and having the potential of altering the future, their present, becomes rather confusing.

Just the act of stopping looking or taking a picture would create a paradox.
That would mean you were slowed down for a few seconds then missing or having the accident you wouldnt have had if you hadnt stop to look at the ET.
The only way this is possible is if they remained invisible all the time while traveling through time.

However it is possible that if one can travel through time, one could also travel great distance across space rather quickly, the advanced technology, and energy requirements would be similar. I suppose that is the paradox in my theory.

Well the most elementary time machine according to einstein would be to travel at a certain % of light so in fact time slows down for the "spaceship" occupants but moves normally here on earth. Still that brings up it's own problems for on-going studies of humanity.

Although if they truely are slogging through space at a certain percentage of "c," then it would make sense to leave robots (cyborgs, whatever) here to do most of the study. Many have claimed that these beings (during abductions) don't move their mouths and that their skin feels cold and hard (almost like a plastic synthetic).

It's just so much speculation and not enough answers. It can drive one crazy.

well i had been very uninterested in aliens and skeptical for awhile until reading about the interpretation of the sumerian tablets and also the gnostics interpretations and how ET beings are mentioned AT LENGTH throughout ancinet artifacts dating back several thousand years.

besides the beleifs i have that are VERY STRONG that advanced beings exist i am not as sure as to sorting out the MESS as who is manevolent, benevoent, who operates in the 4'th dimension, and if or how and global leaders blood lines i.e presidents, royal familiy could be traced back to egypt, babylonia, and sumeria, and are "watered down versions of the nephilim "men or renown," I beleive there were/are annunaki, nephiilm, grey's and there could be many more.

i used to laugh at people who talked about a niburu planet now who knows, all i know is something is going on likely right under are noses but out of our preception range that would blow our mind, and that there are et's and the ancient cultures were very much aware of these creatures wether they live among us today or were driven off or under the earth a long long time ago.

like in the end of transformers tonite, they were interviewing the kids parents and asked them if aliens existed, and they smiled and said of course not, if they did our government would be the first to let us know about it, that they would be very upfront and honest with us, and how could they ever hide something like that, (this was after the "alien creatures" i.e machines had invaded there town and they witnessed it.



[edit on 3-7-2007 by cpdaman]