[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

newkid, you left out some neat details to that movie. I have naturally used the time machine I keep in my basement to go see the actual flick, which is a historical docu-drama awarded many honors when it comes out in 2109. (The reconstruction from the alien invasion takes some time.)

I really liked the part where Isaac returns to the deep woods of Montana after releasing his documents. He thinks that he has done his part for humanity, and that he can now continue his research into changing lead into gold, in peace and quiet.

But because of the growing sense of worldwide panic over the drones, an intrepid ATS member of great skill and courage, code named NGC2736, traces down Isaac in his mountain hideaway, and persuades him to come and help save the world. (Naturally the actor playing NGC is both talented and exceptionally handsome.)

Originally posted by keeb333
Would you care to elaborate? Are you saying that Isaac purposefully made the postings under as a different gender to throw off anyone attempting to track him down? Or are you making some kind of comment as to why Isaac has not released any more info?

What gives?

it stands to reason anyone could be of any gender. his/or her explanation of how he/she came to have the evidence thats posted on isaac's site is explained in a way that strips any form of gender from it and i imply that it would make just as much sense to take a feminine name if your a dude that it does for a masculine name if you truly are a women. speculation entirely but if anonymity seems important to him/her and what better smoke screen as a last defense no?

Averysmallfox, could be. But somehow, if the whole thing is true as far as Isaac, which I doubt very much, I get the feeling he really doesn't care.

One of the things that he said was that he was protecting his identity, and then he gave up a lot of information that had the potential to lead someone with enough resources back to him. Why?

IF his story were true, he could be old and dying, and only cares about delaying any action for a while. He did mention getting it "off his chest", a phrase often used by people who expect to be in the hereafter not to long afterwards.

Originally posted by keeb333
Would you care to elaborate? Are you saying that Isaac purposefully made the postings under as a different gender to throw off anyone attempting to track him down? Or are you making some kind of comment as to why Isaac has not released any more info?
What gives?

He never claimed a gender as far I can see and only said “Isaac’s is not my real name”

edit: Just look how I said he, assumption, let’s make that he or she

[edit on 26-7-2007 by moonking]

At the risk of alienating (sorry for the pun) all the ladies here, but I'm old school. When in doubt, use the masculine form.

God told me it was right, and She wouldn't kid me on that.

Originally posted by agent violet
ok about the writing, what if the material that the characters are made of, like the actual composite material that the writing was made from (paint, etc..) causes an interaction with A1.
Rather than the design of the lettering.

Wow! A lot of good thoughts (finally) since I last checked in. It feels like this thread has been kick-started out of it's doldrums, though I still half-wish that there were two threads, one for those who want to ridicule the entire thing and another for those who want to work on it.

You've come up with a really interesting thought Agent Violet. Although a very abstract concept, it'd be interesting if the symbols weren't "writing" at all, rather a form of circuitry unlike anything we know. I doubt that this is a profitable pathway, but nevertheless, it's impressive "out of the box" thinking!

With regards to the appearance of the drones: just some free-form thinking here, but what if the drones weren't of alien design, but rather, human adaptations utilizing the parts that we see in the CARET report? Also, there seems to be a meme floating around here that this technology was "given" to us by aliens, when it seems more likely from the documents that we're working with salvaged parts, and CARET was attempting to discover their function and creating machines based on that function.

There's also been some grumbling along the way about how piecemeal the CARET documents are. Picture yourself stumbling upon some amazing study of astonishing alien technology and deciding that you had to find some proof to show others about what you'd seen. You find a report like the CARET documents and manage to tear out a corner of a page, describing some aspect of it. You crumble it up into a ball and tuck it between your cheek and teeth, all while risking exposure and under the watch of an armed guard. When you get it home, you unroll it and flatten it out, and find that parts of it have "bled" somewhat, thanks to your saliva. Still, you're so excited that you put it online, all the while trying to protect your identity.

Think about what the crowd on this thread would say about your hard-won prize. "This is a piece of paper that looks like it was pulled out of a gutter! It isn't proof of anything, it's a random piece of trash...". "So it has a couple of words like 'anti-gravity' and "extra-terrestrial", so does my Heinlein paperback! Besides, the ink is bleeding and printing of that era is a lacquer/soy ink blend that doesn't bleed. It's a fake!".

We're lucky to have as much to study as "Isaac" has given us. He says he has more but why would he release it when his reward has been to be accused of being an ego-driven hoaxer? There are small facets of these documents that astonish me, things that seem un-hoaxable or of such technical difficulty that no one would take the trouble, no matter their motive or bottomless budget. I want to see what else "Isaac" has. I'm glad that most of you have taken a second look at the CARET documents and are willing to investigate them as I suspect that the release of further items will be based on the level of interest in them and our ability to understand what we're looking at. Carry on guys, you're doing great!

NEWKID....i thought you had taken the blue pill........

Originally posted by Arlington Acid

Wow! A lot of good thoughts (finally) since I last checked in. It feels like this thread has been kick-started out of it's doldrums, though I still half-wish that there were two threads, one for those who want to ridicule the entire thing and another for those who want to work on it.

Don’t confuse ridiculing with someone’s frustration in trying to get to the bottom of this
You know I really believe something happened at Roswell
but I believe Isaac’s story is just that, a story
Well Done Isaac, one way or another, you sucked me right in
With the leaps you have people making (myself included) I think it's safe to say your story is already Faith driven
Good job

Originally posted by newkid

Then after that people would feel silly about the drone

Wow this thread has changed Some progress may actually be achieved in this climate. Some interesting idea's to ponder. Nice to see more open minds on both sides.

The graphics do seem to have characteristics of line drawings used by Electricians and in Electronics or Instrumentation. Hoax or no it could be a good lead.

Sorry, folks, but my head hurts from this Mandelbrot set called an ATS thread. I tried to keep reading, to participate, but I just can't go on . . . pity.

The suspension of disbelief here is beyond belief! On each side of the argument I might add. No one has completed a logical probability matrix for this potential earthshattering discovery. And no one has even started a CSI-type of analysis strategy or used basic investigative theory. In terms of data and evidence analysis, has anyone organized a study that begins with the simple and obvious, and works its way to the complex? Just a bunch of scattershot ideas egged on by a verbacious few...

Utterly amazing.

Originally posted by moonking
Don’t confuse ridiculing with someone’s frustration in trying to get to the bottom of this
You know I really believe something happened at Roswell
but I believe Isaac’s story is just that, a story
Well Done Isaac, one way or another, you sucked me right in

I'm fine with that Moonking, but I'd appreciate it if you could explain something to me. Go back to the primer and load up the diagrams. Now, start increasing the magnification. You notice how the "font" keeps going down, down, down in size? It ultimately defeats the resolution of the copier, which was probably a non-commercial, limited edition model for groups of the CARET type. There was a link downstream where someone tried to calculate the size of the original "canvas" and came up with something like 16 feet high. Who would go to that much trouble? We're talking about an unbelievable amount of money in a facility that would blow your mind....can you *realistically* explain that? BTW, you believe in Roswell but not this? This might BE Roswell!

Originally posted by ejsaunders
I'm not saying it's impossible, but consider giving someone who doesn't speak your language (lets say English for the example) an English high-level computer language and ask them to make something complex, like an information system for a library or an accounting package, WITHOUT the manuals, WITHOUT help, just plain old ingenuity - it smacks a bit incredulously to me that people would have worked it out well enough to have what appear to be fully functioning drones (aside from the fact they apprently de-cloak at times, so I guess that's an error).

EJ,
Keep in mind that there were 200 people in the building so at least 100 working on various aspects of this project. They most likely had doctorates, so they were obviously very well educated and intelligent people. With that many people working to reverse engineer it, I'm sure they made some progress, SOME. He said they didn't get too far with it, but I'm sure in 4 years they were able to get a basic knowledge of how some of the elements and language worked.

I agree AA it seems that even at 200% the same thing occurs

Other than that, I found it quite remarkable, how minute the glyphs are,it can easily be presumed that the orginal was on an obviously massive scale. so the 'canvas' would be something like 20x20 if not more, plus it would need a camera suspended above it, i presume.
So that leads me to believe that the PACL team that created the Linguistic Primer Analysis(where the minute characters are displayed) had an evidently large amount of available space, proper lighting, superb cameras, and the financial resources to provide the various supplies needed to produce minute lettering in near perfect detail.

Originally posted by Arlington Acid
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I'm fine with that Moonking, but I'd appreciate it if you could explain something to me. Go back to the primer and load up the diagrams. Now, start increasing the magnification. You notice how the "font" keeps going down, down, down in size? It ultimately defeats the resolution of the copier, which was probably a non-commercial, limited edition model for groups of the CARET type.

I’m not being sarcastic here, believe me, but I really want you to think about what you just said, It does ultimately defeat the resolution of the copier at the time.
A logical interpretation of that is because it was made just recently , but to say it was made on a copier and shouldn’t have been that clear and conclude it must be from another world is a leap of faith
I have no problem exploring the possibilities and probabilities, but when it gets to the point that I have to suspend logic and surrender myself to the thought that this is from supremely advance beings to which I must accept, that’s a leap of faith anyway you look at it

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Originally posted by agent violet
I agree AA it seems that even at 200% the same thing occurs

Other than that, I found it quite remarkable, how minute the glyphs are,it can easily be presumed that the orginal was on an obviously massive scale. so the 'canvas' would be something like 20x20 if not more, plus it would need a camera suspended above it, i presume.
So that leads me to believe that the PACL team that created the Linguistic Primer Analysis(where the minute characters are displayed) had an evidently large amount of available space, proper lighting, superb cameras, and the financial resources to provide the various supplies needed to produce minute lettering in near perfect detail.

OK, let me get this straight. Blaine says that this could be done easily, and others say that no matter how they crank up the resolution, they can't get the fine details.

Can anyone show how these details of line drawing could be accomplished on a state of the art computer here in 2007? Because if it can't be duplicated without massive cameras and massive canvas, then that is a big mark against it being some penny ante hoaxer.

Which leads right back to the "who" and the "why" questions. Except for those folks that maintain that it's all real.

Never mind. I found something called vector art. It seems you can go pretty deep with that.

My bad. I need to look harder instead of assuming I'm too dumb about computers to find answers.

Originally posted by SuicideVirus
JAssuming that design gets cleaner as technology advances, and that the same thing would happen in an "alien" culture, I would expect a highly advanced machine to have a very clean design, like a perfect sphere, or cube, with no odd parts sticking out of it. Many, many UFO sightings have described smooth shapes -- saucers, tubes, spheres -- with no obvious appendages.

I feel compelled to refer you (and everyone else here) to this thread I made last night, that noone has responded to yet. I think it might provide some insight as to the comment you made. I also invite people to please participate in this thread. Here is the link:
Alien abductions, the human soul, and its limit on human technology

[edit on 7/26/2007 by pjslug]

Originally posted by agent violet
So assuming that the LAP is indeed an external device and not an internal mechanism of A1(the antigrav generator), one would wonder what are the measurements of the "small device". Isaac says S1 is small, so is the LAP a 'scale sized' picture? or is it smaller? hm.....

I would say that all of this alien technology is extremely small. The anti-grav generator is a 5 lb. engine that can propel a ship at who knows what speed, and who knows how far away!! Could you imagine having something so small that does so much?

Originally posted by pjslug

Originally posted by SuicideVirus
JAssuming that design gets cleaner as technology advances, and that the same thing would happen in an "alien" culture, I would expect a highly advanced machine to have a very clean design, like a perfect sphere, or cube, with no odd parts sticking out of it. Many, many UFO sightings have described smooth shapes -- saucers, tubes, spheres -- with no obvious appendages.

I thought I responded to this, maybe not. I'm wondering if the "drones" are human adaptations of bits of salvaged alien wreckage? I mean, we see in the CARET documents these rings that bear a striking resemblance to structures within the drones. Let's just get a little crazy and ramble about it a bit: what if this ring structure was most of the propulsion unit for the entire alien craft (like Roswell, for instance). Our scientists take a look at the atomic matrix within the rings and realize that they have *NO* way to duplicate it, no matter what they try. So, they make the closest approximation that they can and after an enormous amount of tinkering, they get it to "lift" a little bit. Eventually they get it able to lift, say, something like 10 lbs and they build a very lightweight structure to surround the "engine", complete with directional controls. These end up being our various "drones".

This would explain why the drones have a "human-built" quality to them and would explain why the CARET documents show the bits they do in the inventory review, as those are the undamaged components that they salvaged.

I've asked a certain question 3 times before without a comment, I'll ask again (this is my 4th)....why, if the "parts" we see in the PACL photos are black with white lettering, do the illustrations of the Primer appear black on white? Any guesses? What are the diagrams of? Were they retrieved from a "book" or are they an aspect of the ship? Are they controls? If so, why aren't we looking at photos?

Originally posted by klatunictobarata
Sorry, folks, but my head hurts from this Mandelbrot set called an ATS thread. I tried to keep reading, to participate, but I just can't go on . . . pity.

Look, there's only so many times you can play this "no one will play with me" game. If you have something relevant to say, say it. Jump in, repeatedly.

No one has completed a logical probability matrix for this potential earthshattering discovery. And no one has even started a CSI-type of analysis strategy or used basic investigative theory. In terms of data and evidence analysis, has anyone organized a study that begins with the simple and obvious, and works its way to the complex?

So what's stopping you? If you see something that needs to be done, don't sit there whining about it, do it. I read your "CSI" post the first time around but you've got to be a lot more disciplined than that....that was just one assumption after another. Get serious and build a (real) probability matrix for this and bring it back here. I'd love to see something like this done if you think you're up to it. Just forget about the drones for the time being and concentrate on the CARET documents. You've gotten the link and downloaded everything, right? Go to it.