Video: Muslims Against Jihad

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
.or the possiblity of an radical islamic outcry, similiar to that witnessed after the danish cartoon.

I doubt the radicals as you put it would rebel in this case. Think about it, All they would be doing is making themselves out to be fools.



[edit on 6/26/2007 by shots]

Squabbling over the title is just a method to deflect attention from the true meaning of the film.

At least some Muslims are waking up and discovering what's really going on.

Apparently Google deleted that video.

Here's the same thing someone else broke up and put on YouTube











[edit on 6/26/2007 by djohnsto77]

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Squabbling over the title is just a method to deflect attention from the true meaning of the film.

which part that there are american muslims out there that accept Jihad as a means of war? when in the Quran it stricly says inner struggle and the rest mentioned.

i am one of those muslims who doesnt like the fanatics but i would never go as far as saying i am against Jihad since i practice this every day, when i go to college and work to get my asisgnments done to good standerds, when i try to better my self. that is JIHAD.

the films attentions are good but what they are saying is twisted and shows they have no understanding of most the things in islam

Originally posted by djohnsto77
At least some Muslims are waking up and discovering what's really going on.

whats everything that Fox news says is true
please i woke up years ago when i started reading about how these fanatics came into our lives and why. if you know me or met me
you would know i condem these people but i also condem the acts of the US for helping in molding and creating them

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Apparently Google deleted that video.

My first thought was wow google is censoring. But after giving it some second thaought I tend to think it was due to copyright issues, the video was a whole news cast as carried on fOX.

Originally posted by bodrul
.....but i also condem the acts of the US for helping in molding and creating them

Oh no you don't, bodrul!
You, or anyone else for that matter, are not going to simply lay this problem at the feet of the US!! Better yet, before you even breath the United States as being solely at fault, you had better add your beloved little nation of England then you had better add nearly every major nation in Western Europe, comprende? If Western Europe had simply left the entire Middle East alone---check your local history book, k?--we would not be in the mess we are today with militant Islam.

As for Souljah, apparently he does not comprehend the notion of Islam vs Islamists...

[edit on 28-6-2007 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by Seekerof
As for Souljah, apparently he does not comprehend the notion of Islam vs Islamists...

And apparently two or three other members and myself are the only ones, who really understand that the title of this documentary is misleading and designed to further demonize Islam as a religion of fanatics and terrorists - when in fact is the the WEST that created militant and radical Islam with their occupation of Middle East for centuries. That is the legacy of European Imperialism - mostly former British Empire. Yet the problem here is, that the men who really pull the strings - those we do not see - the men behind the curtain always remain the same and for centuries they have manipulated the entire world through international bank cartels, which ALWAYS funded both sides in a certain conflict. The same was in WWI, WWII, Vietnam war and today - War on Terror. Only the names have been changed, but the same people pull the strings.

Originally posted by Seekerof
Oh no you don't, bodrul!
You, or anyone else for that matter, are not going to simply lay this problem at the feet of the US!! Better yet, before you even breath the United States as being solely at fault, you had better add your beloved little nation of England then you had better add nearly every major nation in Western Europe, comprende? If Western Europe had simply left the entire Middle East alone---check your local history book, k?--we would not be in the mess we are today with militant Islam.

yea

how many has the US created in the past few years in afganistan and Iraq
i blame your country for that, i dont blame the US for all the terrorists but it has had hand in creating them and you cant deny that.

your country wouldnt be in this mess if it hadnt (with other countries) funded these fanatics to fight its proxy wars.

tip do your history

almost all the terrorists that have struck the US have links back to your country.

if your country had known the boundries before arming and supplying groups it wouldnt be in this place.

[edit on 28-6-2007 by bodrul]

Originally posted by bodrul
almost all the terrorists that have struck the US have links back to your country.

Well and let us not forget to mention, that SOME of them are STILL ALIVE even after crashing airplanes into buildings.

Were Muslims reacting to aggression when they initially overran Jerusalem, an act that provoked the 1st Crusade in response?
No! It was an aggressive act perpetrated by followers of a brutal religion.

Christianity and the Western world have been responsible for some horrendous acts which have only helped fuel the advancement of the Islamic religion. This would not have been possible unless Muslims were not so receptive. Followers of Islam HAVE to, by the strict instructions of Jihad actively seek to convert the world to the Islamic religion, by whatever means seen fit, including by force.
The imposition of Sharia Law is also a stated aim of Jihad.

Muslims are not allowed to integrate as they belive non-believers, Kaffirs, are inferior.

Since it's inception, Islam has spread by the sword, by it's very nature and beliefs, it always will.

Freeborn do some research

1. Its against Islamic Law to convert someone by force and i and many others have posted in some many islamic and islamophobic topics its becoming a joke

(read up on my past topics and replies)

2. read up on the crusades and muslims controling jerusulam all
people of all faiths were free to worship their faiths without procicution

before jumping and claiming islam is barberic do some research

[edit on 28-6-2007 by bodrul]

The Islamic faith is barbaric and condones barbaric practices, (honour killings etc).

The Islamic faith has spread by the use of the sword.

There have been times in the past when some Muslims were considered the most enlightened and tolerant people of their time.

Since then ,imo, for various reasons, Islam has regressed.

I assure you, I have done my research, it's just that I have a different take on history and current affairs than you do.
Why is it that every time a different opinion is viewed, accusations of ignorance follow? It is quite predictable and typical and I would have thought that people visiting this site would know a little better.

Originally posted by Souljah
Well and let us not forget to mention, that SOME of them are STILL ALIVE even after crashing airplanes into buildings.

Since you did not use the term "are alleged to be alive", I am calling you out Souljah put your money where your mouth is. I want you to prove beyond any doubt they are actually alive. Please start an alternate thread though as that would be OT for this one Thank you.

I think the author was correct in assuming a few want to distract others from the true topic here so lets stay on it.


Face it the moderates are finally coming out and speaking against radical islam. Just because you and others refuse to admit it is not anyones problem but yours and theirs.

Originally posted by shots
Since you did not use the term "are alleged to be alive", I am calling you out Souljah put your money where your mouth is. I want you to prove beyond any doubt they are actually alive. Please start an alternate thread though as that would be OT for this one Thank you.

And why exactly should I do that? So that an army of "debunkers" shall arrive and start "debunking" each and every letter I write? For me EVERYTHING about 911 is weird and suspecious and this is just one part of it. And even if I would have proven that, I think that You and fellow members who share your viewpoint - that 911 attacks were orchestrated by a group of jihadists, who flew airplanes in various targets in America, led by Osama B. Laden - shall never belive that anyway; since that would mean, that elements within your OWN government have attacked YOUR people. And that is a scary thought, yes? I have seen at least a dozen documentaries on the topic of 911 and frankly, I have no doubt at all, that it was an inside job. I think that people like you should slowly start waking up, because the later you shall, the harder it will be.

I think the author was correct in assuming a few want to distract others from the true topic here so lets stay on it.

I am not distracting - just spreading the debate. But if you think I am distracting, then I appologize.

Face it the moderates are finally coming out and speaking against radical islam. Just because you and others refuse to admit it is not anyones problem but yours and theirs.

Radical Islam today is a creation of the West. Yes it was present before, but the things which are happening in Middle East for over 100 of years have influenced this part of the world in this way we see today. And the title of this documentary is actually helping those radicals to gain more numbers - since the very title is disrespectful to Islamic religion. That is all I wanted to say in the first place, but none of you people want to admit that is true. And that is YOUR problem.

Originally posted by Freeborn
The Islamic faith is barbaric and condones barbaric practices, (honour killings etc).

please show a source where it says Islam condones honour killings?
since no where in the Quran does it show such thing

Originally posted by Freeborn
The Islamic faith has spread by the use of the sword.

Wrong look at history of islam (i will post you a whole reply just for this when i get home)

Originally posted by Freeborn
There have been times in the past when some Muslims were considered the most enlightened and tolerant people of their time.

Blame the arabs
greedy basterds, corruption and greed

they have taken the teachings and just spat at it

Originally posted by Freeborn

I assure you, I have done my research, it's just that I have a different take on history and current affairs than you do.
Why is it that every time a different opinion is viewed, accusations of ignorance follow? It is quite predictable and typical and I would have thought that people visiting this site would know a little better.

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Originally posted by bodrul
Converting others to islam and None muslims

source 1
In Islamic teachings, a Muslim is not allowed to force others to convert. "Let there be no compulsion in religion...." (Al-Islam - Al-Baqarah: 256)

"Jihad is not a war to force the faith on others, as many people think of it. It should never be interpreted as a way of compulsion of the belief on others, since there is an explicit verse in the Qur'an that says: 'There is no compulsion in religion' Al-Qur'an: Al-Baqarah (2:256)." ( Islamic Server of MSA-USC)

Instead, a Muslim must be respectful of other religions. By extension, an Islamic government is not allowed to compel anyone to be a Muslim.

Source 2
409. One should not forget the great practical importance attached to the fact that Muslims obey their system of law as something of Divine origin, and not merely the will of the majority of the leaders of the country. In this latter case, the minority enters on a struggle so that its own conceptions may prevail. In the democracies of our time, not only do the majorities often change from election to election but are also constituted or disintegrated by all sorts of commutations and combinations, and the party in power tries to upset the policy pursued by its predecessors, causing, among other changes, the modification of laws. Without entering here into the question of the adaptability of Islamic laws to the exigencies of social evolution, one might deem it as an incontestable truth that there is greater stability in the Muslim law - due to the Divine origin - than in any other secular legislation of the world with the following result :

410. The Islamic law ordains justice to, and observation of certain rules regarding the non-Muslims. These therefore feel no apprehension in the face of political quarrels and parliamentary elections of the country of their residence, with regard to the Islamic laws in force. The ruler or parliament cannot modify them.

Originally posted by Freeborn
I thought that people visiting this site would know a little better.

we do, thats why its called Deny Ignorance

Look, I have been a critic of Islam. However, some of you seem to disregard what anyone who actually practices the religion has to say. I personally think that is wrong. While I don't sloth my preconceptions aside just because someone tells me it's not the way I think it is, I don't totally disregard what he/she is saying.

Look, I don't know how many of you are Christians that keep bashing Islam, but I know for a fact that Christians have a tendency to criticize belief systems without really known anything about them. It's always, "Well, my pastor says, blah,blah, blah." Christians have a tendency to do that towards all of the other religions of the world and different belief systems. Personally, I think unless you have studied a belief system for yourself, you really can't say much about that belief system.



[edit on 28-6-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by bodrul


please show a source where it says Islam condones honour killings?
since no where in the Quran does it show such thing

The Qur'an makes provisions for honor killing based on the Prophet Mohamed’s experiences with his wife Aisha in AL-NOOR‎. It is true that according to the Qur'an women may be stoned for Zina (adultery), but they must be judged in a court on the basis of the testimony of four men, and the sentence is not executed by family members.

Source

Sorry I do not have the passage book or verse, but that is the claim of the soucre. If you have a problem with it you might consider revising it to read as you like, but I am almost positive the original author will protest your changes

Originally posted by shots
Sorry I do not have the passage book or verse, but that is the claim of the soucre. If you have a problem with it you might consider revising it to read as you like, but I am almost positive the original author will protest your changes

most of those are from hadiq
which should never be followed as they aer stories told through generations and written down which have nothing to do with the Quran

Originally posted by bodrul
most of those are from hadiq
which should never be followed as they aer stories told through generations and written down which have nothing to do with the Quran

Huh what you talking about? The source clearly says the qu'ran makes provisions for honor killings.

Now you really are making me laugh when you say they never should be followed because recent evidence clearly shows many are following the long tradition of honor kills or haven't you been reading the media accounts? Denial will get you know nowhere they are going as we speak.

Qur'an:2:216 : "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not." [Another translation reads:] "Warfare is ordained for you."

Qur'an:4:95 : "Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward."

The Hadiths most certainly are followed. The Hadith is commonly taught in Islamic culture as a part of Islamic theology.