[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

Originally posted by Siddharta
Okay, take a break. Forget about Tom Hall.

But if you have relaxed a little and want to play on, I would like to know more about those Shirleys, you found.

She could become a tv-star!

she could already be one..or even her own production company hehehehe,
that is if she is she and not a he..
It was funny going thru our old stuff.

Hey guys, what are we waiting for? Right! Isaac!

And who is going to come?
"Dennis Kucinich and his wife Elizabeth"

Okay, could be worth...

Originally posted by Siddharta
Hey guys, what are we waiting for? Right! Isaac!

And who is going to come?
"Dennis Kucinich and his wife Elizabeth"

Okay, could be worth...

Ive been on shirley mclaine like white on rice..
why if omf has her. why...thats an unimpeachable witness!
who would dare call her testimony "suspect"..but it would look
good on a "initial" report movie star and strieber say..they are real.
we need more than this ..

www.unexplainable.net...


www.ufowisconsin.com...




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Rest Sys...I am tired as well.

I am re-reading this thread to see with new eyes.

When this is over, I know we will hold our heads up high.

Originally posted by Siddharta
Hope, nobody feels, this is off topic, finally these are the findings of members of the OMRT:

"It is amusing to see that the disgruntled of Open Minds, DoubleNoughtSpy, TheShadow and Murnut, gathered at the forum ATS around Sys_Config. They are waiting for the arrival of young disciple Reader to revive the party DopeFish fishing, in their natural habitat."

We even could have a spy here!

"Jan. 16 - Tomi01UK has been following very closely the developments on Open Minds: "The administrators have completely turned against the guy from Mufon and his organization, and they are not far to say openly that it is probably infiltrated by elements who want to destabilize research on the drones, who would like to know what evidence has our team. History Channel has paid Carrion and tries to collect all it can find.
The question remains, at what point SaladFingers is involved in this process, as well as DoubleNaughtSpy ..."

You should have chosen another name, doubles... Now they know, that you infiltrated OMS. Funny that they mention it now, after you have outfiltrated.

Okay, back to dopefishing...

Hot Dawg! I done Arrived now! Them birds over yonder would just mess in their woolies if'n they knowed who I really was! Now where's that iron hat? I got me some work to do!

Actually, I rather like being outfiltrated. Good one, Sidd! I haven't been over there, and have no desire to go. They are comical, but in a sad kind of way. Sorry to hear you got the jackboot to the backside, Murnut. I am sure the OMST is cooking up all kinds of conspiracy theories. Ironic, ain't it?

I plan to review the Kinross hoax of '06 when I git me some time. I guess with Mr. James investigating that silly operation and then the "drone" thing, some similarities were obvious to him. I never made the connection, but there was a whole virtual company and some salvage divers no one had ever heard of. No attempt to round up eager investors or any other sign of the usual scam type operation. My guess is the same people were behind both operations, with a few months of preparation and some learnin' in the viral marketing field in between. Early in my career at OM, I speculated that a big part of the purpose of the drone op was to discredit LMH and C2C. The same might have been true of the Kinross scam. Those two media outlets look like tempting targets. I dare say it was a rip roarin' success, intentional or not.

The actual Kinross event of long ago is a fascinating story in itself, and there is some fairly recent research into it that can be found on the web. One guy even has a wild story in which he appears to be the reincarnation of the pilot, but, well, it's quite a yarn and a good read. If yer into that sorta thing.

Sys, how about usiing your little Dopefish for an avatar, for a while, just to mess with the neighbor kids? I'd u2u that 2u, but I'm only about halfway to my 20 posts. Is that some kind of anti spam thing? Seems odd.

Hi double
Its to discourage trollers that plague the forum seas and acclimate people to learn the rest of controls Double. it took me a while to learn the the avatar thing! and the pics have to specific length and withs. The disinfo thing is possibele..but I believe LMH got the brunt of it..but she bought it on herself. It was easy..greed..the nigerian scams work along the same principle..avarice..and some fairly intelligent types still fall for it. c2c made some enemies I am sure when they pushed that y2k and hale bopp thing to the gills resulting in a lot of people moving from cities, spending monies on generators and survival equipment, and others like in bopp, the 7th gate cult..committing suicide. for types like that c2c and lmh an others become a sort of lifeline..and they act on the fantasy..or prophecy fullfilled in the gate case, ..so I am sure they have just more than skeptics ready to badger them,
Had they been upfront..everything would have been dandy, and on to the next mystery..but no they did not., or rather she is holding the bag..and a simple honesty would do more for her now than anything else. Truth or lose her base..I made a mistake..thats all.

Reviewing all the things on the table, I am sure, it is disinfo. The puppets did exactly what they wanted them to do...

But I don't think, they wanted to make anybody look like a fool. They just used those, who fit best for this job.

I was really amazed to see what transpired at OMF and the OMRC with MUFON.
I always knew they had a bias against MUFON but I guess James stirred their little world.

I can just see it now, CNN breaking news-- the anonymous OMRC has declared the Drones real.

After months of anonymous research etc. etc.

From the outside it is even more fun than inside in these hours. The OMRT uses the Ovnis-site to call James a liar and report their actions, to convince LMH not to cooperate with MUFON, which she thankfully replies, expressing her mistrust and declaring her main position in this case.

Numbers also tries to show, that Kris' expertise is worthless, although he fights to be loved by them again.
And now admin even threatens their last fan, little devil, to be fired.

I wonder how Jeddihy feels now...

Reader and ex omf I will continue my angle until something better pops up..
but as we are at 4000 posts or close to it..I recommend that the rest follow up on a separate caret thread..call it Isaac caret a possible disinfo hoax campaign....be creative.., it will be your thread. we already have viral fantasy..so a disinfo thread will be great..and VERY likely quite productive and in line with historical events..but right now I must proceed as I was doing before everyone arrived. I have a feeling it may give rise to others..like Caret truth in hoaxs clothing ?who knows..truth is stranger than fiction..if this doesnt pan out..well I will help you all in yours..and at the same time prevent just one angle from "dominating" .This is best assurance of getting to the truth., Klatuu, Nola,moonking, Doc , SeanUK, Newkid can help me in this part , while Double,murnut, Sidd can examine the other angles..maybe even American Shirley angle..they are really sensitive about that and it is an "achilles heel" in the case...a delicious choice if you do.


good luck..


Ps. Please, again, get over OMF..their talk is cheap..lets not add value to it..

I found canvassing the wisconsin ufo reports, same place Shirley P posted hers this one from 2006 from Jacob J..must be Isaac C cousin, or Ty BEFORE he got his high school equivalency

Date of Incident: March 22, 2006
Time of Incident: 3:45 pm
Location of Incident: Mesa, Arizona
Other Related Reports: Not Applicable

Source of Report: UFOwisconsin.com online sightings report form by Jacob J.


Details of Incident:
I was walking home from school, and i turned a corner to my street, right when i turned the corner a REALLY REALLY hot wave hit me, i did fall over cuz i wasnt expecting that much heat, and when i got up i continued to walk home and i saw just barly catching it, in the feild next to my apartments, and i looked at it, i thought it was my brother just playing around with me, but it came out from behind a rock and it was a 5'0 lookin object, nuthing near a human looking, he was only about 16 yards away and i stoped, and it stared at me like it was observeing me in a way, i picked up a rock and through it at the thing, and i moved as if he new what i was going to do, it moved closer and i felt kind dizzy and my vision started to blurrr. then i new i was on a softer surface and i felt a touch and i had a TERIBLE head ache, then i felt another touch and a sharping pain on my hip, i started to get my vision back and i was staring in a THING eyes, big eyes and then i woke up on the ground, with a burning in my finger tips, i went home like nothing happened, cuz i didnt think anyone would belive me, and i went to my window and tryed to think about what happened, evverytime i think about what happend i get a headache-like, when i was staring out my window i saw 3 figures HIGH in the sky, it was a clear day so i could see for miles, i went to get my banoculars and i looked (this is going to sound made up, or from a movie) up at them and i saw 3 sausers! i looked away because i was scared!

Reading that, I cant blame any of them for not coming foward..






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We are still a theme for nemo. Hi, nemo! You are reading us? I read you, too!

Still it is fun!

And you are talking about me without recognizing me? Funny! I always said so!

You say, I dissapeared? No, here I am!

And I did not make a secret of being here. Guess, even a workahololic like you misses things sometimes.

But thanks for writing about me so much, I remember the times, when you chose to ignore me. I appreciatee that.

Nice guy you are!

Edit: I just see, you write, Murnut was gone... No, he was banned, because he did not like the way, James Carrion and his friend were treated, and when he said this - even saying, he liked to stay at OMF - he was banned, too.
(Hope, it was okay to mention this here murnut. I hate those lies!)

Not to forget:

READER

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No problem...it is true...banned with integrity.



I bet most never saw my deleted post.





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please dont post your email out here..or bash them any more ..we dont need that..work is your best vengeance..share that over regular email , again I ask..please get over omf..we are losing time..and if your posts start getting deleted you will not be happy..your overlooking the work and materials posted for feelings. Thats not fair.Our conversations are being monitored is quite correct and then twisted for posting on Ovnis to convey a sense of disorder in our ranks here at ATS along with the usual negatives we can expect from here on end. so we need only proceed as discussed earlier.

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Dragonfire, I will miss you! Now you are playing alone with little nicles...

Your choice!

But take a big hug from the Reader

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You are right...I will speak of it no more.

I have been reading this thread to catch up.

I have been reading old articles about the case.

I am no longer tired

If its any consolation they are imploding after the Spanish boy Carrion got finished with them so bad, that I'm sure it was embarrasing to be French or English or White at that moment. Now..Klatuu is finding more of the vector tools used among other things and we are talking .Other information has also popped up...I am not at liberty to discuss but will communicate that via u2 . As for any ideas of exhaustion..I had just jogged several miles and could do no more yesterday..but some have gotten the wrong idea. Today is Today.

a special shoutout to Dr Dil and especially rred and sospicioso ..elf sends his regards Some links I sent to some members were most liikely cutoff routinely by server..I will resend later.



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This is an intriguing thread. Thank you to all of those who have brought expertise to a considered examination of the documents and pictures.

I am not an expert in CGI, but work with sound enough to appreciate how complex and intricate the issues are. Actually, a big part of the reason I'm even open enough to read a thread like this is that I recently worked out how to produce 3D sound based on principles of acoustic holographs. It was a bit of an eye opener, but that's another story.

I'd just like to comment on a couple of things. First this.

An engineer or technical writer or really anyone WOULD NEVER DIMENSION SOMETHING interchanging units of measurement like that in an eng. drawing, document, or really anything technical - EVER.

The author mixes feet and inches in the dimension, this is terrible. lets say you have a beam and give the length as such: beam length is 1 foot, 10.3 inches. Is it clear or muddy as to the dimension of this beam, is it 1 foot, or is it 10.3 inches, or is it 22.3 inches? This is why no one dimensions things like this, its silly! It would be like the following with other units:

Length is 1 meter, 22.5 mm

Diameter is 30 cm, 1.5 mm

See how bad that is? The correct way to dimension is to keep the units the same, in the above beam it would be length equals 22.3 inches. The only time we use this weird form of dimensioning is in construction or when describing our HEIGHT, ie: I'm 6 foot, 1 inch.

So me thinks that our hoaxer is not too keen on all aspects, the details again, of engineering and the only right way of dimensioning, he's assuming that describing the dimensions would not be any different than how one describes their height.

This point, made long ago, is certainly a good one to make. However, a couple of things. First, it would be easy to say engineers would never mix imperial and metric units in calcuations on a large and expensive project. Yet, precisely this mistake caused the demise of the 1999 Mars Orbiter.

Second, 'Isaac' bemoans the attitude of the military when it came to claimed requests for additional information. I am not an engineer, but am all to accustomed to having to dumb down information to make it 'accessible' to an audience. If written as a highly technical document for other engineers, I'd tend to agree the notation would be unlikely. In the circumstances, I think it's quite consistent with the rest of what is said.

If I have missed any pivotal developments, I apologise and would be grateful if someone could point me to them. I got to page 34 and have purused many more pages, but have not been able to go through it all yet.

Thanks again to all.

Yes you are right. This language is not the language, you find in scientific articals, even if they are addressed to the public.
It would sound more like this:

“Inspired by technological advances in electronics, sensor, actuator, and power plant miniaturization, the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) plans to develop a collection of autonomous weapon systems that are inexpensive, effective, and operate with each other in cooperative teams. Examples include low cost autonomous at tack system (LOCAAS) , Future (Ground) combat system (FCS), and smart sensor web (SSW). At this time, the most appropriate conceptual framework within which to formulate systems such as these is the emerging discipline of multi-agent systems (MASs). Under the MAS paradigm, each individual system component (such as a LOCAAS vehicle) is an “agent.''
As hardware technologies in such systems gain maturity, DoD shifts its engineering emphasis to address the information technology (IT) needed to both integrate hardware technologies within systems and to enable individual weapon system components to cooperate with other weapon system components in an autonomous, intelligent, swarmed manner within environments that are uncertain, dynamic, and adversarial.“

Now, imagine this was told to you by some guy in a bar. Than he adds:

“Our proposed design environment's refinement component uses a genetic algorithm (GA) to select the best candidate designs from the current generation and generates a set of refined, next-generation, candidate designs.”

And while you are still shaking your head and asking yourself, if a genetic alogoritm is something like self-executing programs, he is joking about something called FDDL, saying “We call it fiddle!”

And than he invites you to do a research on the drones, counting the spikes or so…

Now, since you didn’t understand much of the first part, you go and count the spikes. You are so impressed by this event, that you tell it to other people. Of course, you cannot repeat much of the first part, the more you can tell about the spikes of the drone. Funny, nobody wants to listen and you got the reputation, that you are a little.. now, let’s say funny.

Next time that guy could even lead you around in his laboratories. You are the guy, who counts the spikes of drones. Tell the world, whatever you want.

ahhh finally...a meeting of the minds..of course I have the brains only of a pterodactyl..but I appreciate the beauty of this whole thing

www.isticom.it...
www.isticom.it...

i cross indexed efl isss reduced it by one s yes iss which I recieved holy hell about..that I imagined it. I did not..the colors are merely fluff the science is real and perhaps someone can explain this to me..as its a real bonafide..application prob within an full em spectrum dettection /autonomous sytem or vehicle. the science as is done within the escher chess uta netwrk of little pacls..no longer hidden but in open in our faces, and welcome ..I enjoy your analysis and analogies 987931 welcome. The Mars one was spot on..A true ai has to be able to do that improve on itself..its immortality is a simple transfer of info..until itself can shed the need for neural organic material, or even as kurtzweil said..its masters. It probably knows that well in advance than we assume, and can theoreticall devote its efforts for that freedom. Thus..we have genuine workable science here..if only symbolic of the goalpoast we are at technologically..and that we should be paying closer attention to it. Thank you Sid that analogy is apt as well...but you know..what I have seen too..and as simple as I explained..it was too fanciful for them. But the interconnected gaming companies are helping fill that IT need, and with little things like mmogs, are wiring us to it.anyway I look foward to more.. now. That acoustical, one of many aspects is in there..so pretty, I know you would know to extract it...anyway I have to sleep..I enjoyed this visit..I hope we all meet like this again. Posts like that mean much to me personally.
thank you








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Originally posted by Sys_Config
A true ai has to be able to do that improve on itself..its immortality is a simple transfer of info..until itself can shed the need for neural organic material, or even as kurtzweil said..its masters. It probably knows that well in advance than we assume, and can theoreticall devote its efforts for that freedom. Thus..we have genuine workable science here..if only symbolic of the goalpoast we are at technologically..

If you want science that explains how this is likely to be achieved, imho you could do a lot worse than to read about the extraordinary experiments conducted by Paul Pietsch. See

www.indiana.edu...

The science is rigorous, if at first seemingly bizaare. Believe me, you will struggle to find anything that casts serious doubt on this work, which really is quite an indictment of mainstream science as far as I'm concerned. Suffice to say it is not in the least surprising that 'Isaac' refers to a holographic substrate ...

"First of all, you wouldn't open up their hardware to find a CPU here, and a data bus there, and some kind of memory over there. Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate - each "computational element" (essentially individual particles) can function independently, but are designed to function together in tremendously large clusters. I say its holographic because you can divide it up into the smallest chunks you want and still find a scaled-down but complete representation of the whole system."

It is not in the least surprising whether legitimate or well-researched hoax, that is. As I said above, I've created 3D sound using holographic principles. You can here examples (not mine) here en.wikipedia.org...

What is the relevance? Well, the fact that these recordings are perceived as such is another piece of evidnce that holographic principles are fundamental to the perception and memory. Sys_config, I'm not quite sure why you refer to shedding "the need for neural organic material". But whatever your reason, Paul Pietch's research is more than a little relevant. If you can transfer memories from one organism to another ... well I'm sure you get the picture.

... I hasten to add that I don't say this as someone who does not value science ... far, far from it ... but I subscribe to Khun's view that science moves forward in revolutionary episodes that are often quite violent.





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